Why do Klei servers shut down?

[Gi-Go]

This is honestly frustrating. Why is it happening? 

[Gashzer]

What day did you guys reach? Is it just random?

[Tranoze]

It happened to me before.

They are now just shutting down their own server and regen the world to annoy players who play there.

 

[Gashzer]

26 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

It happened to me before.

They are now just shutting down their own server and regen the world to annoy players who play there.

 

Well you turned the lunar island into a ruins base.... im guessing the server was running for an extremely long period of time hence why you hid the day count. Maybe they thought it was time to allow other players a fresh start.

[Tranoze]

27 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Well you turned the lunar island into a ruins base.... im guessing the server was running for an extremely long period of time hence why you hid the day count. Maybe they thought it was time to allow other players a fresh start.

500 days i think, and ruin turf are quite easy to craft.

Other than that, normal klei server regen on 100~300 days
The screenshot are from a friend who dont want to public the name, so he require me to only copy the chat note and how the regen happened. (I think op dont want to reveal his name ingame also so he only reveal chat)

There a feature that klei will shut down and regen, but the world announcement are different: 

"new patch detected + patch number" ->"Shutting down server in 2m0s"->"1m0s"....

When there are no game update and klei server regen, instead it start at the 1 min mark 
"Shutting down server in 1m0s"

[Gi-Go]

39 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Well you turned the lunar island into a ruins base.... im guessing the server was running for an extremely long period of time hence why you hid the day count. Maybe they thought it was time to allow other players a fresh start.

Days are random. Last time it happened today on day 6. 

[Tranoze]

Just now, Gi-Go said:

Days are random. Last time it happened today on day 6. 

Now truely klei just regen world to make players feel frustrated. Lots of player i saw play in klei public last month now play in other hosted server as klei keep regen world on random day. I believe if the start of the shut down announcement is "new patch detected" it happen automatically, and it fair (although i dont like it as klei keep adding new hot fix every week after new update). But if it start at the 1 min mark and no prior announce, it is manual regen created by klei.

[Gashzer]

19 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Now truely klei just regen world to make players feel frustrated. Lots of player i saw play in klei public last month now play in other hosted server as klei keep regen world on random day. I believe if the start of the shut down announcement is "new patch detected" it happen automatically, and it fair (although i dont like it as klei keep adding new hot fix every week after new update). But if it start at the 1 min mark and no prior announce, it is manual regen created by klei.

You reached day 500 on a public server.... that is almost 3 straight real-life days without a reset! And you are confused as to why Klei would manually reset a 3 real-life day old world!?

Day 10 or 20 or 30 reset would be annoying yeah fair enough... but sounds like you were getting greedy with the day count so Klei resetted. Which is good i hope they implement an automatic day 500 reset for their pubs.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

17 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

Now truely klei just regen world to make players feel frustrated

why would they shoot their feet?

[Tranoze]

6 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

why would they shoot their feet?

They want the game to be harder to late game players, the longer the world, the more resource one world have, the easier that world become. Everyone must fight 6 hounds + 1 varglets without armor and can only use punches.

More percifict: 

But i think most klei public players have better time survive as they start building base and equip themself with gear, and the fastest way to remove gears and bases, is to regen world.

Other than that, because of klei server sometimes have bug->crash->server shut down and they dont want to spend time dealing with it, they just regen world whenever it happen

17 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

 3 real-life day old world!?

People have time on their weekend. Beginning at late friday, and end on monday. What do you expect? people have time and they cant play the game?
That is a casual world and according to them, they defeated celestial champion on about day 480. That how slowly normal players progress to late game content that klei keep adding. Not everyone is speedrunner, and for klei pub to actually have time enjoy new klei content, they have to last certain time for players there to prepare and start looking for bosses.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

27 minutes ago, Tranoze said:

They want the game to be harder to late game players, the longer the world, the more resource one world have, the easier that world become. Everyone must fight 6 hounds + 1 varglets without armor and can only use punches.

More percifict: 

But i think most klei public players have better time survive as they start building base and equip themself with gear, and the fastest way to remove gears and bases, is to regen world.

i hope you are joking

[Tranoze]

3 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

i hope you are joking

yes. And i hope so too. Pls love klei pub klei.

[nimzowitsch10]

I've lost probably over 50 day 400+ worlds on klei pubs due to shutdown and crashing. It's a torturous cycle that I no longer put myself through. If klei could just stop and give at least a tiny bit of support for their public servers they would make alot of people happy.

[Mysterious box]

Kiel servers are not meant for players to make a endless world it's a place for new and casual players to hang out so it resets after 400+ days is perfectly reasonable if you plan to go for longer make a group and make your own server or join a player hosted server.

[Dextops]

5 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Kiel servers are not meant for players to make a endless world it's a place for new and casual players to hang out so it resets after 400+ days is perfectly reasonable if you plan to go for longer make a group and make your own server or join a player hosted server.

No. People who wanna play on public servers and end up going a far way with it shouldn't be forced to lose it cause "lol". Most servers don't go to those high of numbers so there is no shortage of servers those new players can play on (not even mentioning new people should probably play solo)

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, Dextops said:

No. People who wanna play on public servers and end up going a far way with it shouldn't be forced to lose it cause "lol". Most servers don't go to those high of numbers so there is no shortage of servers those new players can play on (not even mentioning new people should probably play solo)

That's not up to the player but the server's intention if the fact it has a built in reset timer seems unpleasant make a server where such a thing isn't a issue I see no good reason why Kiel's personal servers should be dedicated to personal mega bases.

 

4 minutes ago, Dextops said:

not even mentioning new people should probably play solo)

Don't starve is a miserable experience to a solo player who knows nothing.

[Dextops]

1 minute ago, Mysterious box said:

That's not up to the player but the server's intention if the fact it has a built in reset timer seems unpleasant make a server where such a thing isn't a issue I see no good reason why Kiel's personal servers should be dedicated to personal mega bases.

This is a huge nothing burger of a sentence. I genuinely have no idea what point you're trying to make and you pretend like all endless servers would turn into gigantic mega bases and then you pretend like that is AT ALL  bad thing (which it is not). "instead of fixing the servers just make your own" is a horrible excuse for mismanaged servers which are filled with annoyances and if it's gonna have these problems then just remove them at this point, I don't see a reason for klei servers at this point.

 

3 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Don't starve is a miserable experience to a solo player who knows nothing.

Almost like the entire point of the game is trial and error.

[00petar00]

18 minutes ago, Dextops said:

No. People who wanna play on public servers and end up going a far way with it shouldn't be forced to lose it cause "lol". Most servers don't go to those high of numbers so there is no shortage of servers those new players can play on (not even mentioning new people should probably play solo)

There are multiple issues with klei running endless servers that last thousands of days.

New players should have access to learn and not have to bother with random servers where they may get kicked, while i wouldn't suggest for anyone to learn DST on a public server, if they choose to do so the klei servers would be the best option. 

Another problem that we run into is servers will require more resources to run properly without lag, the longer server runs the more structures that players build that will require processing power/RAM. Worth noting is that klei has stopped doing forge and gorge because of the server costs, if a few of klei servers had megabases and were at least a few thousand days in, they may need to stop hosting them because of the increasing costs.

It is not a bad idea of them to have a timer and 400 days is more than fair, there are a lot of servers hosted by communities that you can play on if you want to play for longer or you can host your own. 

I do think that they should fix all the random crashes that regenerate worlds that i've heard happen but since i didn't play on klei pubs in the last few years, i don't know how big of an issue it is but this shouldn't be a priority for them, most of the playerbase would prefer if they used that time on next content update than to see them spend valuable time on their public servers.

[Mysterious box]

1 minute ago, Dextops said:

I don't see a reason for klei servers at this point.

 

18 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

it's a place for new and casual players to hang out

 

 

2 minutes ago, Dextops said:

"instead of fixing the servers just make your own"

What's there to fix? Is there some bug I'm missing on Kiel servers?

5 minutes ago, Dextops said:

I genuinely have no idea what point you're trying to make and you pretend like all endless servers would turn into gigantic meg

I genuinely don't know what else you would do at that point even I eventually get around to doing that.

6 minutes ago, Dextops said:

then you pretend like that is AT ALL  bad thing (which it is not).

Never said that at all but ok. What I said was this isn't what those servers are for and you seem to have taken that as a personal attack.

[Dextops]

4 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

New players should have access to learn and not have to bother with random servers where they may get kicked, while i wouldn't suggest for anyone to learn DST on a public server, if they choose to do so the klei servers would be the best option. 

Like i said, there are multiple servers for each region that they can always go in. What you're looking at is a niche person and the same applies for people who want to go long term in a server. People should have access to go as long as they want in a server as long as people are in that server

 

5 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

Another problem that we run into is servers will require more resources to run properly without lag, the longer server runs the more structures that players build that will require processing power/RAM. Worth noting is that klei has stopped doing forge and gorge because of the server costs, if a few of klei servers had megabases and were at least a few thousand days in, they may need to stop hosting them because of the increasing costs.

This is actually a good point, though again i think the issue may be niche since it is very very rare for a klei server to go that far especially when they reset every update.

 

6 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

It is not a bad idea of them to have a timer and 400 days is more than fair, there are a lot of servers hosted by communities that you can play on if you want to play for longer or you can host your own.

This is why i believe at this point they should be retired. IDK their purpose and if they're so costly they have to spend a lot of money on them when people host their own community servers which serve the same purpose.

 

7 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

What's there to fix? Is there some bug I'm missing on Kiel servers?

Random regenerations and the topic at hand

 

8 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I genuinely don't know what else you would do at that point even I eventually get around to doing tha

most servers don't last to that point and simply die off, i've only seen a select few that actually have a sizable base. It's usually an alchemy engine a fire pit and a single crockpot.

 

10 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Never said that at all but ok. What I said was this isn't what those servers are for and you seem to have taken that as a personal attack.

You said "I see no good reason why Kiel's personal servers should be dedicated to personal mega bases." which has an obvious negative connotation and makes it seem like mega bases are a bad thing and that all servers somehow end up at this point.

[Mysterious box]

44 minutes ago, Dextops said:

You said "I see no good reason why Kiel's personal servers should be dedicated to personal mega bases." which has an obvious negative connotation and makes it seem like mega bases are a bad thing and that all servers somehow end up at this point.

My intention was that servers shouldn't be prioritized in perserving mega bases not that mega bases are inherently bad.

 

44 minutes ago, Dextops said:

most servers don't last to that point and simply die off, i've only seen a select few that actually have a sizable base. It's usually an alchemy engine a fire pit and a single crockpot.

Then I don't see why having a 400 day cut off would be a bad thing.

 

44 minutes ago, Dextops said:

Random regenerations and the topic at hand

I didn't know if it was legitimate or not if I'm being honest considering I haven't experienced a crash in pubs aside from the old light bulb crash and high day counts being brought up, but if it's legit crashing at random and not due to high day counts I agree that part should be addressed.

[Dextops]

15 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

Then I don't see why having a 400 day cut off would be a bad thing.

because people do sometimes build things in there. I think you completely missed my point. 

 

15 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

My intention was that servers shouldn't be prioritized in perserving mega bases not that mega bases are inherently bad.

But who exactly is this change helping? Petar brought up a good point which if klei did say that was their intention i'd be ok with but saying pubs are for new people and casuals thus we should restart their progress so that new people can what exactly?? not be scared off by a big base?

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Dextops said:

because people do sometimes build things in there. I think you completely missed my point. 

 

The point was that people do build things they want to stay there in a kiel hosted server that lasts 400 plus days? If I'm wrong I ask that you correct me so that I understand what your getting at better.

1 hour ago, Dextops said:

But who exactly is this change helping?

I've come across plenty of casual players who are scared away by high day counts but prefer kiel servers. That being said I just don't understand what do you need a world longer than 400 Days for if you're not mega basing or something it just seems more like a personal world once you go that high I'm not saying doing such a thing is bad but why does it specifically have to be at kiel servers so far it feels like the argument is well why not and in that scenario from what I've experienced players tend to find low day counts more welcoming.

[Tranoze]

10 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

I've come across plenty of casual players who are scared away by high day counts but prefer kiel servers. 

I've also come across plenty of players prefer large day count and like the challenge of off season start. There are different player want different thing klei pub, and there are plenty klei pub for them to choose.

Regen on update is fair (I still dont like it but it my own opinion). But regen randomly is not. Imagine you are a casual player on a weeked prepare for a boss you want to fight or prepare material you want to farm then boom word regen.

[Mike23Ua]

I can answer this question for you, but your NOT going to like the answer.

The world Regenerates/Shuts down to keep people from joining, building a base somewhere, leaving and then never logging back into that world.

This is the exact reason games like Ark Survival Evolved have a “Decay Timer” if you don’t log back in within X time limit- the game removes everything you built so people who want to play can play without the crap you built getting in their way.

If DST had a Decay Timer OR if everything you built vanishes from the world until you log back on (Aka owning properties in GTA Online…) The servers wouldn’t need to shutdown/reset after so long.