Trevindo Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Guys, I believe I don't have to say this, but klei adding a choice for all characters between shadows and moon, doesn't mean that all characters will receive ability avors. I'm actually going to give my kick here of what's to come. I thought about it and I think that after defeating the bosses, Celestial Champion or Ancient Fuel Weaver, we will unlock the recipe for the alters of the ancient gods of moon and nightmares. The altars will serve to commit ourselves to a god, since we have destroyed his emissary. After being associated, we will unlock one of the two unique abilities of the characters: Wilson - Already has two paths in his tree which is his unique ability. Willow; Nightmare Route: Artificial Insanity. Your teddy bear no longer relies on low sanity to fight for her. Moon Route: Nap time! Your bear is now fueled with energy from the moon and causes nearby enemies to drowse. Wolfgang; Nightmare Route: Dark Rapids. Wolfgang has his speed increased. Moon Route: Lunar Overload. Allows you to double planar damage. (suggestion from a forum member). Wendy; Nightmare Route: Phantom Drain. Abigail now drains health per percentage of the damage she deals. Moon Route: Sacrifice to the Moon God. Abigail can "die" in her sister's place. WX-78; Nightmare Route: Darkness Module Unlocks the module recipe that allows you to reduce damage as if using Shadow Chest (directed damage to sanity). Moon Route: Lunar Module Unlocks the module recipe that converts part of incoming damage into sanity and health. wickerbottom Nightmare Route: Whispers from the Rift! Unlocks the book recitation that allows Wickerbottom to force the appearance of the Rifts of Pure Horror, in the caverns in the existing Rift he wants. Moon Route: Visions from another world! Unlocks the book recitation that allows Wickerbottom to force the moon portals to appear, on the surface and wherever he chooses. Woodie; Nightmare Route: Painless Transformation. No longer loses sanity when transforming! Moon Route: Shape control. Does not transform under the effect of moonlight. Wes; Nightmare Route: Void Resistance. Sanity loss reduced by 1% for darkness. Moon Route: Cruel joke. Gain a 1% speed boost while holding a balloon. Maxwell; Nightmare Route: Weaver Efficiency. Sanity pools are optimized to draw less sanity, plus leftover spells last longer. Moon Route: God of the Moon refuses the contract with beings unsullied by the shadows! Weber; Nightmare Route: Brood Upgrade. Cave spiders (recruited by Weber) get more damage and health. Moon Route: Caste Overdevelopment. Moon spiders (recruited by Weber) have double damage and health, scale linearly with the moon's cycle. Warly; Nightmare route: Immaculate Pot. Unlocks the Scrap Pot recipe that reverses the health and sanity stats of dishes made in it. Moon Route: Flavors overload. Unlocks the spice recipe that adds movement speed and luck (statistics of item drops from bosses tend to drop rarer items). Wigfrid; Nightmare Route: Inflexible. Cannot be thrown or take control of group attacks. Moon Route: Focus. Unlocks the fatigue recipe that makes Wigfrid immune to damp, heat, and cold effects while fighting. Walter; Nightmare Route: Enduring Transformation! Walter's dog lasts longer in his monster form. Moon Route: Lunar Calm. Fear of death no longer affects Walter's sanity. Wanda; Nightmare Route: Renewed Efficiency! Middle age damage is equivalent to damage while in old age. Rota da Lua: Time in your favor. Charging time for watches is decreased. Winona; Nightmare Route: Nightmare Revolution. Unlocks generator recipe that can be fueled with nightmare fuel (more efficient pure horror). Moon Route: Lunar panels. Unlocks the recipe for a panel that takes advantage of the residual energy of the moon's light, to power your machines (increases with the phase of the moon). Wormwood; Nightmare Route: Dog Shrub Breeder Covers for raising or taming Charlie bush puppies. Moon Route: Ancient Roots. You can replant lunar plants from sales, which will serve as protection for Wormwood. Wortox: Nightmare Route: Hunger for Nightmares. Can feed on nightmare fuel having the same effect as their souls, can use pure horor to teleport, but not for area heals. Moon Route: Shared Grace. Increased area healing effect, being able to use their souls to teleport creatures with them. All routes are subject to change, so have fun imagining better ways to do this (pss: I didn't forget to wurt, I just can't imagine anything she'd like to have that she doesn't already have). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JosePapp Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 If the planar items enhance the characters abilities after the third update i will gladly apologize to Klei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I really like this idea! But where is Wurt?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brago-sama Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I just relized. Unlocking the last tiers of mion/shadow affinity for wilson is beating fuelweaver/Celestial champ. Does this mean im gonna have to beat them 28 to 36 times to unlock them all? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gamehun20 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 20 minutes ago, Brago-sama said: I just relized. Unlocking the last tiers of mion/shadow affinity for wilson is beating fuelweaver/Celestial champ. Does this mean im gonna have to beat them 28 to 36 times to unlock them all? You need to beat both the celestial champ 18 times and the fuel weaver 18 times if we are counting it as you switch after every one of their kill so yup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 3 hours ago, gamehun20 said: You need to beat both the celestial champ 18 times and the fuel weaver 18 times if we are counting it as you switch after every one of their kill so yup In addition to dropping items, there will be a little motivation to fight. + not everyone plays for all the characters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brago-sama Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Very true. I just found it hilarious is all. Plus this is a nice goal to work towards, alongside the scrapbook Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 8 hours ago, Trevindo said: Guys, I believe I don't have to say this, but klei adding a choice for all characters between shadows and moon, doesn't mean that all characters will receive ability avors. I'm actually going to give my kick here of what's to come. I thought about it and I think that after defeating the bosses, Celestial Champion or Ancient Fuel Weaver, we will unlock the recipe for the alters of the ancient gods of moon and nightmares. The altars will serve to commit ourselves to a god, since we have destroyed his emissary. After being associated, we will unlock one of the two unique abilities of the characters: Wilson - Already has two paths in his tree which is his unique ability. Willow; Nightmare Route: Artificial Insanity. Your teddy bear no longer relies on low sanity to fight for her. Moon Route: Nap time! Your bear is now fueled with energy from the moon and causes nearby enemies to drowse. Wolfgang; Nightmare Route: Dark Rapids. Wolfgang has his speed increased. Moon Route: Lunar Overload. Allows you to double planar damage. (suggestion from a forum member). Wendy; Nightmare Route: Phantom Drain. Abigail now drains health per percentage of the damage she deals. Moon Route: Sacrifice to the Moon God. Abigail can "die" in her sister's place. WX-78; Nightmare Route: Darkness Module Unlocks the module recipe that allows you to reduce damage as if using Shadow Chest (directed damage to sanity). Moon Route: Lunar Module Unlocks the module recipe that converts part of incoming damage into sanity and health. wickerbottom Nightmare Route: Whispers from the Rift! Unlocks the book recitation that allows Wickerbottom to force the appearance of the Rifts of Pure Horror, in the caverns in the existing Rift he wants. Moon Route: Visions from another world! Unlocks the book recitation that allows Wickerbottom to force the moon portals to appear, on the surface and wherever he chooses. Woodie; Nightmare Route: Painless Transformation. No longer loses sanity when transforming! Moon Route: Shape control. Does not transform under the effect of moonlight. Wes; Nightmare Route: Void Resistance. Sanity loss reduced by 1% for darkness. Moon Route: Cruel joke. Gain a 1% speed boost while holding a balloon. Maxwell; Nightmare Route: Weaver Efficiency. Sanity pools are optimized to draw less sanity, plus leftover spells last longer. Moon Route: God of the Moon refuses the contract with beings unsullied by the shadows! Weber; Nightmare Route: Brood Upgrade. Cave spiders (recruited by Weber) get more damage and health. Moon Route: Caste Overdevelopment. Moon spiders (recruited by Weber) have double damage and health, scale linearly with the moon's cycle. Warly; Nightmare route: Immaculate Pot. Unlocks the Scrap Pot recipe that reverses the health and sanity stats of dishes made in it. Moon Route: Flavors overload. Unlocks the spice recipe that adds movement speed and luck (statistics of item drops from bosses tend to drop rarer items). Wigfrid; Nightmare Route: Inflexible. Cannot be thrown or take control of group attacks. Moon Route: Focus. Unlocks the fatigue recipe that makes Wigfrid immune to damp, heat, and cold effects while fighting. Walter; Nightmare Route: Enduring Transformation! Walter's dog lasts longer in his monster form. Moon Route: Lunar Calm. Fear of death no longer affects Walter's sanity. Wanda; Nightmare Route: Renewed Efficiency! Middle age damage is equivalent to damage while in old age. Rota da Lua: Time in your favor. Charging time for watches is decreased. Winona; Nightmare Route: Nightmare Revolution. Unlocks generator recipe that can be fueled with nightmare fuel (more efficient pure horror). Moon Route: Lunar panels. Unlocks the recipe for a panel that takes advantage of the residual energy of the moon's light, to power your machines (increases with the phase of the moon). Wormwood; Nightmare Route: Dog Shrub Breeder Covers for raising or taming Charlie bush puppies. Moon Route: Ancient Roots. You can replant lunar plants from sales, which will serve as protection for Wormwood. Wortox: Nightmare Route: Hunger for Nightmares. Can feed on nightmare fuel having the same effect as their souls, can use pure horor to teleport, but not for area heals. Moon Route: Shared Grace. Increased area healing effect, being able to use their souls to teleport creatures with them. All routes are subject to change, so have fun imagining better ways to do this (pss: I didn't forget to wurt, I just can't imagine anything she'd like to have that she doesn't already have). I like alot of these, though i will provide some feedback. I believe every perk should be a craft, or a benifit focused on the end game, since it flows with the progression of the game. E.g, webber could have a new special spider switcherdoodle for each side. I feel like winona should have new buildings and not generators. Also Warly's shadow perk is perfect i love it, however there are not many foods it makes better. The lunar spice one could just be focused on movement speed. Materials formall of these were not mentioned, but they should use pure brilliance, brightshades, pure horror and dark tatters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brago-sama Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 11 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: The lunar spice one could just be focused on movement speed. Materials formall of these were not mentioned, but they should use pure brilliance, brightshades, pure horror and dark tatters. Id love more uses for brightshade husks. That stuff just piles up. Id love a nettles-like recepie like the one from hamelt. Hell let me eat it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chirsg Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 8 hours ago, Trevindo said: Moon Route: Focus. Unlocks the fatigue recipe that makes Wigfrid immune to damp, heat, and cold effects while fighting. Wigfrid proposed perk is underwhelming I'm sorry. I like a lot of your suggestions for other characters, but wigfrid immune to all you listed is negligible. She as a character is already hard to kill. It's just stacking on something she's already exceptional at. It feels like fireproof candenza part 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nimzowitsch10 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 this is really good suggestions, i hope klei takes some of these ideas Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D_Good_Fellow Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 The Bernie ideas are great, but I honestly think I'd really like to see Willow get some more fire-based things to do. Maybe one of the alignments could give her lighter some buffs similar to Wilson's torch abilities. For Winona having more efficient generators thematically linked to the sides is a brilliant idea. Nightmare Generators will encourage Winona to spend more time in the caves while Moonlight Generators would encourage her to spend more time on the surface, which is a very effective way to handle a "choosing sides" mechanic imo. I might also be interested in her spotlight getting more uses, since it's anti-darkness nature sort of blends nicely with this arc (Winona's examination quote even implies the spotlight is unpleasant for Charlie in some way) 2 minutes ago, chirsg said: Wigfrid proposed perk is underwhelming I'm sorry. I like a lot of your suggestions for other characters, but wigfrid immune to all you listed is negligible. She as a character is already hard to kill. It's just stacking on something she's already exceptional at. It feels like fireproof candenza part 2 I mean Wigfrid tends to spend most of her time away from base hunting. Overheating becomes a genuine hinderance for her in the summer if you venture too far away, since there's no reliable way to cool down on the run unless you've saved up a lot of nitre. Plus her two signature items take up the hat/umbrella slots, making slowing down the overheating a bit of a hindrance to her playstyle. Wigfrid play already naturally revolves around going into combat to deal with problems by restoring health/sanity, so being able to go from fight to fight in the summer to stay cool genuinely does sound appealing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevindo Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 36 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said: I like alot of these, though i will provide some feedback. I believe every perk should be a craft, or a benifit focused on the end game, since it flows with the progression of the game. E.g, webber could have a new special spider switcherdoodle for each side. I feel like winona should have new buildings and not generators. Also Warly's shadow perk is perfect i love it, however there are not many foods it makes better. The lunar spice one could just be focused on movement speed. Materials formall of these were not mentioned, but they should use pure brilliance, brightshades, pure horror and dark tatters. I fully agree with you! I do not think that these advantages should in any way remove the initial disadvantages of each character, being necessary to change several of my suggestions because of this. This was one more idea to motivate the forum staff to talk about what they expect from each character for Klei's developers to see. 15 minutes ago, chirsg said: Wigfrid proposed perk is underwhelming I'm sorry. I like a lot of your suggestions for other characters, but wigfrid immune to all you listed is negligible. She as a character is already hard to kill. It's just stacking on something she's already exceptional at. It feels like fireproof candenza part 2 I understand, these were just initial suggestions, as I don't play with all the characters I can't figure out what would be best for many of them, but I agree with you and am completely open to other possibilities. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 9 hours ago, Trevindo said: Walter; Nightmare Route: Enduring Transformation! Walter's dog lasts longer in his monster form. Moon Route: Lunar Calm. Fear of death no longer affects Walter's sanity. Can't say I'm a fan of these ones Woby already lasts a long time and so does monster meat so this effectively does nothing on the nightmare side While the lunar side just completely removes his downside. 9 hours ago, Trevindo said: Moon Route: Sacrifice to the Moon God. Abigail can "die" in her sister's place. This also seems extremely out of character That aside conceptually the idea a passive upgrades to characters based on their sides is interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevindo Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 9 minutes ago, Mysterious box said: Can't say I'm a fan of these ones Woby already lasts a long time and so does monster meat so this effectively does nothing on the nightmare side While the lunar side just completely removes his downside. This also seems extremely out of character That aside conceptually the idea a passive upgrades to characters based on their sides is interesting. to tell you the truth this was the worst powers I wrote, I never played Walter. But maybe a better idea would be. Nightmare Route: Transformation of sober space. Walter can transform Woby into a sober version that is able to withstand 1 more monster attack and has increased inventory space. Lunar Route: Full Moon Transformation. Woby can be transformed into a version that works like a refrigerator while Woby emits Light. Perhaps this is a slightly better idea, but it's up to you to say. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 2 minutes ago, Trevindo said: Nightmare Route: Transformation of sober space. Walter can transform Woby into a sober version that is able to withstand 1 more monster attack and has increased inventory space. This seems good ideally this would be added after Woby her current buck hp threshold when all of her buck free hits are exhausted. 5 minutes ago, Trevindo said: Lunar Route: Full Moon Transformation. Woby can be transformed into a version that works like a refrigerator while Woby emits Light. This one is useful but feels like it's stepping on Chester and hutches toes abit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 11 minutes ago, Trevindo said: to tell you the truth this was the worst powers I wrote, I never played Walter. But maybe a better idea would be. Nightmare Route: Transformation of sober space. Walter can transform Woby into a sober version that is able to withstand 1 more monster attack and has increased inventory space. Lunar Route: Full Moon Transformation. Woby can be transformed into a version that works like a refrigerator while Woby emits Light. Perhaps this is a slightly better idea, but it's up to you to say Do you have any ideas for Wurt or have you forgotten about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oyrx Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 Perhaps Wurt could craft shadow/lunar influenced merm houses or upgrade existing merm houses. The Merms would have similar stats to royal merm guards but with added planar damage. Here's an example with your format. Wurt; Nightmare Route: Something Smells Shady. Wurt can craft shadow merm houses that cost: 1 dark sword, 2 pure horror, 1 dark tatter ,and 1 eel. STATS: 600 HP, 26 normal damage, and 38 planar damage. Passive: 10% chance to create a shadow tentacle on hit that deals 16 planar damage that last for 3 seconds. STATS without king: 200 hp, 16 damage, 14 planar damage, and no passive. Moon Route: A Fish Out of their Mind. Wurt can craft lunar merm houses that cost: 1 glass cutter, 2 brightshade husk, 1 pure brilliance, and 1 lunar wobster. STATS: 600 HP, 20 normal damage, 20 planar damage. Passive: 10% chance to create a temporary anenemy on hit that deals 34 planar damage with a small AOE radius. STATS without king: 200 hp, 10 normal damage, 10 planar damage, and no passive. feel free to critique Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 10 minutes ago, Oyrx said: Perhaps Wurt could craft shadow/lunar influenced merm houses or upgrade existing merm houses. The Merms would have similar stats to royal merm guards but with added planar damage. Here's an example with your format. Wurt; Nightmare Route: Something Smells Shady. Wurt can craft shadow merm houses that cost: 1 dark sword, 2 pure horror, 1 dark tatter ,and 1 eel. STATS: 500 HP, 26 normal damage, and 34 planar damage. Passive: 10% chance to create a shadow tentacle on hit that deals 10 planar damage that last for 3 seconds. STATS without king: 200 hp, 16 damage, 14 planar damage, and no passive. Moon Route: A Fish Out of their Mind. Wurt can craft lunar merm houses that cost: 1 glass cutter, 2 brightshade husk, 1 pure brilliance, and 1 lunar wobster. STATS: 600 HP, 20 normal damage, 20 planar damage. Passive: 10% chance to create a temporary anenemy on hit that deals 30 planar damage with a small AOE radius. STATS without king: 300 hp, 10 normal damage, 10 planar damage, and no passive. feel free to critique I really like it, I would add 2 more little things, shadow merm teleport on impact like real shadows, and lunar ones increase sanity by being nearby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevindo Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 3 hours ago, Oyrx said: Perhaps Wurt could craft shadow/lunar influenced merm houses or upgrade existing merm houses. The Merms would have similar stats to royal merm guards but with added planar damage. Here's an example with your format. Wurt; Nightmare Route: Something Smells Shady. Wurt can craft shadow merm houses that cost: 1 dark sword, 2 pure horror, 1 dark tatter ,and 1 eel. STATS: 600 HP, 26 normal damage, and 38 planar damage. Passive: 10% chance to create a shadow tentacle on hit that deals 16 planar damage that last for 3 seconds. STATS without king: 200 hp, 16 damage, 14 planar damage, and no passive. Moon Route: A Fish Out of their Mind. Wurt can craft lunar merm houses that cost: 1 glass cutter, 2 brightshade husk, 1 pure brilliance, and 1 lunar wobster. STATS: 600 HP, 20 normal damage, 20 planar damage. Passive: 10% chance to create a temporary anenemy on hit that deals 34 planar damage with a small AOE radius. STATS without king: 200 hp, 10 normal damage, 10 planar damage, and no passive. feel free to critique It's a fun idea, but I don't know if it's practicable. I think maybe Wurt's lane mechanics will be more focused on farming the new items through trading with King Merm. For example: Lunar Route: Full Moon Fish. Wurt acquires the knowledge of a fish, which appears at full moon (only near Wurt) in shallow regions to stay close to the dim moonlight. It can be exchanged with the merm king for new items that are used to manufacture lunar items. Nightmare route: New Moon Fish. Wurt acquires the knowledge of a fish, which appears at new moon (only near Wurt) in deep regions to keep hidden from light. It can be exchanged with the merm king for new items that are used to manufacture shadow items. Both fish only appear next to the wurt and only after unlocking the ancient lore, in addition the fish give sanity boost (+6.6 sanity/minute) or insanity to those (-8.8 sanity/minute) who hold it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deadtaco0 Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I would change it a bit Wigfrid; Nightmare Route: Unstoppable fighter. Immunity to throwback(2-3s cooldown) and stunlock. Moon Route: Unbreakable Focus. During fight Wigfrid is immune to insanity aura effects, storms(moon, sand and miasma) and AF mind controll, Inspiration gain penalty is reduced by 20%(at high inspiration it is gained slower). Wolfgang; Moon/Nightmare Route: Planar damage increased by 30% from Lunar/Shadow tools. Wendy; Moon Route: Bestowed knowledge. All Ghostly Elixirs have increased efficiency(longer shield, higher damage etc). Or Abigail can be affected by 2 Ghostly Elixirs at the same time. WX-78; Nightmare Route: Shadow reinforcement Module Unlocks the module recipe that allows you to reduce post-armor damage by 20% at cost of sanity (if sanity is 0 then module doesn't work). Takes up 4 slots. (incoming damage - 20, armor - 20-80%=5, module - 5-20%=4) Moon Route: Lunar Module Unlocks the module recipe that gives 5 planar damage to all attacks. Takes up 3 slots. Modules can be used only if route has been chosen Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zima Blue Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 I think this would make them too overpowered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 1 hour ago, Trevindo said: It's a fun idea, but I don't know if it's practicable. I think maybe Wurt's lane mechanics will be more focused on farming the new items through trading with King Merm. For example: Lunar Route: Full Moon Fish. Wurt acquires the knowledge of a fish, which appears at full moon (only near Wurt) in shallow regions to stay close to the dim moonlight. It can be exchanged with the merm king for new items that are used to manufacture lunar items. Lunar Route: New Moon Fish. Wurt acquires the knowledge of a fish, which appears at new moon (only near Wurt) in deep regions to keep hidden from light. It can be exchanged with the merm king for new items that are used to manufacture shadow items. Both fish only appear next to the wurt and only after unlocking the ancient lore, in addition the fish give sanity boost (+6.6 sanity/minute) or insanity to those (-8.8 sanity/minute) who hold it. This is also an interesting idea, it will definitely be difficult to grow them during the new moon and full moon, since they are quite short (except in winter), but in general the king will give the resources of the shadow and moon for them, so I think it's fair? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Creatorofswamps Posted June 9 Share Posted June 9 3 hours ago, Trevindo said: Nightmare route: New Moon Fish. Wurt acquires the knowledge of a fish, which appears at new moon (only near Wurt) in deep regions to keep hidden from light. It can be exchanged with the merm king for new items that are used to manufacture shadow items. So far, I have created a small concept of shadow fish. If you kill her, you will get Dreadstone, and if you give it to the king, he will give Pure Horror Or Dark Tatters Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevindo Posted June 9 Author Share Posted June 9 32 minutes ago, Creatorofswamps said: So far, I have created a small concept of shadow fish. If you kill her, you will get Dreadstone, and if you give it to the king, he will give Pure Horror Your concept art is even better than I imagined. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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