Were Tungsten Volcanoes a mistake?

[Magheat2009]

Abyssalite melters are a complicated late game challenge. Now, that seem to have been replaced by the challenge of taming Tn volcanoes. There are quite a lot of volcanoes to tame with Cu, Co, Al, Ag, Fe and Tn volcanoes. It appears a little bit repetative to me. 

I like the addition of Niobium volcano and the challenge it provides. However, recipes work, its a little bit pointless.

I am not posting this in feedback forum, because I am not asking devs do something about it now, imo we have already acted like spoiled children enough. This is just meant to be a casual discussion around the topic.

 

[Sasza22]

If it`s overpowered they could lock it to the volcanic planetoid along with the niobium one so building an abyssalite melter requires taming that planetoid first.

[Magheat2009]

26 minutes ago, Sasza22 said:

If it`s overpowered they could lock it to the volcanic planetoid along with the niobium one so building an abyssalite melter requires taming that planetoid first.

I am not saying its overpowered, its just in Spaced Out Abyssalite melters have become a bit pointless.

[PhailRaptor]

10 hours ago, Magheat2009 said:

I am not saying its overpowered, its just in Spaced Out Abyssalite melters have become a bit pointless.

Is that...  bad?  My understanding is that originally Abyssalite was never meant to be meltable in the first place, and it only became a thing as a side effect of fixing various other temperature related bugs, like good old Drip Cooling.

That said...  what if instead of a Volcano, renewable Tungsten came from a critter?  We have the Beetas that require extreme cold to survive, and often won't live through a rocket trip back to the main base.  How about something that needs a minimum temperature even higher than a Molten Slickster?  With a relatively exotic dietary requirement to book.  Have them spawn on the Volcanic Planetoid.  Maybe add some lore files to suggest it was an unsanctioned project that developed it.  Typical evil genious can't stop themselves kind of thing.

I'm thinking some kind of worm-like creature, sort of like the Grubgrubs, visually occupying multiple tiles.  Can the Shearing Station be built of materials able to withstand that heat?  Use that to clip off plates from its body, which can then be put through the Refinery to make Tungsten.

[Coolthulhu]

10 hours ago, Magheat2009 said:

I am not saying its overpowered, its just in Spaced Out Abyssalite melters have become a bit pointless.

It was always a weird endgame trick that probably <0.1% of the players ever bothered with.

The problem is not tungsten volcanoes, it's abyssalite not having real uses.

[PhailRaptor]

3 minutes ago, Coolthulhu said:

It was always a weird endgame trick that probably <0.1% of the players ever bothered with.

The problem is not tungsten volcanoes, it's abyssalite not having real uses.

...feed it to a worm thing, that can be sheared for Tungsten?  Sounds like a pretty exotic diet to me.

[Magheat2009]

3 hours ago, PhailRaptor said:

My understanding is that originally Abyssalite was never meant to be meltable in the first place, and it only became a thing as a side effect of fixing various other temperature related bugs, like good old Drip Cooling.

By making abyssalite melt to tungsten, something that is the only way to get Tungsten on some base game seeds, I think devs did turn it into a niche engineering challenge, something that was nice to have for people wanting to delve deeper into the games mechanics imo. What do you think @GreezyHammer?

[Yobbo]

4 hours ago, Coolthulhu said:

The problem is not tungsten volcanoes, it's abyssalite not having real uses.

I sure miss making all my pipes out of abyssalite.

Compared to the scale of that nerf, this recent uproar about vacuum food preservation seems.... silly.

[Hokaeru]

To respond to this topic, I assume it is somewhat similar to the topic of sulfur at the beginning of the DLC (when it was renewable only through sour gas boiler) : devs probably don't wan't to force players into advanced builds.

[GreezyHammer]

On 6/5/2021 at 4:47 AM, Magheat2009 said:

By making abyssalite melt to tungsten, something that is the only way to get Tungsten on some base game seeds, I think devs did turn it into a niche engineering challenge, something that was nice to have for people wanting to delve deeper into the games mechanics imo. What do you think @GreezyHammer?

I always thought that efficiently melting Abyssalite was the highest achievement in survival mode, next to molten Carbon.

A Tungsten volcano feels like a step back.

[spkthed]

It's okay for there to be more than one way to do things

[Yunru]

Anime Abyssalite was a mistake.

[spkthed]

4 hours ago, Yunru said:

Anime Abyssalite was a mistake.

What this really says to me is that we should see abyssalite used in more ways not a secondary source of tungsten removed.

[TuxSam123]

On 6/4/2021 at 3:14 PM, Magheat2009 said:

Now, that seem to have been replaced by the challenge of taming Tn volcanoes. There are quite a lot of volcanoes to tame with Cu, Co, Al, Ag, Fe and Tn volcanoes. It appears a little bit repetative to me. 

I agree. I would like to rave something other than a volcano that renews refined metal.

On 6/4/2021 at 3:14 PM, Magheat2009 said:

Abyssalite melters are a complicated late game challenge.

I also agree with this. I have never reached the point of making abysallite melters, nor sour gas boilers. I haven't even messed around with space materials! Even so, I do like the addition of tungsten volcanos. As  @Hokaeru said:

On 6/6/2021 at 3:52 PM, Hokaeru said:

"I assume it is somewhat similar to the topic of sulfur at the beginning of the DLC (when it was renewable only through sour gas boiler) : devs probably don't wan't to force players into advanced builds ".

It's like plastic on the game. You can ranch glossy dreckos for it or use the polymer press to make it. I like when there's two solution for the same thing. It's kind of dull when you have to always make the same process to get something.

[Nebbie]

The real mistake was abyssalite as a hacky solution to having biomes need to stay at different temperatures, and I'm not shedding any tears about not needing to build an exploit-driven monstrosity with it if I ever need very large amounts of tungsten.

To elaborate, critters and plants do way too little to keep the biomes they're in stable in temperature, and biomes of different temperatures are too close together, so eventually even with minimal tampering with them, ice biomes will melt while jungle and rust biomes will have stifled plants.
I'm still hoping Klei realizes the rust biome mistake at some point and gives us a drecko variant that pees cold chlorine; the dreckos instead heat up the place while dasha saltvines run out of chlorine and nosh sprouts stifle.

As for yet more volcanoes, yes it's a bit repetitive that they're the main challenge. I really do tire of making more steam turbine setups. That said, this is as high heat as it gets, so it's interesting in that regard. I'd actually put the blame here on niobium volcanoes given niobium can be made more of given tungsten input.