Ohan Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 At this point it feels like Klei has forgotten they made Wormwood fall down from the moon. Why is he being sidelined in lunar content? Max and Wanda r related to shadowy stuff so whenever new shadow gear gets introduced they keep getting new buffs but lunar content patch after lunar content patch Wormwood gets completely ignored. The idea of a lunar related playable survivor is so interesting because everything about lunar content/aesthetics is so cool so why is this opportunity not being taken? Wormwood’s lunar roots need to be fleshed out or retcon his origin story at this point and introduce an actual lunar related survivor. That would be a lot less disappointing than seeing Wormwood being completely ignored time and time again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 9 minutes ago, Ohan said: At this point it feels like Klei has forgotten they made Wormwood fall down from the moon. Why is he being sidelined in lunar content? Max and Wanda r related to shadowy stuff so whenever new shadow gear gets introduced they keep getting new buffs but lunar content patch after lunar content patch Wormwood gets completely ignored. The idea of a lunar related playable survivor is so interesting because everything about lunar content/aesthetics is so cool so why is this opportunity not being taken? Wormwood’s lunar roots need to be fleshed out or retcon his origin story at this point and introduce an actual lunar related survivor. That would be a lot less disappointing than seeing Wormwood being completely ignored time and time again. You do realise we are only on the second update of 3 right? And no character (except wilson) is able to pick the lunar or the shadow side yet. I suspect the side pick lunar and shadow stuff is coming next probably Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 1 minute ago, gamehun20 said: You do realise we are only on the second update of 3 right? Um do you realise lunar content has been steadily added to the game for years before the rift arc? Lunar Island, grotto, archives, the three alters ring a bell? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Just now, Ohan said: Um do you realise lunar content has been steadily added to the game for years before the rift arc? Lunar Island, grotto, archives, the three alters ring a bell? Um but now the rift has been added does that ring a bell? and um you do realise that even with the lunar island and the rest there hasn't been much to lunar stuff only now has it been expanded on a bit so obviously wormwood has nothing to actually do with lunar stuff because there was basically no lunar stuff to begin with just the idea that power of the island mutates things and a few glass recipes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 he could use the "lunar_aligned" tag yeah. That would make him immune to Grazers at least Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 1 minute ago, gamehun20 said: obviously wormwood has nothing to actually do with lunar stuff because there was basically no lunar stuff to begin with Pre rift lunar content does not amount to ‘basically nothing’ lol. If u think there were no opportunities to expand upon Wormwood’s lunar roots since the inception of lunar content with the addition of lunar island you lack imagination and im assuming werent there when people put forth suggestions for this on the forums. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 18 minutes ago, Ohan said: you lack imagination like you suggested anything Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_zwb Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, gamehun20 said: like you suggested anything 1 hour ago, Ohan said: you lack imagination and im assuming werent there when people put forth suggestions for this on the forums. Could you please stay on topic and stop attacking each other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theukon-dos Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I feel like there would be a few characters that benefit from lunar-perks, and not just whatever the alignment system ends up being. As you said, Wormwood is the obvious one, being from the moon and all. Though I'm not sure what he could get other than "Isn't attacked by brightshades unless shadow-aligned". Maybe there could be new plants on the moon that he could befriend? Or perhaps a high-tier item that lets him toggle bloom state at the cost of enlightment. WX also feels like they got the short end of the stick. They love the moon. Way more than anything in the mainland. So why then do they not get a single lunar circuit? It's racism against robots, I tell you. And I've talked about this before. But I feel like Walter would really benefit from his best rounds being moonglass based for a variety of reasons. >It would fix his ammo economy, not only is Moonglass suuuuper easy to farm compared to Thulecite fragments and especially marble, but the opportunity cost would also be low sense the only things you'd be "missing out" on are glass cutters and axes >Guiding players towards Lunar fits Walter's role as a "noob character" role better than pushing them towards the Ruins. >Natural synergy with Walter's existing perks; sense Woby makes him great at moving the alter pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helord Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Brightshade growing out of wormwood's head? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, Helord said: Brightshade growing out of wormwood's head? That would be a interesting concept if he goes to the lunar side but as far as we know there isn't a gesalt piloting him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Habakkuk Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 6 hours ago, Ohan said: At this point it feels like Klei has forgotten they made Wormwood fall down from the moon. Why is he being sidelined in lunar content? Max and Wanda r related to shadowy stuff so whenever new shadow gear gets introduced they keep getting new buffs but lunar content patch after lunar content patch Wormwood gets completely ignored. The idea of a lunar related playable survivor is so interesting because everything about lunar content/aesthetics is so cool so why is this opportunity not being taken? Wormwood’s lunar roots need to be fleshed out or retcon his origin story at this point and introduce an actual lunar related survivor. That would be a lot less disappointing than seeing Wormwood being completely ignored time and time again. He could be able to craft lunar stuff in the Brightsmithy that are exclusive to wormwood. and have planar defense and damage by default. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ0264 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 hours ago, Theukon-dos said: And I've talked about this before. But I feel like Walter would really benefit from his best rounds being moonglass based for a variety of reasons. >It would fix his ammo economy, not only is Moonglass suuuuper easy to farm compared to Thulecite fragments and especially marble, but the opportunity cost would also be low sense the only things you'd be "missing out" on are glass cutters and axes >Guiding players towards Lunar fits Walter's role as a "noob character" role better than pushing them towards the Ruins. Honestly I think Walter is D tier character that needs a refresh (not a "noob character" due to a don't get hit playstyle) - I would get rid of the tree perk and faster cooking to make less "perk soup" character + Buff slingshot the rate of fire is similar to melee + The pine-tree hat give Walter 2 sanity per/min to make it more desirable to wear + nothing can steal from Woby (cave monkey's included) + glass rounds (50 splash damage) + boom rounds (1 red gem) (44 damage + fire damage) + slowdown rounds (1 purple gem) + ice rounds (1 blue gem) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Juanasdf Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Ok but, we don't know if Wormwood fell from the moon or if he was thrown out of it. Two very distinct things. His compendium states: "he came to learn what the moon above had always known: Wormwood the Lonesome does not belong here"... perhaps the moon didn't want him, which would explain his lack of lunar related perks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
webberer Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 lol interesting idea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pedro cc Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 Don't trust Wormwood as he is a parasitic entity that even alter was a afraid of keeping. What we see is the remaining shard of this creature that leaches of plant life to from a body, Wormwood is not one to be trusted he is just another one of them. Another point that proves this as an axyom is the fact that Wormwood is not friend shaped, he is evil shaped just look at how much he mirrors another evil survivor seeking for power Wx78. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theukon-dos Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 3 hours ago, JJ0264 said: Honestly I think Walter is D tier character that needs a refresh (not a "noob character" due to a don't get hit playstyle) - I would get rid of the tree perk and faster cooking to make less "perk soup" character + Buff slingshot the rate of fire is similar to melee + The pine-tree hat give Walter 2 sanity per/min to make it more desirable to wear + nothing can steal from Woby (cave monkey's included) + glass rounds (50 splash damage) + boom rounds (1 red gem) (44 damage + fire damage) + slowdown rounds (1 purple gem) + ice rounds (1 blue gem) Hmmm, no. Not D tier. Yes, the hitless thing may make it seem like he'd be bad for noobs, but he does have the slingshot to keep enemies from hitting in the first place, plus being able to easily restore both HP and Sanity with the camper tent. And while yes, the DPS on the Slingshot is low, it does keep you a safe distance away as it should. So I do think the biggest problem is ultimately just the fact that you need 10 marble just to deal the same total damage as a spear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ohan Posted June 10 Author Share Posted June 10 19 hours ago, Well-met said: he could use the "lunar_aligned" tag yeah. That would make him immune to Grazers at least 13 hours ago, Habakkuk said: He could be able to craft lunar stuff in the Brightsmithy that are exclusive to wormwood. and have planar defense and damage by default. Yup exactly this is the stuff im talking about. Currently he has nothing so the sky is really the limit. And if not Wormwood for some reason then lunar content deserves to have a new playable character representative i think. The whole lunar side of things is too interesting not to have a survivor dedicated to it like max and old wanda r dedicated to the shadowy side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheggf Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 On 6/9/2023 at 11:34 AM, Ohan said: Max and Wanda r related to shadowy stuff so whenever new shadow gear gets introduced they keep getting new buffs What do you mean by this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJ0264 Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 13 hours ago, Theukon-dos said: Hmmm, no. Not D tier. Yes, the hitless thing may make it seem like he'd be bad for noobs, but he does have the slingshot to keep enemies from hitting in the first place, plus being able to easily restore both HP and Sanity with the camper tent. And while yes, the DPS on the Slingshot is low, it does keep you a safe distance away as it should. So I do think the biggest problem is ultimately just the fact that you need 10 marble just to deal the same total damage as a spear. maybe not D tier (more like D+ or C-) I just don't think he's as good as Wilson in the long run Walter doesn't encourage the beginner how to kite (Wendy is similar but not as bad) learning how to kite is 2x faster that slingshot and on average is easier to get higher damage, unless it's bird or rabbits most small/mid mob aren't worth killing from afar and the boss take days... - bumping his fire rate to 50% >>> 75% would make it much better Restoring HP and Sanity isn't that big deal since you can use the crockpot for fish-sticks/pierogis/trail-mix and your going to want nightmare fuel for dark swords anyways so sanity isn't that big a deal (taffy, green caps, cactus can cover it) Agreed with marble, basing in the caves early on might help Walter as marble drops from the sky (plus not needing lighting rods, sanity, flingo or having to deal with summer makes it pretty good for Walter) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 10 Share Posted June 10 20 hours ago, JJ0264 said: I would get rid of the tree perk and faster cooking to make less "perk soup" character I know this argument has been made for years but every character is perk soup now so this complaint just doesn't make sense now. (not that it already didn't make sense at the time of his release.) 16 hours ago, Theukon-dos said: Hmmm, no. Not D tier. Yes, the hitless thing may make it seem like he'd be bad for noobs, but he does have the slingshot to keep enemies from hitting in the first place, plus being able to easily restore both HP and Sanity with the camper tent. And while yes, the DPS on the Slingshot is low, it does keep you a safe distance away as it should. So I do think the biggest problem is ultimately just the fact that you need 10 marble just to deal the same total damage as a spear. In theory this would make him good for noobs but in practice the slow speed tends to get noobs hit more often and thinking the speed of woby will keep them safe increases that death count considerably. Rather than noob friendly I see him as more of a noob trap as he often gives the impression their safer than they are and is prone to death spyrals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gashzer Posted June 11 Share Posted June 11 Walter encourages a no crock pot playstyle... faster on firepit cooking plus his portable tent means you can get a net gain of both health and sanity from foods even like cooked monster meat. Crockpots are a noob trap. They slow down your gameplay using them instead of just surviving off the land. Woby allows for a massive speed boost in the early game. And even if you prefer using a mag/cane for movement later on, the extra slots woby has also makes walter better for a no backpack playstyle. Walter a D-tier? Is how i know you are a noob. Any veteran knows how awesome big wobys speed boost is for boss rushes. The sanity loss on hit is only a downside if you get hit, skilled players dont get hit often. Hes S-tier no debate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atkvin Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 We've sorta hijacked the topic from Wormwood, but if we're talking characters who would be lunar-aligned, I'd just like to chip in that Woodie who must have some mysterious background with the moon that led to his curse turning into were-creatures under the full moon. Maybe the were-creatures could be enhanced by lunar gear, or Woodie himself could have some way of controlling/funneling the curse for better control over his transformations - though unlike Wormwood (who literally came from the moon) he should definitely not have friendliness with lunar enemies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waitdire Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 11 hours ago, Atkvin said: Maybe the were-creatures could be enhanced by lunar gear, or Woodie himself could have some way of controlling/funneling the curse for better control over his transformations - though unlike Wormwood (who literally came from the moon) he should definitely not have friendliness with lunar enemies. Why do people think that only the moon can enhance Woody, when we have a living example of a Daywalker enhanced by shadows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veridianne Posted June 12 Share Posted June 12 Make Wormwood drop leafy meat when killed like the rest of Lunar Island mobs. No other changes. Do it Klei. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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