skill tree idea Edited 08-02-2024 Webber skill tree suggestions also Klei I don’t care about credit add or take inspiration from any of my suggestions as you please all I ask is you take them into consideration+Fan ideas welcome(great place to use to make everyone happy)

[Creatingabe1125]

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Maybe we could have them put their spider gland in the homemade done to tell them to it within 90 second revival cool down

I understood the put spider gland part but what do you mean by the part after that?

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I don’t know yet. I was hoping we could figure it out together.

Is it still related to the helm/cowl being on spiders? I ask because I don’t think the skill should make you use a lot of materials that you might not have just for a buff on your spiders.

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It wouldn’t be copying it would just be a similar concept

A very similar concept took from one of Wurt’s special abilities. Though an idea I just came up with for that would be instead of it being a royal quest with Webber as a king, you could instead discover an item that unlocks a recipe if you have the skill which lets you craft something to improve your spiders.

I would still rather have something that’s more original or fits Webber better but I don’t have many ideas rn so I came up with that.

[Dr.Webber]

7 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I understood the put spider gland part but what do you mean by the part after that?

I meant to say “homemade den to tether them to it with a 90 second revival cool down” 

 

10 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Is it still related to the helm/cowl being on spiders? I ask because I don’t think the skill should make you use a lot of materials that you might not have just for a buff on your spiders.

I’d assume, but I haven’t come up with anything yet so I don’t know

 

13 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

A very similar concept took from one of Wurt’s special abilities. Though an idea I just came up with for that would be instead of it being a royal quest with Webber as a king, you could instead discover an item that unlocks a recipe if you have the skill which lets you craft something to improve your spiders.

I don’t know. Tell me more about it.

[Dr.Webber]

Do you think I should redesign the itsy-bitsy nest

[Creatingabe1125]

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I meant to say “homemade den to tether them to it with a 90 second revival cool down” 

The spiders put their own spider glands in the den? What change would happen to the spider gameplay wise?

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I’d assume, but I haven’t come up with anything yet so I don’t know

Oh ok.

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I don’t know. Tell me more about it.

It could also be for examining a mob or structure. I don’t have a specific example but the ability would be based on the thing and what it does or what something else related to the thing does.

12 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Do you think I should redesign the itsy-bitsy nest

Do you mean redesign how it looks or what it does?

[Dr.Webber]

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The spiders put their own spider glands in the den? What change would happen to the spider gameplay wise?

We could make it so they don’t drops by the glands, but you could remove their spider gland from the homemade den if you wanna remove that spider from the revival system or just wants to easily get some glands

We could also make them regrow them eventually since spider is some normal dens drop glands but if you look at the spider egg craft, you can see they have glands and tethering them to that den

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

It could also be for examining a mob or structure. I don’t have a specific example but the ability would be based on the thing and what it does or what something else related to the thing does

When you come up with some examples, let me know because I’m not sure, but this could be something

 

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Do you mean redesign how it looks or what it does?

Looks

[Creatingabe1125]

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

When you come up with some examples, let me know because I’m not sure, but this could be something

 

Okay.

21 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

We could make it so they don’t drops by the glands, but you could remove their spider gland from the homemade den if you wanna remove that spider from the revival system or just wants to easily get some glands

We could also make them regrow them eventually since spider is some normal dens drop glands but if you look at the spider egg craft, you can see they have glands and tethering them to that den

The spider gland idea doesn’t seem linked to revival and it sounds like it’s free to revive spiders. Could you explain how the spider gland would revive the spider and maybe add another cost to revive spiders with that idea?

22 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Looks

Are you thinking about adding flowers like before or something else?

[Dr.Webber]

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The spider gland idea doesn’t seem linked to revival and it sounds like it’s free to revive spiders. Could you explain how the spider gland would revive the spider and maybe add another cost to revive spiders with that idea?

We’ll have you noticed that all structures you craft that mobs can respawn from have some peace of that mob or something important to that mob in its craft 

this pattern of crafting is shown in the craft for spider eggs, in the fact you use spider glands in the craft

9 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Are you thinking about adding flowers like before or something else?

I was thinking of changing it shape and maybe how’s the web positioned in the way that it makes a little heart in the middle

[Creatingabe1125]

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

We’ll have you noticed that all structures you craft that mobs can respawn from have some peace of that mob or something important to that mob in its craft 

this pattern of crafting is shown in the craft for spider eggs, in the fact you use spider glands in the craft

I know that, I was just asking how spider glands would revive the spiders.

1 hour ago, Dr.Webber said:

I was thinking of changing it shape and maybe how’s the web positioned in the way that it makes a little heart in the middle

So there would be a heart in the middle like Webber’s web idle animation or the whole thing is shaped like a heart?

[Dr.Webber]

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So there would be a heart in the middle like Webber’s web idle animation

This one

 

6 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I know that, I was just asking how spider glands would revive the spiders.

Through what ever way the spider glands revive them with in the normal dens

[Creatingabe1125]

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

This one

So it looks the same but there’s a heart in the middle? If that is the case the okay but what if that heart was a hole and how the baby spiders enter and leave?

2 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Through what ever way the spider glands revive them with in the normal dens

I think it spawns a new spider rather than reviving one but either way I still think you should cost something else too if it can revive any type of spider. Also are you still using 10 bone shards for the recipe?

[Dr.Webber]

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I think it spawns a new spider rather than reviving one but either way I still think you should cost something else too if it can revive any type of spider. Also are you still using 10 bone shards for the recipe?

 what if we make the reviving a alignment thing? Unless we’re completely overhauling how it looks and yeah, I’m still using bones shirts  but currently it’s 12 Bone shards

7 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So it looks the same but there’s a heart in the middle? If that is the case the okay but what if that heart was a hole and how the baby spiders enter and leave?

I’m still gonna change the shape it just the shape isn’t going to be a heart. Also sure we can probably make that work.

[Creatingabe1125]

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

what if we make the reviving a alignment thing? Unless we’re completely overhauling how it looks and yeah, I’m still using bones shirts  but currently it’s 12 Bone shards

But then it’s locked behind cc and afw and the perk isn’t even shadow/lunar aligned. Could it be reduced to like 4 or another material as 12 bone shards is kind of hard to get without dying and there would only be enough for 1 or 2 dens.

16 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

I’m still gonna change the shape it just the shape isn’t going to be a heart. Also sure we can probably make that work.

Just to make sure I’m understanding right, there’s a heart in the middle but the shape of the whole nest is also changing? Okay.

[Dr.Webber]

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

But then it’s locked behind cc and afw and the perk isn’t even shadow/lunar aligned. Could it be reduced to like 4 or another material as 12 bone shards is kind of hard to get without dying and there would only be enough for 1 or 2 dens.

Well shadows have been known in the past to revive things and lunar revives hounds perhaps we can use a material from each alignment to sort of corrupt the homemade den tethering the spiders inside to it for reviving 

sure

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Just to make sure I’m understanding right, there’s a heart in the middle but the shape of the whole nest is also changing? Okay.

Ya

Oh by the way do you think I should change salivary sacrifice to him dropping spider glands if he dies with 50%and below sanity

[Creatingabe1125]

22 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Well shadows have been known in the past to revive things and lunar revives hounds perhaps we can use a material from each alignment to sort of corrupt the homemade den tethering the spiders inside to it for reviving 

sure

Yeah but you don’t have to be shadow aligned to use shadow magic for reviving. It would also let players who haven’t defeated the endgame boss be able to use special spiders like nurse more comfortably as they will be revived at the den if they die.

22 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Ya

Oh by the way do you think I should change salivary sacrifice to him dropping spider glands if he dies with 50%and below sanity

Oh okay.

what’s that skill again as I don’t remember?

[Dr.Webber]

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Yeah but you don’t have to be shadow aligned to use shadow magic for reviving. It would also let players who haven’t defeated the endgame boss be able to use special spiders like nurse more comfortably as they will be revived at the den if they die.

Yeah, but never on this scale before and some give an excuse to use the rose vines that saves Winona and fuel Weaver 

Also, although about the more comfortable use, I’m out of ideas here so please give me your ideas if you don’t want it to be an alignment thing

5 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

what’s that skill again as I don’t remember?

• Salivary sacrifice: get three spider glands for 30 HP then you have to wait five days until you can do it again over which you will heal back the 30 health

[Creatingabe1125]

19 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Yeah, but never on this scale before and some give an excuse to use the rose vines that saves Winona and fuel Weaver 

Also, although about the more comfortable use, I’m out of ideas here so please give me your ideas if you don’t want it to be an alignment thing

What do you mean when you say “never on this scale”? Who gives an excuse? But the rose vines represent Charlie and she would probably give the power to revive spiders instead of reviving each of them herself if the shadow alignment skill was about reviving.

I would suggest the life giving amulet if it was being revived at the den. But another idea is that instead of being revived at the den, Webber could have an item that he could use on the spiders he wants to keep. And when they die he could revive them via the item at a later time.

19 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Salivary sacrifice: get three spider glands for 30 HP then you have to wait five days until you can do it again over which you will heal back the 30 health

You could keep it like this but make it so you don’t regenerate the health back, and you get like 1 for 20 health like wormwood but don’t see much need for this skill.

[Dr.Webber]

10 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

What do you mean when you say “never on this scale”? Who gives an excuse? But the rose vines represent Charlie and she would probably give the power to revive spiders instead of reviving each of them herself if the shadow alignment skill was about reviving.

Think about it a structure that is tied to multiple recipients at the same time reviving them all without breaking 

The alignment itself

Yeah, she’d give him the ability to access her power to benefit his spiders

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I would suggest the life giving amulet if it was being revived at the den. But another idea is that instead of being revived at the den, Webber could have an item that he could use on the spiders he wants to keep. And when they die he could revive them via the item at a later time.

Analyzeing how life giving amulets currently work it wouldn’t work for what we’re trying to do

I was thinking of doing something like that with the spider  King buffs associated with specific items

that gives me an idea by the way what if we make the den be made out of silk and bone shards to make the kit  And a purple gem or nightmare fuel, lightning rod or conductor, den decorator set use for the items you need to add to the kit and the revive sort of like how we revived in solo Don’t Starve

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

You could keep it like this but make it so you don’t regenerate the health back, and you get like 1 for 20 health like wormwood but don’t see much need for this skill.

If I’m not keeping it how it currently is, I’m gonna do the sanity thing

[Creatingabe1125]

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Think about it a structure that is tied to multiple recipients at the same time reviving them all without breaking 

The alignment itself

Yeah, she’d give him the ability to access her power to benefit his spiders

I mean there could be durability/uses and cooldowns.

I don’t understand how the “alignment” would give an excuse for Charlie using her rose vines.

She’d give him shadow power, the rose vines represents Charlie is doing it with Winona having them because she has a close connection to Charlie.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Analyzeing how life giving amulets currently work it wouldn’t work for what we’re trying to do

I was thinking of doing something like that with the spider  King buffs associated with specific items

that gives me an idea by the way what if we make the den be made out of silk and bone shards to make the kit  And a purple gem or nightmare fuel, lightning rod or conductor, den decorator set use for the items you need to add to the kit and the revive sort of like how we revived in solo Don’t Starve

The item doesn’t have to do what it exactly does for the player as long as what it does is the same type of thing the item does or if it’s similar.

oh okay.

You add those extra items to be able to revive the spiders? And could you tell me what revival thing you’re thinking about from solo don’t starve as idk?

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

If I’m not keeping it how it currently is, I’m gonna do the sanity thing

Question, how would this skill help as dying to drop a single spider gland doesn’t seem worth it or helpful?

[Dr.Webber]

59 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

mean there could be durability/uses and cooldowns.

If we were to do uses it would only make sense to do 10 uses which would have it be constant replacing 

 

59 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I don’t understand how the “alignment” would give an excuse for Charlie using her rose vines

it’s a shadow alinements 
 

 

59 minutes ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

She’d give him shadow power, the rose vines represents Charlie is doing it with Winona having them because she has a close connection to Charlie

True but it would make sense if she gave a Webber the ability to dip into a certain aspect of her power especially since he’s saving shadow made mobs half shadow made mob

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

The item doesn’t have to do what it exactly does for the player as long as what it does is the same type of thing the item does or if it’s similar.

It would be one thing if it was a different item that just had a red gem in it things been the same realm works when it has that common thread, but not have to be the same item

 

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

You add those extra items to be able to revive the spiders? And could you tell me what revival thing you’re thinking about from solo don’t starve as idk?

In solo Don’t Starve, how you unlock Webber if you kill spiders for a chance for one of them to drop Webber’s skull can you dig up a grave and place it in then lightning hits the grave a light shines down from the sky. Weber gets up jumps and disappears with six spider spawning as soon as he leaves.

So I was thinking when a spider dies in 90 seconds,lightning will hit the den in ether. The spider comes out of the den like with normal den with spider will crawl out the ground nearby the den.

1 hour ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Question, how would this skill help as dying to drop a single spider gland doesn’t seem worth it or helpful?

He would drop two to three and one of the spider glands dropped will aid in the production of the telltale heart he used to revive him

[Creatingabe1125]

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

If we were to do uses it would only make sense to do 10 uses which would have it be constant replacing 

 

I was thinking 20 and after that you replace it.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

it’s a shadow alinements

And? A shadow alignment would give shadow powers not rose powers.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

True but it would make sense if she gave a Webber the ability to dip into a certain aspect of her power especially since he’s saving shadow made mobs half shadow made mob

Webber using shadow magic makes sense, Webber using rose vines doesn’t make sense as Charlie is not close with Webber.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

It would be one thing if it was a different item that just had a red gem in it things been the same realm works when it has that common thread, but not have to be the same item

So any item with a red gem except the life giving amulet works? That’s what I’m thinking it says but I’m not sure if that’s what you mean as it’s kind of hard to understand.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

In solo Don’t Starve, how you unlock Webber if you kill spiders for a chance for one of them to drop Webber’s skull can you dig up a grave and place it in then lightning hits the grave a light shines down from the sky. Weber gets up jumps and disappears with six spider spawning as soon as he leaves.

So I was thinking when a spider dies in 90 seconds,lightning will hit the den in ether. The spider comes out of the den like with normal den with spider will crawl out the ground nearby the den.

Oh okay.

10 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

He would drop two to three and one of the spider glands dropped will aid in the production of the telltale heart he used to revive him

Oh okay. Though they could probably get a spider gland from another spider instead of using a skill that only gets them 1 of the ingredients for reviving.

 

[Dr.Webber]

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

I was thinking 20 and after that you replace it.

One that still has the same problem and two a life giving amulet break after one use for players healing club only heals Webber for 10th of What it Heals spiders for that’s why I would make it so it only has 10 uses

 

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

And? A shadow alignment would give shadow powers not rose powers.

Rose powers are type of shadow power

 

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Webber using shadow magic makes sense, Webber using rose vines doesn’t make sense as Charlie is not close with Webber.

Fine

 

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

So any item with a red gem except the life giving amulet works? That’s what I’m thinking it says but I’m not sure if that’s what you mean as it’s kind of hard to understand.

It would have to be a new item since no items do what it would do 

 

11 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Oh okay. Though they could probably get a spider gland from another spider instead of using a skill that only gets them 1 of the ingredients for reviving.

 

You can use the other gland(s) for Other things and goes the risk of getting killed by spiders and the annoyance of spark glands being the least common drop they can have it’s more of a well rounded type of skill you know what I mean

[Creatingabe1125]

On 1/30/2025 at 6:58 PM, Dr.Webber said:

One that still has the same problem and two a life giving amulet break after one use for players healing club only heals Webber for 10th of What it Heals spiders for that’s why I would make it so it only has 10 uses

That you’re constantly replacing it? Unless your spiders are always in a fight it should last a few fights if only some spiders die. I assume you’re talking about spider healing goop and okay though I was thinking 20 cause the healing part of the amulet has 20 uses and also 20 uses means more use from a life giving amulet. Though now that I think about it sacrificing a life giving amulet to revive your spiders doesn’t seem too worth it as it’s better off being used for you and you could always use switcher doodles which might be easier to get than a red gem.

On 1/30/2025 at 6:58 PM, Dr.Webber said:

Rose powers are type of shadow power

 

Probably though it’s more of Charlie’s magic than shadow alignment magic.

On 1/30/2025 at 6:58 PM, Dr.Webber said:

It would have to be a new item since no items do what it would do 

 

If they were to make a new item for spider reviving they would probably just make it directly revive spiders instead of making it a den item.

On 1/30/2025 at 6:58 PM, Dr.Webber said:

You can use the other gland(s) for Other things and goes the risk of getting killed by spiders and the annoyance of spark glands being the least common drop they can have it’s more of a well rounded type of skill you know what I mean

Though revival is expensive with even a telltale heart costing health and reducing max health. And I think it would be better to kill a few spiders instead of having to die and revive with less max health or using more expensive revival methods.

[Dr.Webber]

13 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Though revival is expensive with even a telltale heart costing health and reducing max health. And I think it would be better to kill a few spiders instead of having to die and revive with less max health or using more expensive revival methods.

Although it could be used to farm spider glands. It’s meant to be extra in case you so you’re less of a burden on your team

13 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

That you’re constantly replacing it? Unless your spiders are always in a fight it should last a few fights if only some spiders die. I assume you’re talking about spider healing goop and okay though I was thinking 20 cause the healing part of the amulet has 20 uses and also 20 uses means more use from a life giving amulet. Though now that I think about it sacrificing a life giving amulet to revive your spiders doesn’t seem too worth it as it’s better off being used for you and you could always use switcher doodles which might be easier to get than a red gem.

Probably though it’s more of Charlie’s magic than shadow alignment magic.

If they were to make a new item for spider reviving they would probably just make it directly revive spiders instead of making it a den item.

 

What about the new den recipe I thought of any opinions on that

[Creatingabe1125]

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

Although it could be used to farm spider glands. It’s meant to be extra in case you so you’re less of a burden on your team

Well if your playing Webber chances are you’d have some spider glands already so it’s not an effective way to farm spider glands nor is it really needed.

6 hours ago, Dr.Webber said:

What about the new den recipe I thought of any opinions on that

In my opinion it sounds a bit like mad science/magic and doesn’t seem something like Webber would make atleast how I’m visualizing it. But gameplay wise it could work though I would change the recipe a bit along bit along with a visual design that’s like a spider house or atleast more comfortable.

[Dr.Webber]

15 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

Well if your playing Webber chances are you’d have some spider glands already so it’s not an effective way to farm spider glands nor is it really needed.

It’s not meant to be used for farming and not every Webber main does spider war and most of the things we put are needed, but they are useful and so is this

 

15 hours ago, Creatingabe1125 said:

In my opinion it sounds a bit like mad science/magic and doesn’t seem something like Webber would make atleast how I’m visualizing it. But gameplay wise it could work though I would change the recipe a bit along bit along with a visual design that’s like a spider house or atleast more comfortable.

How are you visualizing it and What changes would you make to the recipe?