Somnium Synthesizer Automation

[Phazon1980]

So the somnium synthesizer looks interesting, but I generally play with 20 dupes, across 5 schedules, no way I'm micro managing them all putting on / taking off pajamas every time they sleep.  Even if the buff was 5x more powerful than it currently is, it still isn't worth the hassle.

Am I right in thinking there is no way to automate this process?

Feels like a bit of a mis-step... in it's current state it's far more trouble than its worth.

 

[pether]

In my game I have selected crew on separate schedule that just eats and sleeps. This way I don't need to micromanage all dupes.

But I agree, it would be nice to have some way to automate wearing pajamas, like checkpoint or unique building that works in bedrooms so dupes can use it to put pajamas on before sleeping.

I'd also love to see some duplicant traits that support dream generation. This way we could build our strategy around new feature, hire dupes that are good in sleeping just for this purpose.

On top of that, if I understand correctly, journals cannot be used in storages or conveyors. Not sure if it is by design or overlook, but I don't really like it

[QuQuasar]

I suspect the extreme amount of micromanagement is deliberate. You're not supposed to take the pajama's off during the day: if you do, you're basically getting the dream journals, and thus the global buff, for free.

One approach is a dedicated group of permanent dreamers on an all-sleep schedule, whose only purpose is to generate journals. The cost for the global buff is providing additional oxygen and food for a number of useless duplicants.

Given that it takes 300 seconds sleep to generate a dream journal and each journal is consumed in 60 seconds, 6 dreamers will keep the buff going permanently (after you factor in the need for downtime).

Another approach is to just treat the synthesizer as a bonus. Put pajama's on dupes who don't need to commute much (cooks, researchers, operators) and get the occasional dream journal out of it. The skill buffs aren't hugely noticable day to day (I'm sure they add up in the background, but just like disease debuffs they're easily ignorable), but the stress relief is nice on hardest stress settings.

I will probably take a hybrid approach: dedicating one dupe to sleeping isn't too great a cost, and my cooks especially barely go anywhere during the day.

[Tranoze]

once you reach 20 athletic you can just have dupes wear pajamas 24/24. The penalty doesnt feel that much when your dupes have positive athletic.
Pretty sure dupes can reach 20 ath before any other attributes.

[Gurgel]

Training athletics is also pretty easy: Just have hamster wheels around with doors that only let those in that you want to train. 

[tuxii]

Can the Dream Doohicky even be kept up after the 25 journals have been delivered? I did that and it says it is "Fully Restored" now but it only stayed up for a short period of time.  There is no information on how to keep it running after restoration and I don't need the buffs so I don't have anyone in pajamas producing journals anymore to keep it up.

As far as automating donning and doffing pajamas, clearly that is not something the devs intend for this.  Every time I told a dupe to take off pajamas they ripped and I had to get new pajamas from the pajama dock next to the Dream Doohicky.  I put pajamas on my spacefarers since they don't move very far inside a rocket and at the end I just put a couple people who were already max Athletics to finish the 25.

[Sasza22]

16 hours ago, tuxii said:

Can the Dream Doohicky even be kept up after the 25 journals have been delivered? I did that and it says it is "Fully Restored" now but it only stayed up for a short period of time.  There is no information on how to keep it running after restoration and I don't need the buffs so I don't have anyone in pajamas producing journals anymore to keep it up.

After you activate it delivered journals get "consumed" for extra 60s of the effect. You can keep it running constantly with enough dupes sleeping all the time.

Personally i think that`s kinda boring. I`d rather see a second stage for the machine to make it do something else than just provide a buff but i guess it`s fine. Might be nice for fresh dupes and dupes in space to keep them unstressed and productive.

[SharraShimada]

I could let them run around in pajamas all the time, but thats not how i want to adress this. So i have not bothered myself with the new feature at all, because i dont see a suitable way to use ist. And i will completely ignore this, until there is a checkpoint.

[Phazon1980]

On 10/28/2022 at 11:49 PM, SharraShimada said:

I could let them run around in pajamas all the time, but thats not how i want to adress this. So i have not bothered myself with the new feature at all, because i dont see a suitable way to use ist. And i will completely ignore this, until there is a checkpoint.

pretty much this exactly.

It's a shame to ignore new features because they feel half implemented.

Anything that requires this much micro management isn't worth the investment.

Personally I'd like to see the addition of being able to build lockers added (as checkpoints where dupes change clothes), and then be able to fill the lockers with pajamas (or other clothes) using conveyors.

Then we could setup some fancy automated bedrooms where dupes will automatically change into day/night clothes without the micro management.

We already had the fancy new clothes added recently, if they gave those clothes a different stat buff each, the lockers could be useful for having dupes change into different outfits before certain tasks.

[RonEmpire]

Technically more efficient to have 5 dupes in a only  sleep schedule next to the machine with minimum down time to eat and use bathroom.  Rotate them on different schedule so they take turns delivering journals. The travel time being short. 

Can have bathroom and great hall and bedrooms next to machine. Stock them up with some food. 

The machine is amazing for max difficulty settings because of the global stress reduction.     This is galaxy wide, so when you're in the rocket or landing on a new planet, and need that bonus stress reduction, this greatly helps.

Since their only task is to deliver journals.  You don't need many skill points to assign thus lowers the morale requirements for them.

Its not worth automating putting on and take off suits. Dedicated sleepers basically compounds need to distribute sleep job across regular dupes into the one.

It would be nice to have a way to store the Journals though.  Only idea I can think of is having the bedroom floors be automated with mechanical doors on timers basically for when they're not sleeping it opens and drops the journals to the floor below it, which you could have it above the Machine so they deliver it faster.  Or even have the old regolith door push method pushing all the items to the left or right into the room.  This is the only automation I can think of.  Sadly, sweeper arms don't work. I tried this.  Dupes has to deliver it to the machine.