biopon Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 Everything is as expected like this: Tiles are ceramic, left/right tiles appear unaffected, bottom tile changes maybe 1/10th of a degree per cycle, if that much. However: If a chunk of solid steel was to accidentally land in that puddle, the thermal transfer increases several hundredfold. The temperature of the liquid steel decreases about .2 degrees per second, and the ceramic tile's temp goes up accordingly. I thought I knew the basics, but this doesn't fit anything... Ignore the tempshift stuff below, they don't affect the behavior. (I tried removing them just in case, but of course no change.) By the way, it's not just steel debris, but anything. First (as you'd think) the debris' temp equalizes with the steel puddle, and then you can just watch in amazement how the insulated ceramic sucks heat out of both. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
wachunga Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 It's a bug. Coincidentally it's come up in another thread so I'll quote myself. And for good measure, my bug report: Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1267187 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted October 2, 2019 Share Posted October 2, 2019 I made this same observation and was about to post. Glad someone's already on it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1267202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kire109 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I had the same thing happen in my iron volcano set-up, my steel door melted and the subsequent piece of steel debris then melted the insulated ceramic tile. I noticed before it melted the second layer of insulated igneous rock. I ended up fixing it by replacing the melted tile with insulated obsidian and then replacing the second layer with insulated ceramic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1267542 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 Don't forget that mesh and airflow tiles act like debris, and the same kinds of things can happen with them. Place a mesh/airflow tile above an insulated tile and watch the fun happen. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1267543 Share on other sites More sharing options...
kyngston Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, mathmanican said: Don't forget that mesh and airflow tiles act like debris, and the same kinds of things can happen with them. Place a mesh/airflow tile above an insulated tile and watch the fun happen. This includes farm tiles. I tried growing mealwood in farm tiles placed on top of 40C igneous insulated tiles, and all my mealwood plants got cooked. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1267573 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxCD Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 I allow me to tag Klei then, because this bug is rather brutal... And none of the bug report or the quoted topic get any answer (since June for the bug report). @Ipsquiggle @klei.ruby Is this bug added to your roadmap ? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1267596 Share on other sites More sharing options...
mathmanican Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 31 minutes ago, OxCD said: And none of the bug report or the quoted topic get any answer That's pretty common. There are several bugs that have much more than a year of history, on which we have no feedback. I just remind myself often that this forum is not a 2-way communication (that's their intent). This quote is taken from JoeW: "The way we look at bug reports is that they are there so that we may we sift through them and fix them as appropriate based on priority and what were working on. If they are there, you know we know about them. But it's not meant to be a channel of communication." I don't expect them to comment. But I have noticed that they pay attention. They do read stuff here. They just have so much to work on that some things fall way down on the priority list. And the backlog of unacknowledged bugs is soooo large that it would be pointless now to even try to make a dent.... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1267614 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKBERREST3 Posted October 3, 2019 Share Posted October 3, 2019 imo It would be nice to have at least 1 of the devs play their own game and post about it in the forums. There is quite a difference in mindset between player and creator that the game could benefit from if they were combined. How often do they play oni anyways Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1267655 Share on other sites More sharing options...
OxCD Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 On 03/10/2019 at 8:47 PM, mathmanican said: That's pretty common. There are several bugs that have much more than a year of history, on which we have no feedback. I just remind myself often that this forum is not a 2-way communication (that's their intent). This quote is taken from JoeW: "The way we look at bug reports is that they are there so that we may we sift through them and fix them as appropriate based on priority and what were working on. If they are there, you know we know about them. But it's not meant to be a channel of communication." I don't expect them to comment. But I have noticed that they pay attention. They do read stuff here. They just have so much to work on that some things fall way down on the priority list. And the backlog of unacknowledged bugs is soooo large that it would be pointless now to even try to make a dent.... Yup I know, was already regular on the forum when it has been posted. But I was believing... This bug once again came back to me, while I was setting up a volcano heat system.. In other words I was hoping things to go better ^^ It brings mess. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1269083 Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACKBERREST3 Posted October 7, 2019 Share Posted October 7, 2019 I guess the lesson here is to make insulated tiles out of a material with a higher melting point. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/112330-i-dont-get-this-thermal-transfer-scenario/#findComment-1269142 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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