Mighty Wolfgang Should Cost More Weapon Durability

[Mike23Ua]

I think that when Wigfrid gets her skill tree we are going to find out that she is not just a want to be stage performance actress- but rather a true blood born Valkyrie, which is why both Music and Combat would appeal to her. She’s drawn to it because it’s in her nature, it’s also why when she played a movie role of a Valkyrie that she gave her best performance EVER and was never able to replicate that success.

I was VERY Disappointed with Wigfrids Rework, but the Skill Tree gives me hope they’ll make her what she should’ve been.

[Dragonboooorn]

6 minutes ago, goatt said:

As a skillful fighter, the starting item shouldn't be dumbbell, but spears and helms.

what is even this statement? If Im a good chess player, I should always carry chessboard with me all the time or make my life all about chess? You can have skills in x theme, but that doesnt mean you are into x theme that much, or you always carry a spear with you cuz youre a warrior or somth. You earn skills through all your life experience, and sometimes you simply wont need to use these skill to the very end of ones life. 

5 minutes ago, goatt said:

If Wolfgang is truely a skill fighter, he should have weapon efficiency perk in all 3 forms. And a small increase in damage multiplier in all 3 forms, right? You can lose strength, but you can't lose skill, I imagine.

Klei sucks at balancing. They gave him coach mechanic out of nowhere without any context instead. Wilson skill tree is a joke, if we are talking about perks based on lore. 

[goatt]

1 minute ago, Dragonboooorn said:

what is even this statement? If Im a good chess player, I should always carry chessboard with me all the time or make my life all about chess?

I'm talking about the game convention. Warly has pots, Maxwell has cobra, Willow has lighter and bear.

Not real life.

[Dragonboooorn]

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I think that when Wigfrid gets her skill tree we are going to find out that she is not just a want to be stage performance actress- but rather a true blood born Valkyrie, which is why both Music and Combat would appeal to her. She’s drawn to it because it’s in her nature, it’s also why when she played a movie role of a Valkyrie that she gave her best performance EVER and was never able to replicate that success.

I was VERY Disappointed with Wigfrids Rework, but the Skill Tree gives me hope they’ll make her what she should’ve been.

If that is true, Klei should have gave us a hint. Or give one in her future perk tree and animated short. For now, objectively speaking, she is an actress going insane over cosplaying old times Valkyre role.

Wolfgang is in other hand, is a giant musculine man with a military past. idk how people can choose Wigfrid as "one true warrior/combat character"  over Wolfgang at this state of time.

7 minutes ago, goatt said:

I'm talking about the game convention. Warly has pots, Maxwell has cobra, Willow has lighter and bear.

Its partly explained why x character have x items in their inventory upon arriving in The Constant.

Willow always carry her lighter and Bearnie, Winona have duct tapes because she probably had these in her pocket while she was fixing Wagstaff (?) portal door during her short and so on.

Wigfrid have her trusty spear and helm cuz she was taken to the Constant already having them. idk  where she got 4 meats tho 

[goatt]

7 minutes ago, Dragonboooorn said:

idk how people can choose Wigfrid as "one true warrior/combat character"  over Wolfgang at this state of time.

Wolfgang is a combat character. No one denies that. We also need to admit Wolfgang's combat power comes from strength and strength training, not natural combat skill or weapon mastery.

[Dragonboooorn]

37 minutes ago, goatt said:

As a skillful fighter, the starting item shouldn't be dumbbell, but spears and helms.

You CAN be a skillful fighter but that doesnt MEAN you want to be one, or seen as one.

Wigfrid isnt a skillful fighter either, and she doesnt want to be one. She wants to be the best valkyre actress, to this day she believes its all a stage, and she acts like she at one.

 

6 minutes ago, goatt said:

not natural combat skill or weapon mastery.

but he have them? From his past army life? 

At least hes CONFIRMED to be actually TRAINED at some point during his time in military.

Wigfrid is, indeed, took her role too literally. She INSPIRES other survivors like she INSPIRED herself to be #1 actress. 

She fights better trough sheer force of will believing she is a valkyre, while not technicly being one. 

[goatt]

@Dragonboooorn I want to remind you that the lore is just an addition to in-game mechanics. In-game mechanics are more solid sort of lore. In the game, it's undeniable that Wig master weapons better. There are many things about Wigfrid in her backstory which can be interpreted in different ways. But Wig is a good warrior, no doubt. If you don't like that or think that's too much contradiction, you should suggest wig be nerfed to reflect her actress nature.

[Dragonboooorn]

3 minutes ago, goatt said:

@Dragonboooorn I want to remind you that the lore is just an addition to in-game mechanics. In-game mechanics are more solid sort of lore. In the game, it's undeniable that Wig master weapons better. There are many things about Wigfrid in her backstory which can be interpreted in different ways. But Wig is a good warrior, no doubt. If you don't like that or think that's too much contradiction, you should suggest wig be nerfed to reflect her actress nature.

Lore isnt just an addition. Wigfrids entire refresh based or her actress persona, thus the addition of her songs.

As for Wigfrid being "Master of Weapons, good warrior, etc" - I have already said my opinion about her in my previous comments.

"you should suggest wig to be nerfed to reflect her actress nature" - Here is the thing - I dont care for Wigfrid. I dont play her, and I think, I should leave ideas regarding her buff/nerfs/additions to the people who actually play and care for her. I dont.

But Wolfgang? I do care about that tender bear-of-a-man. And hes in more or less right spot for me, gameplay wise. Ive said why in my opinion Wolfgang is good rn and shouldnt be nerfed.

[Memetan]

[Dragonboooorn]

5 minutes ago, Memetan said:

nuh uh

[goatt]

1 hour ago, Dragonboooorn said:

Wigfrids entire refresh based or her actress persona, thus the addition of her songs.

I am re-emphasize on the same point, that is, she still have better damage and better protection, which is contradictory to the purely actress persona and your idea that she's not a real warrior. You seem to have been avoidant on addressing this point.

I'm not actually asking you to suggest a wigfrid nerf. I meant that, in order to make your idea consistent, you should want to suggest such a nerf. That was my attempt to force you to address the said avoided point.

In other words, if you think lore is more important assuming you are correct, you should ask the game to change its mechanics to fit the lore.

1 hour ago, Dragonboooorn said:

But Wolfgang? I do care about that tender bear-of-a-man. And hes in more or less right spot for me, gameplay wise. Ive said why in my opinion Wolfgang is good rn and shouldnt be nerfed.

That's a completely different topic. I agree he's at a sweet spot right now. But it doesn't change the fact that my point is valid.

[Baark0]

6 hours ago, Mike23Ua said:

I dunno, I mean using less resources AND finishing tasks faster are some pretty big bonuses, pair that beside Klei removing his speed boost and giving him a bunch of other perks to make up for removing this speed boost only to Reinstate this speed boost (but not revert or lessen the things that was changed because of its removal) makes Wolfgang sound like a preeetttyyy busted and OP Character.

And that’s coming from a WENDY Main.

Ah yes Wolfgang who can kill things faster and harvest things moderately faster than average characters yet still slower than Maxwell, and that's just one of this perks, his damage actually rivals Wolfgang, only costs nm fuel, can be done from the safety of a beefalo, not to mention the fact he's essentially 2 characters in one thanks to reading Wicker's books.

But yeah Wolfgang is reaaaaaaally good. Way better than Wendy for sure. "Hey, I don't play this character, but I want him nerfed because I need to feel like the game's balanced". 

[goatt]

13 minutes ago, Baark0 said:

Hey, I don't play this character, but I want him nerfed because I need to feel like the game's balanced

The line came up very frequently recently. While it's emotionally strong, it's a very weak point. Because

1. you (not you) did not confirm whether this person have played this character. It's the same mistake when player criticize the game they didn't play, you criticize somebody without knowing if this person have done that mistake.

2. The strength of an argument is not necessarily dependent on whether this person has played the game. Sometimes, outsiders have clearer birdview of bigger picture than the person inside. Not to mention, some gaming experts can produce insight from experience in other games or other characters in the same game.

3. Wanting the game to be nicely balanced shouldn't be laughed at. Overdoing balancing should be.

This line of argument is a bad one said in a rather righteous way, in my opinion.

[Antynomity]

This would have been a cool downside if the character was more designed around it, it's way too late to introduce it right now, Wolfgang is fine as he is, no really, he really is fine, a bit boring yes but he's fine, no need for nerfs.

[ALCRD]

*sigh*

[Fufuji]

Creative approach. I like it!

[BobbyD55]

I mean, I have used Wolfgang a lot and to achieve more damage you must enter max mightyness. Yes, you get increased damage, but it isn't without its downsides.
However, for well-prepared players these downsides are laughable, but it is when you are not prepared is when they can really hurt you. I have died countless times from changing forms while being chased by hordes of mobs in the ruins. 

If they were to implement this idea you have proposed, honestly, it wouldn't really change much. Ham-bats are available, and it is not as if farming shadow swords is the hardest thing to do for experienced players. What this change would really do is just make players put even more resources into Wolfgang than they already do.
 

[Master_NiX]

8 hours ago, Dragonboooorn said:

I kinda dont understand this logic.

I am talking about the mechanic that is already in the game, but only for tools. He HITS harder, which is why he gets it's done faster. He is no Lumberjack, he has no idea how to use axe efficiently but he is a mighty person, so if he Hits things harder, they will go down faster even if the tool wears down faster.

However, I had no idea he had military training, so that might be a counterargument for why his knowledge of WEAPONS is superior to tools.

[Jakepeng99]

15 hours ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

No, ty!

Wolf's ok. No more caca suggestions on him pls. Great.

He would still be just as great, he really doesn't need extreme efficency in combat. When you want damage, you skill go Wolfgang. This makes the difference between Wolfgang and no Wolfgang in combat reasonable rather than him making all fights in the game 2x more efficent and 2x more fast. Wigfrid is meant to be the efficent fighter.

13 hours ago, Dragonboooorn said:

literally how is she diffrent? downside for the sake of downside, but hey, dont nerf similiar x character because I actually play them and dont want them to be nerfed 

You know, even if he used 50% more durability, he would still be much more efficent with double damage. It is not a downside.

[MondayNight]

7 hours ago, Jakepeng99 said:

He would still be just as great, he really doesn't need extreme efficency in combat. When you want damage, you skill go Wolfgang. This makes the difference between Wolfgang and no Wolfgang in combat reasonable rather than him making all fights in the game 2x more efficent and 2x more fast. Wigfrid is meant to be the efficent fighter.

No he wouldn't be; just a materials squanderer shunned in pubs on same premise as for his past binge-eating shenanigan. And that's not "extreme efficiency", just efficiency. Good combat character. Wigfrid is a cosplayer magically morphed into "Valkyrie" as lore goes. She is indeed mechanically good for bulk player-base on sole premise of "tank&spank" bulk people always dab into.

But ok. Let's say we go with squanderer route (deja-vu) with a caveat: he also gains a 5-10% of 1000 dmg critical hit. Fair bons and cons for THE figher character. Good "snap, electric feel"

[Cheggf]

You can always not play as Wolfgang if you don't like him. 

[Jakepeng99]

2 hours ago, MostMerryTomcat said:

No he wouldn't be; just a materials squanderer shunned in pubs on same premise as for his past binge-eating shenanigan. And that's not "extreme efficiency", just efficiency. Good combat character. Wigfrid is a cosplayer magically morphed into "Valkyrie" as lore goes. She is indeed mechanically good for bulk player-base on sole premise of "tank&spank" bulk people always dab into.

But ok. Let's say we go with squanderer route (deja-vu) with a caveat: he also gains a 5-10% of 1000 dmg critical hit. Fair bons and cons for THE figher character. Good "snap, electric feel"

Wolfgang deals double damage, so he ends up needing 2x weapon durability on fights. Make him lose 50% more weapon durability while mighty, Wolfgang is still 50% more efficent at using weapons than every character in the game. I don't get how this makes him a resource drain or if people don't know the math, it is the opposite. 

[Dragonboooorn]

3 hours ago, Cheggf said:

You can always not play as Wolfgang if you don't like him. 

Im afraid this whole post is an anti Wolfgang propaganda made by Wigfrid mains

[MondayNight]

48 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Wolfgang deals double damage, so he ends up needing 2x weapon durability on fights. Make him lose 50% more weapon durability while mighty, Wolfgang is still 50% more efficent at using weapons than every character in the game. I don't get how this makes him a resource drain or if people don't know the math, it is the opposite. 

Or you can.. not do that. Simple & Gucci? Very Gucci!
As stated, Wolfgang's ok where he is now.

[goatt]

59 minutes ago, Dragonboooorn said:

Im afraid this whole post is an anti Wolfgang propaganda made by Wigfrid mains

"I'm afraid" you are wrong, says the op.

If you are calling my post a propaganda, then I'm offended.

There is no misinformation in this post, everything is open to judgement. I did not try to win any political votes among forum members, I only directly address your comments. This post doesn't fit the criteria of a propaganda.

The only reason I mentioned Wigfrid is because it's mentioned by someone else and I needed to comment on it. My arguments focus solely on the main point itself.

If you are calling my post a propaganda, then your comment twisted my good will, and I find it tilting and irritating.