Gi-Go Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Klei make characters compromising by the very definition. Every single downside can be countered in this game with natural methods, and yet klei feel the need to compromise even further by adding character original methods to neglect their supposed weak point. For exsample: Wanda is supposedly a glass canon, yet one of her perk is aimed specificly at making night armor a valid choice. This thing makes houds deal 1 damage btw. And she also gets invincibility. Wormwood's downside is difficulty with healing, and yet the best healing food still works. A single bee queen kill gives you more healing than 90 potatoes. To top it off, klei desided to add new method of healing with manure and rot just for him. Warly the picky eater dosen't eat raw, yet has portable crockpot. His food variety can be ignored by simply eating all food at once. Wurt the vegan gains extra hunger from food, making it as good as meat. Wortox who has food eating downside just eats souls. Abi loses max hp upgrade when dies, and yet sistern offers rapid gain. You get the point. Other downsides can't even be called downsides with how trivial they are. I thought that Wolfgang needs a buff but then i thought again and desided that naaah. Just nerfs everyone else and give them REAL downsides. Exsamples: Wanda's upsides are OP as heck, give her brutal downside to compensate. She has age meter not hp, so make her take full damage even in armor. Except for bone armor, thulecite bubble and meaby snurtle shell. There you go - hard to play glass canon. Wormwood has easy endless food and easy endless sanity. Make him suffer while restoring hp then. Food dosen't heal him. So no jellybeans. No poop heals either that kills the whole point. Make him work for glands or use batbat. Abigail is overpowered. Punish players for letting her die. No instant ressumon, no hp gain speed up. Make Wendy fragile, make her dependable. Reduce her damage. Make her loose sanity with dead abi. Make shadows her weakpoint. Make Wurt proper vegan. Make her starve herself like real vegans do. Make eggs unusable in veggie dishes, remove the hunger gain buff. Same to merms. Rework Warly. Make him an actual picky eater by stealing ideas from "picky eater" mod. Make him hate food forever untill he eats 10 different dishes. Make him cycle though food instead of just overdosing on meatballs. Just make some real downsides to play around with, and not this easy to ignore stuff for casuals and babies. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Echsrick Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 no just no Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloakingsumo198 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 6 minutes ago, Dr.Medic said: no just no Yes. Spoiler Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530568 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Be careful what you wish for.. Klei’s intentions could be to make everyone easy to play and then later add a harder difficulty that does exactly what your asking for. And if you think I’m joking: You don’t know Klei that well. The biggest nerfs in all of Dont Starve franchise History however are Disease & Warbucks: They did exist once.. but we don’t talk about either of them anymore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530569 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hornete Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Yawn. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capybara007 Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Wanda op posts are so 2021 amr Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530579 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eughstein Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Oh yeah, nerfing wurt so even less people would play as her... 1 hour ago, Gi-Go said: Make Wurt proper vegan. Make her starve herself like real vegans do. Make eggs unusable in veggie dishes, remove the hunger gain buff. Same to merms. Wurt IS NOT VEGAN.She can't eat meat, but not because she don't want to, but she just simply can't eat it, like humans can't eat rocks.Also after that playing character will be literally hell and playing wes at this point would sound as a heaven. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkeleGamer Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Wanda and Abigal deserve a nerf of sorts, but these suggestions are really not good, in fact, they are awful Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530587 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 3 minutes ago, SkeleGamer said: Wanda and Abigal deserve a nerf of sorts, but these suggestions are really not good, in fact, they are awful How come? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530589 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Horsheen Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 hour ago, Gi-Go said: Abigail is overpowered. Punish players for letting her die. No instant ressumon, no hp gain speed up. Make Wendy fragile, make her dependable. Reduce her damage. Make her loose sanity with dead abi. Make shadows her weakpoint. This whole post is straight up garbage but I found this the funniest part if I'm being honest If you're summoning Abigail straight after she dies....why? Shadows already are Wendy's weak point, since it takes her 25% longer than Wilson to kill a shadow creature and Abigail won't target shadows Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530591 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mr. brj Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, SkeleGamer said: Wanda and Abigal deserve a nerf of sorts, but these suggestions are really not good, in fact, they are awful I'm sure that the OP is using satire to make a point. A bit aggressive in my tastes, but I chose to interpret it as "instead of nerfing a single character and removing their fun aspects, make every character a Wanda, a Wendy, or an unreworked Wolfgang". I'm a horrible translator though. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530592 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 27 minutes ago, Eughstein said: Oh yeah, nerfing wurt so even less people would play as her... Wurt IS NOT VEGAN.She can't eat meat, but not because she don't want to, but she just simply can't eat it, like humans can't eat rocks.Also after that playing character will be literally hell and playing wes at this point would sound as a heaven. The reason people don't play Wurt is cuz she is mad ugly. At least that's why i neglect her. And the nerf I suggested honestly dosen't achieve anything nor makes her harder. I just don't like crutches klei add to downsides. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530593 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dextops Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, Gi-Go said: The reason people don't play Wurt is cuz she is mad ugly. really gotta say it like that huh? anyway i think a bigger wurt priority should be makin the damn merms more smart or giving them toe ability to swim so they don't get stuck on the edge of the world Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530594 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 1 minute ago, Dextops said: really gotta say it like that huh? anyway i think a bigger wurt priority should be makin the damn merms more smart or giving them toe ability to swim so they don't get stuck on the edge of the world I don't mean it like ew merms. I love merms. It's just klei did such an awful job at her model it looks like a very bad character mod. Her oversized head dosen't fit in any hat, she used to didn't had toes and klei fixed it by cutting off part of her torso. Why is she off model? Is it a joke about her being a tadpole? Making merms swim is a great idea but this post is not about buffs it's about downsides that will trigger people. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eughstein Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 9 minutes ago, Gi-Go said: The reason people don't play Wurt is cuz she is mad ugly. At least that's why i neglect her. And the nerf I suggested honestly dosen't achieve anything nor makes her harder. I just don't like crutches klei add to downsides. Webber wormwood wortox wigfrid wx Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530598 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Eughstein said: Webber wormwood wortox wigfrid wx What about em? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530602 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eughstein Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 Just now, Gi-Go said: What about em? Even more ugly Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530603 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bugsworth Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Gi-Go said: klei desided to add new method of healing what's desided Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530604 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 Just now, Bugsworth said: what's desided Decided* Have mercy, English is not my native. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530605 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eughstein Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 minutes ago, Gi-Go said: Decided* Have mercy, English is not my native. Grammatical issue I win Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530607 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 18 minutes ago, Eughstein said: Webber wormwood wortox wigfrid At least their heads fit into hats. This is just sad. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530609 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mysterious box Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 33 minutes ago, Gi-Go said: The reason people don't play Wurt is cuz she is mad ugly. At least that's why i neglect her. And the nerf I suggested honestly dosen't achieve anything nor makes her harder. I just don't like crutches klei add to downsides. No the reason people don't play her is broken ai, mass resource dumps, babysitting, low payout in vs other characters but that's a whole can of worms for another day I guess. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530610 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flarezen Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 I didn't know April Fools was today Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530611 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted January 4, 2022 Share Posted January 4, 2022 2 hours ago, Gi-Go said: Klei make characters compromising by the very definition. Every single downside can be countered in this game with natural methods, and yet klei feel the need to compromise even further by adding character original methods to neglect their supposed weak point. It's called balance. A character with only downsides wouldn't be a DST character, not to mention boring. Balancing the downsides with the upsides is the character "loop" and may result in how one approaches the core gameplay. Characters may range from being simplistic in that loop, like Wendy or being very complex and dynamic like Wanda. How much or how little in difficulty you'd like within the range of that "loop" is called character preference. Allowing for a large selection in preferences is called a good roster. Though you may disagree with a person's preference that does not make your decision better than theirs. There may be a need for a bit of fine-tuning for how some characters interact with the core gameplay, but nothing that ruins the game or is unfixable. Hopefully that clears things up :). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530612 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gi-Go Posted January 4, 2022 Author Share Posted January 4, 2022 39 minutes ago, Horsheen said: If you're summoning Abigail straight after she dies....why? Shadows already are Wendy's weak point, since it takes her 25% longer than Wilson to kill a shadow creature and Abigail won't target shadows Instantly resummoned abi is still incredibly powerful. She can still slay hordes of spiders, she can still deal damage, she can still destruct shadow bishop, she can still be used in any combat where the agro is not on her. Burning bishops, treeguard you name it. Even if she dies again she usually lands another hit before doing so. Utility. This charcater is zero sweat and I was hoping to give her at least a little bit of downsides to notice. 25% less damage on shadows what a joke of a weak point. 17 minutes ago, HowlVoid said: It's called balance. A character with only downsides wouldn't be a DST character, not to mention boring. Balancing the downsides with the upsides is the character "loop" and may result in how one approaches the core gameplay. I mean... isn't this what my point was? None of the charcaters have impactful downsides right now and I was hoping to get some to balance out the upsides. My favorite of the ones I mentioned is Wanda having no benefit from armor. Is it too brutal? Well, Wanda definetly won't be a piece of cake. But she already has methods to counter. Double range makes it hard for enemies to hit her, and so are i-frames. Once you get bone armor you will even have room for mistakes. Snurle shell will get attention it deserves. People could combo it with thulecite crown. Young Wanda still deals better damage than solo Wilson if you are afraid of dying in 1 hit. And her heal clock cancels damage meaning you can survive any single hit with good reaction. She will still have her awesome upsides but she won't be anything to sneeze at. Meanwhile current Wanda is... uh... what was her downside again? 40 hp in granny form? What a nightmare. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/136715-nerf-everyone/#findComment-1530613 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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