The "hate" against the game vs. the frustration against Wolfgang's dumbbells

[MondayNight]

7 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

For boss fights just panflute the boss an use the gembell while it sleeps if playing solo.

If not playing solo most bosses will die before you need to actually work out again atleast from my experience.

Only dumbell you should throw is the rock one, and only at birds, goats or koalafants, rest of the time its a gimmick.

So the bent-over-backwards solution is... wasting even more resources when we can have a neat Wolf balance from KLei's side? When the simple route would be "double the Dumb-bells durability across the board and maintain Might during fight as you do when carrying heavy objects"?! By this point I kinda want to know why certain people defend so much the current "beaten up" version of Wolf regarding Dumb-bells effectiveness and Mightiness loss.

Likewise is not me who's pro "Dumb-bells throwing" mechanic as a solution for above-pointed Wolf shortcomings. I stated in past this new facet of Wolf is purely for the lols and a last-case-scenario when really needing Morsels or aggroing a mob (Koale for example), and of course for that one should use default rock variant.

[Cloakingsumo198]

6 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

But old wolfgang pointless hunger drain meant you needlessly wasted food while base building. The new wolfgang is much better for chilling at base compared to the old one.

I agree, in regards to eating food to maintain mighty in base old wolf ate more. But I find new wolf to be more way more annoying in every fashion when it comes to maintaining.

Old wolf had to eat a filler ever every 15 seconds to stay at 300 OR he could just wait out until reaching 150 and slam down a single meaty stew and instantly go back double damage and maintenance through filler.

New wolf I must maintain my hunger above 150 for slower might drain which makes eating lots of the crockpot dishes slightly inefficient so I'm still chugging random fillers.  If I get to busy and want to get to mighty from 0 on boss gym with an empty stomach I must eat first, workout and lose hunger, than determine which meal + filler combination is enough to return back to 200 depending on how much hunger I lost working out then go back to carrying all my filler + a dumbbell.

Honestly using the boss gym for single pumps does wonders on helping your hunger.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

24 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

Why? Why is so hard, more-so as a non-main Wolfgang, to accept best course of action in this case is: double the Dumb-bells durability across the board and maintain Might during fight as you do when carrying heavy objects?!

best course of action because you say. You are askin for keep his mechanic stuck on "press F to win", some of us wanna something more dynamic than that even when our suggestions arent the best

how many hours played with wolf i need to be allowed to share my opinion? im really curious

[MondayNight]

1 minute ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

best course of action because you say. You are askin for keep his mechanic stuck on "press F to win", some of us wanna something more dynamic than that even when our suggestions arent the best

how many hours played with wolf i need to be allowed to share my opinion? im really curious

So the fun of current mechanic is .. idling in a corner, watching animation, from time to time. Got it. Quite dynamic I must say.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

2 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

So the bent-over-backwards solution is... wasting even more resources when we can have a neat Wolf balance from KLei's side?

idk why that user said something about using pan flute. You dont need that, you only need to know the timings of your enemies and do what you did with old wolf but instead of spamming food you pump 1 or 2 times before the enemy hits you

all this drama when is basically the same waste of time. 2 seconds eating food here, 2 seconds eating food there

is the same. i guess having crafting and picking animations triggers you too since 2 seconds here 2 seconds there...bundle wrap is a very boring item i guess

i know the rework doesnt bring anything fun and new but the complains and suggestion comes to fix nothing since people complain for things that can be said for the old version and suggestion comes to even make him more flat (not having to manage the meter) or more slow (not only he doesn't have speed boost but also sacrifices walking cane to walk with the dumbbells like a granny doing footing).

the only thing that really changed is his speed boost that was the funnier thing, the rest of the complains are just already annoying things that shines because of that core lost

 

[Cloakingsumo198]

1 hour ago, Gashzer said:

Don't want klei changing the rework due to a 100 "we hate reworked wolfgang" threads coming from only 4 or so people

Only feels that way since it's alot of the same faces that are willing to argue as the threads go on, you should look at who post the threads instead and it goes farther back into the beta discussions.

1 hour ago, Gashzer said:

Says the crowd spamming hate on a very good rework, practically trolling on klei's hard work.

Pretty sure you're underestimating the toughness of Klei. Have some faith in their ability to take feedback and backlash. They already knew there would be a storm from Wolfgang's rework they won't break from some forum posts lol.

[ArubaroBeefalo]

3 minutes ago, x0-VERSUS-1y said:

So the fun of current mechanic is .. idling in a corner, watching animation, from time to time. Got it. Quite dynamic I must say.

??? you understood what you wished. I was refering to adding something dynamic instead of your "best course of action" that basically is "forget about the new meter like it doesnt exists" which is what happens with wigfrid with all the potential that the inspiration bar had (like having her passives attached to it instead of being a free thing or throwing the spear at the cost of inspiration)

[Dextops]

37 minutes ago, Mysterious box said:

their

they're* argument invalidated 2 electric boogaloo 

[BezKa]

1 minute ago, Dextops said:

they're

Can you quit it already. 

[Cloakingsumo198]

7 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

 (like having her passives attached to it instead of being a free thing )

This just sounds terrible.  I would rather she didn't lose inspiration then, like how wortox stores souls, she'll store her inspiration, and gain more songs to use outside of combat. Then we'll do your change perhaps..... but making her damage and damage resistance pretty much apply to only bosses sounds bad overall.

[MondayNight]

5 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

??? you understood what you wished. I was refering to adding something dynamic instead of your "best course of action" that basically is "forget about the new meter like it doesnt exists" which is what happens with wigfrid with all the potential that the inspiration bar had (like having her passives attached to it instead of being a free thing or throwing the spear at the cost of inspiration)

Throwing Dumb-bells, like supposedly throwing a Spear, amounts to nothing in the end (unless a throw does 200 dmg or-the-like) - it solely breaks the kite pattern for additional gimmicks without payoff. Is fun for the first 3-4 times when you try it. Won't be practical and won't be used en large. Will be like Walter's Firecamp stories - someone, somewhere will employ it, either in desperate need of sanity to no avail (they will still die from shadows), for meme moments (there are mods replacing his normal stories with licentious amalgamations), or because idling while scratching Meatballs in irl. Play pubs and see what people do beyond meme moments.

[Sweaper]

21 minutes ago, ArubaroBeefalo said:

best course of action because you say. You are askin for keep his mechanic stuck on "press F to win", some of us wanna something more dynamic than that even when our suggestions arent the best

how many hours played with wolf i need to be allowed to share my opinion? im really curious

He still is press F to win just like Wilson

[ArubaroBeefalo]

1 minute ago, Sweaper said:

He still is press F to win just like Wilson

yes, i didnt say other thing

[Sweaper]

Just now, ArubaroBeefalo said:

yes, i didnt say other thing

Then whatever he is asking shouldn't be a problem

[Mike23Ua]

Wolfgang is a COWARD you can see this portrayed in several inspection quotes, in several art vignettes, And even in his own animated short where he Jumps out of the way of Tiny Mouse exposing himself as a Fraud Relying upon using Magic Act props to give the “Illusion” of Ultimate Mightiness, He RAN from TINY MOUSE..

So: I think it seems like a perfectly fitting suggestion for me to feel he should be able to hide inside of a Bush Hat and pump his dumbells while hiding in the bush until he was Mighty, not only does this give the bush hat more utility: But it Also reinforces the fact WOLFGANG IS A BIG MIGHTY COWARD..

I have my gripes about this rework: but they’re minimal at best-

Cost for Dumbells too expensive either lower crafting cost or increase durability.

Stone Dumbells are small and therefore should ALWAYS be throwable even without needing to be “Mighty” Which would allow Wolfgang to more easily collect Morsels for Bunny Stew & Gold.

Being “Mighty” does not feel special enough: I was expecting to be able to do things like pick up Antlion boulders over my head with two hands while still wearing a backpack, and Throw these as Weapons- as he is seemingly seen doing in the main menu animation.

[Capybara007]

5 hours ago, Gashzer said:

Says the crowd spamming hate on a very good rework, practically trolling on klei's hard work.

I want it to stay as is, hence why I want to show some support for the rework since most forum users hate it.

If most forums users hate it doesnt it mean its poorly developed? Or just because you like it it has to be an objective win?

5 hours ago, Gashzer said:

But old wolfgang pointless hunger drain meant you needlessly wasted food while base building. The new wolfgang is much better for chilling at base compared to the old one.

Why do you bring up the base building card? Wolfgang was never meant to be for base building, if you like base building good for you but there are players that like rushing objetives they make for themselves.

[Mike23Ua]

5 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

If most forums users hate it doesnt it mean its poorly developed? Or just because you like it it has to be an objective win?

Why do you bring up the base building card? Wolfgang was never meant to be for base building, if you like base building good for you but there are players that like rushing objetives they make for themselves.

I dont build a mega base, I nomad all over the map, and Reworked Wolfgang is still better then the Old one.

here are a few reasons why:

Might is no longer tied to Hunger- As in I can be starving to death with no food at all in my inventory and as long as I have a Dumbell to get Mighty I can kill the wave of Hounds that are coming (and hey you even get warning barks before they ever show up giving you ample time to do so..)

Hunger no longer drains at 3x as fast meaning, I’m in no immediate danger of entering full starvation Status.

Stone Dumbells are Excellent both for getting out of Wimpy stage: And for throwing at birds that will often land near you for both Morsels and Gold. Which can be exchanged in a Crockpot for Bunny Stew a new food recipe that heals for 20 HP and provides warmth, or the Morsels can be given to Pig King to rush:

Gold Dumbells which I actually dont recommend using these as projectiles.. it’s a waste of resources. But their main purpose is to get from Average shape to Mighty.

Gembell: This one I wouldn’t ever throw at all, it’s expensive and really only best used to maintain mighty once you reach it.

Not so sure about on PC but for Xbox gamers you will do a lot of just standing around doing nothing, mostly because gee I don’t know: You actually have to be kissable close to your campfire to fuel it instead of dragging and dropping fuel into the fire.. so ANY TIME I Need to refuel a campfire (which would be at dark, or when I need to keep my thermal stone Hot/Cold) Instead of just standing around doing absolutely nothing I can now also lift a weight to earn or maintain strength while I stand around doing nothing.

This rework isn’t as bad as some of you agg it on to be.. I mean is it perfect? No.. but it’s also not completely awful either.

[Cloakingsumo198]

I dunno about any of you but the only times I place campfires when roaming is because I HAVE something to do at night and need that static light/warmth.

I can't take advantage of this downtime to do fighting,harvesting,crafting, or cooking because I have to lift the dumbbell instead to maintain my mighty.

Essentially take the the time you would do literally anything else. And keep interrupting it with the time dumbbells will take away.

[HowlVoid]

I think one of the reasons Wolfgang's might doesn't shine too much is because of the lack of interactions that would require increased strength.

The only two noteworthy being rowing and carrying heavy objects. They could add a few more interactions so it has more uses outside of battle like trawling, voltgoat wrangling, bolas throwing, and hog-tying and carrying animals. 

Some useful and some for funnies. 

[Capybara007]

12 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I dont build a mega base, I nomad all over the map, and Reworked Wolfgang is still better then the Old one.

here are a few reasons why:

Might is no longer tied to Hunger- As in I can be starving to death with no food at all in my inventory and as long as I have a Dumbell to get Mighty I can kill the wave of Hounds that are coming (and hey you even get warning barks before they ever show up giving you ample time to do so..)

Hunger no longer drains at 3x as fast meaning, I’m in no immediate danger of entering full starvation Status.

Stone Dumbells are Excellent both for getting out of Wimpy stage: And for throwing at birds that will often land near you for both Morsels and Gold. Which can be exchanged in a Crockpot for Bunny Stew a new food recipe that heals for 20 HP and provides warmth, or the Morsels can be given to Pig King to rush:

Gold Dumbells which I actually dont recommend using these as projectiles.. it’s a waste of resources. But their main purpose is to get from Average shape to Mighty.

Gembell: This one I wouldn’t ever throw at all, it’s expensive and really only best used to maintain mighty once you reach it.

Not so sure about on PC but for Xbox gamers you will do a lot of just standing around doing nothing, mostly because gee I don’t know: You actually have to be kissable close to your campfire to fuel it instead of dragging and dropping fuel into the fire.. so ANY TIME I Need to refuel a campfire (which would be at dark, or when I need to keep my thermal stone Hot/Cold) Instead of just standing around doing absolutely nothing I can now also lift a weight to earn or maintain strength while I stand around doing nothing.

This rework isn’t as bad as some of you agg it on to be.. I mean is it perfect? No.. but it’s also not completely awful either.

I know that its better for long lasting worlds now, but my point is that not all players like long lasting worlds. 

[Mike23Ua]

6 minutes ago, Capybara007 said:

I know that its better for long lasting worlds now, but my point is that not all players like long lasting worlds. 

You don’t really even need a “long lasting” world, I can rush Prestihatitator by like day 4 or 5 & already have 2/3 Gembells in my inventory. 
 

But I think where people are doing wrong (and I discovered early on) is that the Stone Dumbell is BEST for going from Wimpy to Average, that’s it… using it past that point is actually slow and painful unless thrown as projectiles.

Once you hit Average: think of it like actually working out- When you got a little bit of muscle going.. those 5Lb weights you struggled to pick up when you were skinny & weak are now effortless to lift and therefore- Won’t help you gain more muscle because at that point your really not working out anymore: This is where Gold Dumbells (let’s pretend their 15Lb) will come into play and are best used to go from Average Mightiness to Mighty- but once again that 15Lb weight becomes effortlessly easy once you got more muscle so if you really want to flex those arms- you gotta step it up to lifting 30Lb Gembells.

Sounds logical: But some people are trying to use GOLD or GEM Dumbells to go from Wimpy to full on Mighty: This is a waste of Time and also valuable resources.

And I’ll give you a logical explanation as to why: When you try to lift a 30Lb weight when your only capable of lifting the 5Lb one you may lift it but it’s going to feel like an absolute Eternity in doing so… and you’ll waste more time NOT getting the work out you need had you just lifted the 5lbs till you could lift 15Lb as easy as you could 5Lb and THEN move up to that last weight limit.

There’s nothing super late game about reworked Wolfgang, you can get A Gym set up on day 1 and likely have Eye of Terror boss statues on it by Day 2.

Another thing to point out: is that once you kill EoT and have the Eye Mask instead of wasting food to keep Wolfgang Mighty, you can feed that food to Eye Mask to keep it Repaired.

I actually genuinely enjoy this rework: But there’s ways Klei can improve it.

[Yuuko]

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

There’s nothing super late game about reworked Wolfgang, you can get A Gym set up on day 1 and likely have Eye of Terror boss statues on it by Day 2.

Really?  You're "likely" to have day 1 gym, and day 2 EoT statues?  What is your consistency on this?  I call bs lol

[Mike23Ua]

17 minutes ago, Shosuko said:

Really?  You're "likely" to have day 1 gym, and day 2 EoT statues?  What is your consistency on this?  I call bs lol

Hammering down 2 pig houses will get you everything you need minus the rope. You’ll also get Pig Skin &/Or Hambat if you kill the accompanying pigs, you said you bought the game on Console- So you should know Pig Houses are everywhere, and not just everywhere.. sometimes literally right at the florid as soon as you spawn in. (Which I actually have a video of somewhere)

Guess it depends on how your world generates: And what’s near you but if you can find so much as one pig house your golden.

[Yuuko]

4 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Hammering down 2 pig houses will get you everything you need minus the rope. You’ll also get Pig Skin &/Or Hambat if you kill the accompanying pigs, you said you bought the game on Console- So you should know Pig Houses are everywhere, and not just everywhere.. sometimes literally right at the florid as soon as you spawn in. (Which I actually have a video of somewhere)

Guess it depends on how your world generates: And what’s near you but if you can find so much as one pig house your golden.

Yeah but you said day 1 gym, and day 2 EoT.  Overlooking that a gym is probably the worst structure to build day 1, I'm still doubtful this is "likely."

[Sweaper]

45 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

I dont build a mega base, I nomad all over the map, and Reworked Wolfgang is still better then the Old one.

here are a few reasons why:

Might is no longer tied to Hunger- As in I can be starving to death with no food at all in my inventory and as long as I have a Dumbell to get Mighty I can kill the wave of Hounds that are coming (and hey you even get warning barks before they ever show up giving you ample time to do so..)

If Wolfs could maintain mighty in public servers and still have food for everyone then they can in private worlds, his hunger was never a problem if one knew to kill spiders

50 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Hunger no longer drains at 3x as fast meaning, I’m in no immediate danger of entering full starvation Status.

You can't start starving from 3x hunger draining, that multiplier would drop before you start starving.

 

52 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Stone Dumbells are Excellent both for getting out of Wimpy stage: And for throwing at birds that will often land near you for both Morsels and Gold. Which can be exchanged in a Crockpot for Bunny Stew a new food recipe that heals for 20 HP and provides warmth, or the Morsels can be given to Pig King to rush:

It's better to stay Wimpy if you're not going Mighty, thermal stone doesn't care about his insulation so temperature isn't an issue, early/mid game hounds are easy to deal with as Wimpy while late you won't want to press F against them and staying Wimpy saves on resources in the long run. Just use the starting stone dumbell to speed some of the early grind killing pigs. Maintaining default Wolfgang isn't really worth the resources, not to mention the small nerf with meaty stew on him if you want to keep might from lowering faster