(THEORY) Wanda is Warly's Mother/Mamam

[Qairon]

Yeah, this is a massive bombshell to drop with barely any evidence. I've been thinking about this for a while now, just woke up, and felt like just kind of putting my theory out there. I don't have much evidence, but I'll still try to spin somewhat of a case. Besides, this is a cryptic game, and sometimes it only takes one person's outlandish theory to lead to others finding more to support it! (That's what I'm kind of hoping will happen anwyays lol).

Wanda (in her old as heck form) and Warly's Mamam Kind of Look Alike

This is probably my biggest strength to the argument, and I hope it kind of at least raises someone else's suspicions. Now I know there's only so many ways you can draw a very old person in a cartoon style, but the resemblance here is.. almost uncanny, frankly.

 

Big thanks to Starlogy and Ohan for respectfully pointing out I'm an idiot and they really look nothing alike. The theory is over, everyone go home. I still have a few more things to talk about anyways though.

We have a fairly similar skin tone, the same round glasses, hair consistency and color (of course this is probably a stylistic choice to just say they're both old as heck) and their hair is wrapped the same way in a bun. Of course, wanda has her hair tied in a bun via a watch, but that's also a stylstic choice imo.

Wanda Seems to Know Warly

I almost didn't want to include this one because of how ambiguous it is, and obviously a gag at how Wanda is a time-traveler that mixes up when they properly met someone for the first time. It's a pretty established trope I suppose. But I'm already shooting in the dark so I might as well add it. When Wanda examines a Warly, she says "How good it is to see you, (Warly player's name here)! Tell me, have we met yet?"

This seems.rather ordinary honestly. But it's almost too ordinary given how distinct her normal response is to interacting with other Survivors. Not only is it incredibly cordial, but it's almost like she's.. careful. Also, it's safe to assume she's seen Warly before, since they're surviving together. That's why standard survivor quotes don't act like they've met each other for the very first time, but rather are just standard greetings, like "Hello", "How are you", something along those lines. They've already all gotten to know eachother is how the dialogue is usually established. But.. this is a phrase you say to someone you want to introduce yourself to. For the first time. She wants Warly to know she's almost certainly never seen him before.

So why does it matter that she's got somewhat of an odd greeting for Warly? Well, most of us know by now that whenever there's a time traveler in a story, there's almost always the "Butterfly Effect" theory as well. Put simply, if you mess with a timeline too much, you're going to mess it up in the past and future as well. If you tell someone something they shouldn't have known, you're probably dooming something that was supposed to happen later on, so you do your absolute best to be a bystander while time travelling. If you KNOW someone... well I think you get the idea. You pretend you don't know them. You go OUT OF YOUR WAY to ignore even having met them, or giving hints that heavens forbid, you're even their family member. Wanda might literally be asking Warly this in attempt to be so careful that she doesn't disturb the timeline further, well, than she already has. If Wanda was related to Warly, he CANNOT know who she is, for whatever reasons she's here or in such a hurry, if it involves Warly, it would be all for nothing if he knew her and messed things up further.

 

They Both Share a Similar Trait of Forgetfulness

 

Thanks to skile for letting me know about this one.To understand where I'm coming from with this part, you'll have to have seen the "A Taste of Home" cinematic on Youtube from Klei (a great animation if you haven't seen it yet. Go watch all of their other ones too.) Warly's mamam is shown to have either a severe dementia or Alzheimers, as she's completely forgotten who Warly is, and loses all sense of her home's surroundings, when she isn't distinctly eating Warly's food and interacting with him. It's an awful illness, and the cinematic is really heart-wrenching, but for the purpose of this post I want to directly compare that to Wanda's own apparent inability to recall things. I'll just share a few of her examinations for reference: 

"Football Helmet- "I don't want my brain scrambled, I'm forgetful enough as it is.""

End Table (old light source)- "Oh no, did I forget to replace the bulb again?"

Papyrus- "I should really write things down before I forget them..."

There's quite a few quotes very similar to these ones. It's most definitely a very important attribute to her as a character.

Does this in any way directly relate to Warly's mother just because she may have Alzheimer's? Of course not, they are both very old women, and according to the Alzheimer's Association, " About 1 in 9 age 65 and older (10.7%) has Alzheimer's."  The odds of them both having developed it is quite high. But I do think it's at least worth mentioning.

 

Warly's Kidnapping May Have Had Unforeseen Consequences

 

I'll try to keep this one brief. We've already seen how in other cinematics, Maxwell is able to directly give powers to the Survivors, normally through the striking of bargains. For instance, in One for the Books, it's shown that in Wicker's desperation to save her knowledge from fire, Max offers a safe place to store it, but instead ends up sealing all of Wicker's knowledge into her mind, which is why she is able to manifest magic when she reads her books.. more or less. It's a very Monkey's Paw sort of trick, and may not be the case for every survivor's powers.

What I want to allude to is that Warly's mother may have either struck a deal with Maxwell herself after Warly was kidnapped, or have been affected by residual magic from the Constant having opened so close to her, as Warly appears to have been kidnapped right in front of her in the Taste of Home cinematic. The concept of her constantly wanting to rewind her old age would definitely be alluring or beneficial... and it likely could have backfired for Maxwell if she managed to escape into the past with her newfound powers for a time, leading to Wanda's own trailer. 

 

Uh, yeah that's actually all I have for now lol. If I have anything else I'll probably just edit this post to add to it later on, hopefully this leads to something. Thanks for reading anyways!

 

[loopuleasa]

If both look like grannies it doesn't mean they are the same granny.

[Qairon]

35 minutes ago, loopuleasa said:

If both look like grannies it doesn't mean they are the same granny.

Right, that's where I tried not to get this shot down at. I'm not denying that at all, if Wanda's a granny, she could be literally anyone's granny. A slight skin tone similarity to Warly doesn't amount to anything. 

But we know literally nothing about Wanda, besides that she makes clocks, is a time traveler, and is desperately trying to.. fix something. And that she's being hunted by shadows relentlessly... for something. 

Something interesting I never see anyone talk about is that Warly's grandmother canonically might be the only person in the world alive, or not directly able to get to and from the constant (like Wagstaff) that is confirmed to have seen someone be kidnapped by either Maxwell directly, or the snare of the Constant/Charlie's normal plot to get new victims. I'm almost positive Warly was kidnapped right in front of her eyes in the Taste of Home cinematic, but Maxwell probably assumed her dementia was too severe, and didn't even bother to do an elaborate kidnapping on him. What if she's being hunted because she got better, knows, and maybe even learned magic or time traveling from being so close to the site of it happening as a byproduct?  I think knowledge like that is definitely something that would justify her being chased endlessly by Shadows all her life (or even in the past, since the Constant doesn't care about time or aging the same way as it does in the "main" world.)

Editted some grammar and phrasing because I suck at these kinds of posts lol

[Starlogy]

Sorry to debunk your theory, but...

Pointy nose

Not pointy nose

[Qairon]

7 minutes ago, Starlogy said:

Sorry to debunk your theory, but...

Pointy nose

Not pointy nose

Uh, you see.. all that time traveling she does has removed the excess cartilage from her nose, and.. yeah.

Nevermind, that's a good debunk lmao. I've got nothing! 

[Cheggf]

People keep making theories that the minority characters are related. 

[axxel]

12 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

People keep making theories that the minority characters are related. 

That doesn't mean they aren't unrelated. Wanda could've met Warly on the street or in the restaurant OR Wanda is actually blood-related and is (I don't know the numbers) the cousin (to some degree) or an (great) aunt. However, I leave specific relationship lore to Klei. Anyone remember Wilson and Willow being uncle and niece despite they are popular ships?

[Ohan]

56 minutes ago, Cheggf said:

People keep making theories that the minority characters are related. 

Ill assume its mostly harmless/clueless fanfiction but its really jarring. Old wanda and warly’s maman look nothing alike. 

Eye type is a huge character design element in DST. Warly’s mother has black beady eyes whereas wanda has white empty eyes. The only thing they have in common looks-wise is that theyre both old women of color. 

[flamboyant wolf]

and here I thought you'd talk about Wanda's forgetfulness. 

[maeslay]

6 hours ago, Ohan said:

Ill assume its mostly harmless/clueless fanfiction but its really jarring. Old wanda and warly’s maman look nothing alike. 

definitly clueless, ive seen people say with complete seriousness that woodie is Wx’s brother because his human silhouette kind of looked like it had a beard aha  

 

fantheories are just wacky sometimes

[SecretPizzaMan]

Guys, after a huge amount of analyzation, I've come the conclusion that Wilson and Willow are related. 

My reasoning? In the Wendy rework short you see Abagail when She was alive, and she looks an awful like Wendy (maybe they're twins???!?!?!? ?) and it's probably the same with Willow and Wilson it's just that one of them has yet to fall down from a cliff.

 

 

[Qairon]

11 hours ago, Cheggf said:

People keep making theories that the minority characters are related. 

 I wasn't aware that was a thing at all, and for the record, wasn't trying to push some sort of agenda. Pretty new to interacting with the forums.  It's unfortunate if that's what people took away from my post, but I just wanted to get that out of the way.

 

10 hours ago, Ohan said:

Ill assume its mostly harmless/clueless fanfiction but its really jarring. Old wanda and warly’s maman look nothing alike. 

Eye type is a huge character design element in DST. Warly’s mother has black beady eyes whereas wanda has white empty eyes. The only thing they have in common looks-wise is that theyre both old women of color. 

Klei has always taken a backseat in establishing storytelling, but gave plenty of lore for the most part, and I enjoy that it leaves a lot of room for theorycrafting. It was a big part of why I enjoyed Dark Souls so much, you're given mostly just raw examination text, maybe a few cutscenes, and you're left to figure out the rest on your own.

For instance, it took Klei almost 5 years to confirm that Wendy was related to Maxwell via the William Carter puzzles, and even much later to officially just make an animation about it. This isn't a criticism of their work ethic at all, they're focused mostly on gameplay, and that's generally what I've always cared about. Damn is it a good game.

I'm aware this is a dumb theory and I have very little argument to support it, (and it probably came across as racist honestly) but it's one I'm willing to put out there. It's been pretty disproven already based on how different they look as pointed out, which I'm really glad to have been shown. It shows how little I appreciate this art style's character design and I need to work on that. Huge takeaway from this post. You're also absolutely right that the eye types are a big deal.

8 hours ago, skile said:

and here I thought you'd talk about Wanda's forgetfulness. 

That's a great point, I did allude to it in my earliest reply when I mentioned Warly's mother having dementia/Alzheimer's, but that was overlooked really fast apparently. It is what it is. No harm in at least adding a section to the post, though I'm past the point of being able to convince anyone 

[Cheggf]

4 hours ago, Gramugazy said:

 I wasn't aware that was a thing at all, and for the record, wasn't trying to push some sort of agenda. Pretty new to interacting with the forums.  It's unfortunate if that's what people took away from my post, but I just wanted to get that out of the way.

I don't think any of you have an agenda, you just see a single aspect of the characters and jump to conclusions. It also happens with other things like hair, but skin color seems to be the most popular. I don't mean to discredit you or the rest of the things you've said.

[Falkenpelz]

While all other characters live in early 20th century, Wanda seems to originate from an earlier time period, as electricy is a "newfangeled" thing for her. And yes, the nose is different....

[MondayNight]

What's with this obsession of fans and series characters being related by blood? There's no grand familial scheme out there. Most times stuff happens purely randomly, without rhyme or reason. C'est la vie.

[lowercase skye]

Hey I wanna be harsher about this actually, I'm sure you don't have purposely bad intentions but its REALLY REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE how literally any character who isn't white is theorized to be related to be blood related to Warly. It was uncomfortable with Walter and it's uncomfortable here :/ Warly's maman and old Wanda look almost entirely different visually, they're just both old women.

[LiamAshvinn001]

Um.. Wanda may not remember everything because she's been time travelling through so many timelines, and she doesn't forget everything every 5 seconds. While I don't think Wanda herself is in any way related to Warly. Perhaps instead of the Wanda WE know, perhaps in this timeline, the alternate timeline Wanda here is related to Warly? I feel anyways this theory doesn't really seem likely. 

[MadMatt]

7 hours ago, sylvia wander o said:

Hey I wanna be harsher about this actually, I'm sure you don't have purposely bad intentions but its REALLY REALLY UNCOMFORTABLE how literally any character who isn't white is theorized to be related to be blood related to Warly. It was uncomfortable with Walter and it's uncomfortable here :/ Warly's maman and old Wanda look almost entirely different visually, they're just both old women.

To be fair atleast the connection between Wanda and Warly's maman is just connecting two characters with the vaguest of similarities. How tf does Walter have ANY connection to Warly??? What was the reasoning for that?

[Maxposting]

nooo

[YumoS]