Gravity in space?

[Tones]

I don't remember building a gravity generator, so why is carbon dioxide heavier than oxygen in a space capsule? Fair enough when the rocket is on the ground but totally unrealistic in micro-gravity. And I thought you guys prided yourselves on realistic physics? The pilot ought to float about too but I imagine that's a whole load of work just for artistic effect but please - in space each gas "weighs" the same and will mix following the rules of Brownian Motion.

Whilst we're on the subject, why are buildings in space capsules subject to the same constraints as if they were on a planet? Orientation doesn't matter in space. Just look at the ISS. Or did I miss something?

The whole space exploration thing is way more difficult than the old days - not that I'm objecting. It should be difficult and indeed dangerous. But I really do object when my pilot starts choking on her own CO2 because of gravity that doesn't exist. Then I get told there's not enough fuel to get home - presumably because I have filled the hold with a bloody great satellite - so that mass effect seems to be working at least.

[sakura_sk]

5 minutes ago, Tones said:

And I thought you guys prided yourselves on realistic physics?

Who compared ONI physics to actual Physics ...? ONI has coherent physics on its own but it never was "realistic" 

[NeoDeusMachina]

25 minutes ago, Tones said:

I don't remember building a gravity generator, so why is carbon dioxide heavier than oxygen in a space capsule? Fair enough when the rocket is on the ground but totally unrealistic in micro-gravity. And I thought you guys prided yourselves on realistic physics? The pilot ought to float about too but I imagine that's a whole load of work just for artistic effect but please - in space each gas "weighs" the same and will mix following the rules of Brownian Motion.

Whilst we're on the subject, why are buildings in space capsules subject to the same constraints as if they were on a planet? Orientation doesn't matter in space. Just look at the ISS. Or did I miss something?

The whole space exploration thing is way more difficult than the old days - not that I'm objecting. It should be difficult and indeed dangerous. But I really do object when my pilot starts choking on her own CO2 because of gravity that doesn't exist. Then I get told there's not enough fuel to get home - presumably because I have filled the hold with a bloody great satellite - so that mass effect seems to be working at least.

Pretty much what @sakura_sk said. ONI is not an accurate physics simulator in any way. Sure, there are some "more realistic" physics implemented, but we could make a -very- long list of things that defy the laws of physics in the game. Funny that the one thing you feel is off with the new space systems is the artificial gravity inside rockets. Have you also noticed that planets and space POIs are completely still? You rocket is not moving while orbiting a planet, it is standing still? Orbital mechanics apparently have been thrown out the windows. How does it make sense to talk about duponauts not floating when in space if they aren't even moving while orbiting a planet? Why does it seem like they are constantly burning fuel as they move, they should then be constantly accelerating, but that is not the case! In any case, you can either get stuck on those things or accept that ONI is not a physics simulator, move on, and enjoy the game for what it is.

I am not sure what the intent of your post was, it seems like you could be struggling with the new rockets mechanics and it made you unhappy so you made a post about it. It is quite understandable if you are not used to it, but as you get more experience and learn how to deal with the new systems, those frustrations will go away.

[Y_xiao]

 

55 minutes ago, Tones said:

why are buildings in space capsules subject to the same constraints as if they were on a planet?

Because their in the same space map

[gabberworld]

yeah i been think ed about gravity myself as well in space as there is none, but i guess its just a game.

 

[NeoDeusMachina]

There is gravity in space, it's just that the spacecraft is "falling" at the same rate as the people in it, so it "looks" like there is no gravity. Gravitational forces don't just stop because we're in space. I don't expect ONI to become a space simulator, so it will make less and less sense if they start adding gimmicks like "floating" in space without any of the underlying physics that explain it.

[Gurgel]

3 hours ago, Tones said:

And I thought you guys prided yourselves on realistic physics? 

You thought wrong. You may also have overlooked the tiny detail that ONI can never, under any circumstances, ever, have "realistic" Physics, because it is 2-dimensional. 

[NeoDeusMachina]

9 minutes ago, Gurgel said:

You thought wrong. You may also have overlooked the tiny detail that ONI can never, under any circumstances, ever, have "realistic" Physics, because it is 2-dimensional. 

Mind = blown.

[oosyrag]

4 hours ago, Tones said:

And I thought you guys prided yourselves on realistic physics? 

Lol pressure and heat mechanics would like to have a word with you.

For that matter why do you expect a tiny asteroid/planetoid to have any gravity worth talking about?

If your issue is CO2 buildup in rockets, try a carbon scrubber, oxyferns, or just use a pump to send it back to storage. Or you can just wear mask/suit for the majority of time with your bed/dock at the top. It would take a dupe 50+ cycles to fill up a rocket with CO2 if for some reason you really really don't want to deal with it.

[SeniorPuft]

6 hours ago, Tones said:

I don't remember building a gravity generator, so why is carbon dioxide heavier than oxygen in a space capsule? Fair enough when the rocket is on the ground but totally unrealistic in micro-gravity. And I thought you guys prided yourselves on realistic physics? The pilot ought to float about too but I imagine that's a whole load of work just for artistic effect but please - in space each gas "weighs" the same and will mix following the rules of Brownian Motion.

Whilst we're on the subject, why are buildings in space capsules subject to the same constraints as if they were on a planet? Orientation doesn't matter in space. Just look at the ISS. Or did I miss something?

The whole space exploration thing is way more difficult than the old days - not that I'm objecting. It should be difficult and indeed dangerous. But I really do object when my pilot starts choking on her own CO2 because of gravity that doesn't exist. Then I get told there's not enough fuel to get home - presumably because I have filled the hold with a bloody great satellite - so that mass effect seems to be working at least.

Kerbal Space Program is a pretty good simulation of orbital physics if you're interested. ONI will never have a "realistic" implementation of gravity. The planetoids (basically asteroids) would have small gravity wells as it is. It just gets chalked up to game engine limitations. We can gripe about how the game isn't what we thought or wanted or we can accept the game for what it is.

 

[SharraShimada]

Its

a

Game.

If you want real pyhsics in space, NASA and ESA are hiring right now.

[gabberworld]

3 hours ago, Gurgel said:

You thought wrong. You may also have overlooked the tiny detail that ONI can never, under any circumstances, ever, have "realistic" Physics, because it is 2-dimensional. 

yeah but 2d have gravity as well like it have in 3d , only difference is that in 3d it rotates to any direction

[Tytan]

oush, i don't remember my refrigerator being made of dirty or raw minerals other than alloys, rubber, plastic, magnets, etc.

wondered if everything had to be done literally? refrigerator would be one of the last things built due to its realistic complexity

maybe one day an atmosphere, gravity update...

 

10 hours ago, NeoDeusMachina said:

Funny that the one thing you feel is off

I laughed a lot when I saw this hahaha

3 hours ago, gabberworld said:

yeah but 2d have gravity as well like it have in 3d , only difference is that in 3d it rotates to any direction

I believe he meant that it is unrealistic because it is 2d, because life is 3d and not 2d, reality is 3d

[Jann5s]

Fun fact, there IS gravity in space. Micro gravity is a bit of a misnomer. You feel no gravity in the space station because you are accelerating (falling) at the same rate as gravity.

So, accelerating rockets should have the CO2 at the bottom, and I like to believe ONI rockets are always accelerating on their engines with 1G.

[Gurgel]

7 hours ago, Tytan said:

I believe he meant that it is unrealistic because it is 2d, because life is 3d and not 2d, reality is 3d

Pretty much all of real-world Physics breaks if you remove a dimension. You can still fake some things (like Gravity), but they will not be "realistic". Deal with it. ONI is not a Physics simulation. It has some Physics inspired aspects, but that is it.

[Padishar]

I agree ONI is not intended to be a real world physics simulation, however the physics of ONI is rather deep and complex in my opinion and that is one of the reason why the game is so successful. In fact, the game is very similar to a physics simulation, where you divide the space into points and at each one of these points you keep calculating the parameters associated to the point (for example the temperature).

[Tytan]

oh, one thing I forgot to comment... since they are complaining about the possibility of gravity in the space module as it travels

as our friend said before, it doesn't make sense for the rocket to continue using fuel to move through space as without the friction and thrust it would be using to launch itself it would just be wasting fuel for nothing as most of the work of a rocket when using fuel is to get out of the Earth's gravity, according to Newton's third law, from the point where the rocket started to suffer the least effects of the Earth's gravitation it would start to "fly" in one direction with its "locked" speed as it does not space doesn't have enough friction or gravity to make it lose momentum, not to mention that a rocket or anything that leaves the orbit doesn't go straight to a place, right, it waits for the right moments to take advantage of the gravitational slingshot, this talking about a very layman way and a lot of what I'm talking about may be wrongly stated since I'm not a professional in the area.

but, taking all of this into account and the fact that the oni's rocket continues to dump fuel even into space and obtains its final velocity, this causes a vertical g-force effect, as the object keeps moving continuously in one direction and following Newtonian laws , thus creating an artificial gravitational force "in the rocket" thus making the masses of objects follow their organization based on this new artificial gravity generated by their constant impulse

 

 

 

 

I laughed a lot writing this text kkkkkkkkk it could all be wrong, but it would still make sense to have gravity in the xD module

[Jann5s]

@Tytan, it does make sense to keep the engines on in space. First, you get at your goal faster. Second, you get gravity in your ship. In "The expanse" they use this regularly as a plot device (highly recommend this scifi show).

PS, I liked you post, glad you enjoyed yourself and us

 

[Tytan]

20 minutes ago, Jann5s said:

First, you get at your goal faster.

In this case yes, I was at the same time taking into account the real world and the oni, in the real world you would want to save as much fuel as possible to be able to optimize so much ground exit "which on current travel is where you spend a lot fuel" when maximizing the distance, because you can't create a rocket with the amount of fuel you want, you have to dose a lot since otherwise it will get very heavy "which is what happens in oni without dlc" each grass counts, i believe that nowadays the biggest problem of space travel is that this is the middle ground between having fuel for big trips while maintaining an ideal weight on the way out, maybe one day with some renewable fuel method in space or higher speeds hit

but if it's just a matter of time, step on the accelerator and I want to get there soon

21 minutes ago, Jann5s said:

Second, you get gravity in your ship

xD

20 minutes ago, Jann5s said:

The expanse

wow, the series is already 6 years old and I've never heard of it
I'll write it down here to watch later ♥

[Gurgel]

Well, in actual reality, there is no gravity in all of ONI! The trick is that every material has Directional Chewing Gum (TM) as a component and that glues everything together, while moving things into the direction that only _appears_ to be gravity!

[Tones]

Hmm. Seems I didn't realise the gravity of the situation. Still, thanks for the replies. Which basically said - live with it. Dammit, I didn't know about Directional Chewing Gum - there is so much to learn. Maybe research into DCG should be included in the tech tree?