wefoij Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Gender is a very hot topic these days. I think Klei can capitalize on this by having noncanon gender flipped skins. Games that let players select their genders are more popular than games that don't. Look at every MMORPG in existence. They all let players choose their character's genders. I think Klei can capitalize on this by having noncanon gender flipped skins. Customizability not only makes the game more enjoyable to others, but it also increases the games profits. I think Klei can capitalize on this by having noncanon gender flipped skins. Some people only like to play characters who are the same gender as them and feel weird when they play genders opposite of them. I think by making noncanon skins that gender flip the characters the game would attract a larger player base make more money without much effort. I think Klei making gender flip skins of characters and charging them premium skin prices would make a fortune so I think they should do it so they can make more money Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xtron135 Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 Exactly true!! Im a male, I like robots and tech stuff. Really love playing WX. Winona's tech is super good, I wanted to try, but she is a 'she'. So thats kinda reduce my interest bcs I cannot 'represent' myself as a male engineer in game. Another thing is I really hope if they can drag Wagstaff into DST too. His tech also kinda fun. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516547 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazJoe Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I guess "cross-dressing skin" would be the word here. One existing skin that has this effect already is Winona's Gorge event skin (maybe some others as well, but this one is particular imo). Monster characters such as Webber, Wurt, Wormwood and Wortox don't need to cross-dress (ok, maybe Wortox). As for beard, turn it to extra hair. Would be funny to see the hair start covering the face. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516557 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefoij Posted November 24, 2021 Author Share Posted November 24, 2021 5 hours ago, KrazJoe said: I guess "cross-dressing skin" would be the word here. One existing skin that has this effect already is Winona's Gorge event skin (maybe some others as well, but this one is particular imo). Monster characters such as Webber, Wurt, Wormwood and Wortox don't need to cross-dress (ok, maybe Wortox). As for beard, turn it to extra hair. Would be funny to see the hair start covering the face. no cant be cross dressing skin. you can already do that. give wolfgang a dress. but people who want to play a girl wont ever play wolfgang in a dress. skins are noncanon anyway so just go all the way and say in another world where maxwell was a girl. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516647 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HowlVoid Posted November 24, 2021 Share Posted November 24, 2021 I'd like to play as a male Wanda, in sandbox games I prefer to play as a male. Don't think Klei will ever do this though, they are very protective over their artistic vision. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516695 Share on other sites More sharing options...
goblinball Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 15 hours ago, wefoij said: Games that let players select their genders are more popular than games that don't. Tbh among us became incredibly popular for a short time because you can definitely select your gender in-game Tbh Zelda BotW is one of the highest rated games of all time because you can definitely choose your gender at the start of the game Tbh my favorite part of inscryption was how you can definitely choose your characters gender (if I didn’t make the joke clear enough, you cannot choose your character’s gender in any of these games) the list goes on but I think you get my point. Correlation does not equal causation, especially when said correlation doesn’t even exist. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516797 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefoij Posted November 25, 2021 Author Share Posted November 25, 2021 1 hour ago, goblinball said: Tbh among us became incredibly popular for a short time because you can definitely select your gender in-game Tbh Zelda BotW is one of the highest rated games of all time because you can definitely choose your gender at the start of the game Tbh my favorite part of inscryption was how you can definitely choose your characters gender (if I didn’t make the joke clear enough, you cannot choose your character’s gender in any of these games) the list goes on but I think you get my point. Correlation does not equal causation, especially when said correlation doesn’t even exist. You do know people went out of their way to make Linkle playable in BotW right? There are many selling points for a game. Character customizability is one of them and a big one at that too. Most tabletop RPG games' main pillars of success is giving the player the ability to customize their character far beyond what any video game can accomplish. A game can make up for lack of customizability with other things. But to say there's no correlation between a game's profits and its degree of character customizability based on what? 3 games that you took a cursory glance at? What are you trying to say here? Increased character customizability doesn't help game sales? The devs should not make gender flip skins because it won't make any money? MMORPGs wasted their money developing the feature that lets players choose their character's genders because the game would've performed identically without that feature? Klei wasted their time with character skins in DST because other successful games don't have skins? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 JoeW said the game was not structured in that way and it would take a VERY long time to restructure it in that way. I asked a simple question: Why can’t I simply put Willows head on Wolfgangs Body, or Why can’t I put Wilburs Monkey Face on Wortox? Why can’t Wilson have a Walani skin?? Apparently it’s just not possible outside of mods.. and that’s okay. Maybe someday if it gets enough demand I guess..? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516852 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thieverpedia Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 It's strange, I've never really payed attention to genders. I just play who I like, personally. But if it bugs people, maybe adding new skins to represent that would be the way to go. I feel like it'd take a while to re-do all the skins for gender swapped variants. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516883 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ArubaroBeefalo Posted November 25, 2021 Share Posted November 25, 2021 9 hours ago, wefoij said: MMORPGs wasted their money developing the feature that lets players choose their character's genders because the game would've performed identically without that feature for some reason people like to waste half an hour making their character to play in 3rd person with far away camera and an armor hiding it lmao Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1516893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefoij Posted November 26, 2021 Author Share Posted November 26, 2021 18 hours ago, Thieverpedia said: It's strange, I've never really payed attention to genders. I just play who I like, personally. But if it bugs people, maybe adding new skins to represent that would be the way to go. I feel like it'd take a while to re-do all the skins for gender swapped variants. Not all skins. Just one skin. Just the head. Just one gender flipped head skin. Theres ton of male and female outfits so theres no reason to reskin anything. Im sure wolfgang skin would look normal on a male wigfrid. 23 hours ago, Mike23Ua said: JoeW said the game was not structured in that way and it would take a VERY long time to restructure it in that way. I asked a simple question: Why can’t I simply put Willows head on Wolfgangs Body, or Why can’t I put Wilburs Monkey Face on Wortox? Why can’t Wilson have a Walani skin?? Apparently it’s just not possible outside of mods.. and that’s okay. Maybe someday if it gets enough demand I guess..? Yeah that's puzzling. Its just a texture change. If something that simple can't be done then its more like they just dont want to do it. We should make it clear that they would make a lot of money from this and this skin would most likely be the fastest and most selling skin they'll ever make! Then they'll have to make it for the money! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1517101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Capybara007 Posted November 27, 2021 Share Posted November 27, 2021 Just because you like the idea it will be the top seller skin? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1517448 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheMelonNinja Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 I like to think that people enjoy the Don't Starve characters for their abilities and unique personalities, not because of their gender, since they are actively fully realized characters unlike the boring self-inserts that MMO/RPGs have. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1517582 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HellHeater Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 personally i dont care about playing with the opposite gender character it would just be fun to see how would chaarcters look like in a different gender so i wish klei does this Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1517606 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GNGR bred boi Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 Too bad they removed the wardrobe glitch it was funny to look like willow and then transform into a moose as Woodie and to play as a character and have a different character's idle animation just looked so uncanny but also hilarious. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1517626 Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarlZalph Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 On 11/26/2021 at 12:26 AM, wefoij said: Not all skins. Just one skin. Just the head. Just one gender flipped head skin. Theres ton of male and female outfits so theres no reason to reskin anything. Im sure wolfgang skin would look normal on a male wigfrid. Yeah that's puzzling. Its just a texture change. If something that simple can't be done then its more like they just dont want to do it. Strings and translations would need to be updated too since each character has a set pronoun selection. Then there's the petite characters having thinner frames which may require changes. The character big avatar portraits would need to be updated. Additional items generated. There'd be more work involved than a simple texture change from an artist for things to remain consistent with the other content in the game. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1517730 Share on other sites More sharing options...
wefoij Posted November 28, 2021 Author Share Posted November 28, 2021 2 hours ago, CarlZalph said: Strings and translations would need to be updated too since each character has a set pronoun selection. Then there's the petite characters having thinner frames which may require changes. The character big avatar portraits would need to be updated. Additional items generated. There'd be more work involved than a simple texture change from an artist for things to remain consistent with the other content in the game. Hah, I haven't thought of the pronouns. That might be what they meant when they said that the engine wasn't designed for that because I don't think any quotes change due to skins. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1517766 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KrazJoe Posted November 28, 2021 Share Posted November 28, 2021 This is why I believe cross dress skin is fine. By cross dress, I don't mean clothing, makeup and hair are also part of it. And this is just like any other character skin. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/135584-gender-flip-skins-of-the-characters/#findComment-1517778 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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