lARGE POWER TRANS FORMERS

[rumbleguts]

These have a capacity of 4kw but conductive wire has capacity of 2kw so overloading can occur but can it be made to run 2 separate lines both starting from the transformer connection point this would allow current to flow in 2 separate loops and with control of what you put on each line as loads. This will allow u ability to run 4kw of power through the transformer but the current could be split in 2 loops so allowing the full use of the 4kw available from the transformer with out overloading as it would be in real world. I would say that if this was allowed then the cost of conductive wire in materials verses transformers would in average out at least in materials so no unbalance there. I have tried to use this method but it still overloads even if each loop is lower than its 2kw limit, but both loops are in excess of 2kw. That is to say if u pull 3kw on 2 separate loops it overloads which I believe is not right. But u could instead have the transformer overload or u could have it shut down due to overheating and be off line for a period of time. Or as u do it will cause damage to the transformer instead. If u exceed the 4kw limit. but still retain the wire damage as well . Transformer offline due to overheating I do like it.

[KonfigSys]

it always puzzled me to see 4kw transformer and 2kw wire in tandem. It will make more sense if these 4kw transformer has TWO OUTPUTS each 2kW. So two 2kw wires can be connected with total consumption exceeding 2kW up to 4kW.

[PickPay]

I was hoping splitting into 2 circuits as well but I think it's more for the occasional peaks above 2kw that won't damage the wire yet not prevent the draw.

3.5kw (or 2.5kw) would have made more sense imo and prevent confusion.

[shybry55]

It seems to me that the programming simply checks all loads on the line without reference to the source to check for overloading.  The source should be considered.  If lines branch directly from the source, each line should be calculated separately, then all lines added and compared against the source.  Also, the source point should have a segment of power-appropriate wiring which to branch from.  This is how it works in real world applications.

 

Or, as KonfigSys says, give the 4K transformer 2 2k outputs to make the math simpler.

[Nocare]

The reason for the higher output is so you can partition power systems. Use heavy watt on the input and output side.
This was more useful before the space out dlc.

It was easy to exceed the limits of a heavy watt wire and so you needed transformer banks that limited power from the multiple generating sources.

This was useful as well to make sure the solar power for surface systems could be used for the rest of the base but would stop draining the batteries to make sure the doors always had power to open and close for meteor storms.

[babba]

Also I would like to have a 250KW power line. The downside is that its little poles like in the phote, in the game having 5x2 cell size. So taking a lot of space, but making in a nice distinguishable priority top notch power line to be proud of. Material: "Duraplex" -> Has to yet be invented by Klei.

[yoakenashi]

10 hours ago, shybry55 said:

If lines branch directly from the source, each line should be calculated separately, then all lines added and compared against the source.  Also, the source point should have a segment of power-appropriate wiring which to branch from.  This is how it works in real world applications.

This is not how real world applications work. Having worked in the power industry for Amani years, all lines from a source to a given destination are increased in voltage and then decreased via transformer. Transformers are used in many places to transition between busses.

You cannot simply connect multiple distribution lines to a single high power network; but you will require transformers to branch off into different distribution lines.

[babba]

1 hour ago, yoakenashi said:

This is not how real world applications work. Having worked in the power industry for Amani years, all lines from a source to a given destination are increased in voltage and then decreased via transformer. Transformers are used in many places to transition between busses.

You cannot simply connect multiple distribution lines to a single high power network; but you will require transformers to branch off into different distribution lines.

That could be a great mod - Transformers and dealing with voltage changes

[rumbleguts]

As far as i recall high voltage transmission lines are used because u can keep the current low so as not to have the wire at an unreasonable diameter else transmission line size would be expensive to run. Transmission lines are for cross country runs high voltages to keep losses low one of the reasons that transmission lines are so far off the ground is to stop losses as well and to stop arcing by the high potential of the transmission line I don't think we are asking for 8kva power sources. We just want to be able to use the 4k transformers to there potential. Or we could have Sub boards . Well come to think of it none of the transformers or batteries have any voltages just the amount of energy stored.  

[JaxckLl]

This entire thread is nonsense. You guys do realize that 2k wires can carry more load than that 2k limit? The 2k limit is a soft limit, after which your system will start taking damage. Large Power Transformers are useful because they allow you to break that soft limit and actually use your grid to its true capacity. A 4k wire would require an 8k Transformer to be useful.

[he77789]

What? Taking damage, then burning refined metal and dupe labour is the intended way to use it?

[cpy]

Or make transformer slider setting like for valves.

[JaxckLl]

Lets say you have five machines, each of which uses 500W. Four of them start up at once, your grid is now maxed out. If Large Transformers only went to 2k, literally nothing else on that grid would be operable while those four machines were engaged. No doors, no Deodorizers, no Automation, no fifth machine. Instead, Klei has given us the tools to push that system to its actual limits. We can open a door and run those four machines. We can have automation & a Deodorizer on that same grid. If Transformer limits scaled with wires, then it would be impossible to damage your wires, and most power grids would not work.

[he77789]

They take damage for a reason. The devs want to discourage you from exceeding the limit, or else everyone would just spam normal wire and heavi-watt wire would be useless.

[Sasza22]

15 hours ago, JaxckLl said:

Lets say you have five machines, each of which uses 500W. Four of them start up at once, your grid is now maxed out. If Large Transformers only went to 2k, literally nothing else on that grid would be operable while those four machines were engaged. No doors, no Deodorizers, no Automation, no fifth machine. Instead, Klei has given us the tools to push that system to its actual limits. We can open a door and run those four machines. We can have automation & a Deodorizer on that same grid. If Transformer limits scaled with wires, then it would be impossible to damage your wires, and most power grids would not work.

That`s only partially true. The transformer has an internal battery that allows it to sustain short spikes of power usage above it`s max but more importantly you can build a battery after the transformer which makes provides power even if the transformer can`t output enough power. You can overload conductive wires with a small transformer even though it outputs only 1 kW.

[JRup]

On 1/7/2021 at 1:26 PM, Sasza22 said:

you can build a battery after the transformer which makes provides power even if the transformer can`t output enough power.

One must remember that a battery can and will provide all requested power instantaneously to the wire it is connected to.

This means that if you have any battery after a transformer then the protection effect of said transformer is lost... You could also sandwich batteries between transformers but that is another kind of build.

[TheMule]

On 12/26/2020 at 7:19 PM, shybry55 said:

It seems to me that the programming simply checks all loads on the line without reference to the source to check for overloading.  The source should be considered.  If lines branch directly from the source, each line should be calculated separately, then all lines added and compared against the source.  Also, the source point should have a segment of power-appropriate wiring which to branch from.  This is how it works in real world applications.

 

Or, as KonfigSys says, give the 4K transformer 2 2k outputs to make the math simpler.

There is no flow of electricity in ONI. No Ohm's Law, no voltage, no current, no resistance. Only power and load. They appear instantly everywhere in the circuit, at every single wire segment, even "dead branches". RL doesn't matter, this is not a real world physics simulator. ONI has its own physics, and electricity is based on power and load. If load exceeds available power, you get a brownout. Load is created by consumers only. Wires do not overheat (how could they?, no current, no resistance), they overload. All wires have infinite power rating, only load can cause damage. Transformers do not change voltage (there's no voltage), instead they break circuits, in the sense that they "copy" the load on the lower circuit to the upper one, but not vice versa, and only up to their rating. They also have a small internal battery. Batteries are not consumers, so they never contribute to the load, not even when they are charging.