Glassyfo Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Wheezewort is no longer a decor plant and requires fertilizer. Welp. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
goboking Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 RIP wheezeworts. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215032 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gracefulmuse Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 They use Phosphorite. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 21 minutes ago, Gracefulmuse said: They use Phosphorite. This is muuuch better news. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215067 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackcasual Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Damn, I might have to stop venting phosphorous into space as my primary cooling system Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiannaTiger Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 Guess ice boxes with Wheezworts will now need a ore dumping station and a sweeper to be "Automated" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215084 Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackcasual Posted June 27, 2019 Share Posted June 27, 2019 A 4x wheeze box could run 250 cycles with just a storage compactor and sweeper Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215091 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted June 27, 2019 Author Share Posted June 27, 2019 10 minutes ago, FiannaTiger said: Guess ice boxes with Wheezworts will now need a ore dumping station and a sweeper to be "Automated" What do ore dumpling stations do that are different from conveyors? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnFrancis Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 So wild variant only provides 1/4 the cooling. I can actually live with that I mainly use them for battery boxes and plug sockets. I think the devs are trying to push us to use the ice machine early then move onto the steam turbine. I have seen notes that seeds self plant after sitting on the ground for a while. This looks to be incredibly powerful does anyone know if the wild growth rate has been nerfed? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215241 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Phosphorite is usually 40C from the caustic biome. Won't that hot phosphorite leak out and ruin the point of using wheezeworts in the first place? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215255 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, bobucles said: Phosphorite is usually 40C from the caustic biome. Won't that hot phosphorite leak out and ruin the point of using wheezeworts in the first place? There's also dreckos in chlorine. Unlimited phosphorite (unless they changed it). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215257 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakon Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Just now, bleeter6 said: There's also dreckos in chlorine. Unlimited phosphorite (unless they changed it). dreckos still live in 35°C. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215260 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 Just now, Hakon said: dreckos still live in 35°C. But they make phosphorite in such small quantities that just storing them in your base should cool them. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215262 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 But to cool down the phosphorite, that heat has to go somewhere. That means the wheezewort needs to be fed more phosphorite to cool down the phosphorite it needs, which means you need more worts and... See where I'm going with this? It's be more effective to dump heat INTO the phosphorite, so it gets deleted by the wort. All the real cooling would have to happen elsewhere. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215264 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 7 minutes ago, bobucles said: But to cool down the phosphorite, that heat has to go somewhere. That means the wheezewort needs to be fed more phosphorite to cool down the phosphorite it needs, which means you need more worts and... See where I'm going with this? It's be more effective to dump heat INTO the phosphorite, so it gets deleted by the wort. All the real cooling would have to happen elsewhere. Nah. A cool slush is enough to keep a main base cool. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215270 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakon Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, bleeter6 said: But they make phosphorite in such small quantities that just storing them in your base should cool them. You need to cool the same amount of phosphorite so no that doesn't change anything. Domesticated wheezeworts will be less effective at cooling in temperatures that are below the temperature of the phosphorite and more effective when above. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215273 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 1 minute ago, Hakon said: You need to cool the same amount of phosphorite so no that doesn't change anything. Domesticated wheezeworts will be less effective at cooling in temperatures that are below the temperature of the phosphorite and more effective when above. But this assumes that Klei reduced cooling power of wild wheezeworts as opposed to increasing the cooling power of domestic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215276 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hakon Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 2 minutes ago, bleeter6 said: But this assumes that Klei reduced cooling power of wild wheezeworts as opposed to increasing the cooling power of domestic. Yeah I don't know how they changed that, still the temperature of the phosphorite is one of the small things that influence the cooling that can be done with a number of worts. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215277 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, bleeter6 said: Nah. A cool slush is enough to keep a main base cool. Anything is possible with the most amazingly powerful geyser in the game. Cool slush is ready to absorb heat, get purified, and absorb heat all over again. What about the majority of maps that don't have win mode? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215278 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 6 minutes ago, bobucles said: Anything is possible with the most amazingly powerful geyser in the game. Cool slush is ready to absorb heat, get purified, and absorb heat all over again. What about the majority of maps that don't have win mode? Sucks to be you, use the other cooling options that are already in the game. /s Anyways I haven't played this testing branch enough to see what the full impact is. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobucles Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 13 minutes ago, bleeter6 said: Sucks to be you, use the other cooling options that are already in the game. /s Anyways I haven't played this testing branch enough to see what the full impact is. Sucks to be what? You suggested cool slush in the first place! Don't tell players to use an RNG solution and then condemn them for not having RNG solutions. It's kind of rude. Anyway the real issue here is that worts are suffering a bit of a catch-22. They need phosphorite to generate cold, but the phosphorite is hot. Hot things interfere with generating cold. Are wort farms going to get into trouble by melting themselves? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215291 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glassyfo Posted June 28, 2019 Author Share Posted June 28, 2019 3 minutes ago, bobucles said: Sucks to be what? You suggested cool slush in the first place! Don't tell players to use an RNG solution and then condemn them for not having RNG solutions. It's kind of rude. Anyway the real issue here is that worts are suffering a bit of a catch-22. They need phosphorite to generate cold, but the phosphorite is hot. Hot things interfere with generating cold. Are wort farms going to get into trouble by melting themselves? /s means sarcasm. My real comment came after. Edit: All Klei has to do is make sure a domesticated wort has more cooling power to neutralize the heat of the phosphorite. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215292 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loscil2 Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 so now we'll have to use more often the Anti Entropy Thermo-Nullifier Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215293 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Technoincubus Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Wheeze is of no use for me now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215378 Share on other sites More sharing options...
drbest Posted June 28, 2019 Share Posted June 28, 2019 Is it even possible to harvest enough phosphorite for 10 wheezeworts? I have been mostly lucky so far because Anti Entropy Thermo-Nullifiers spawned near my geysers but sometimes their spawning point was way off. Even then I needed additional cooling with 4 wheezeworts which would require an absurd amount of dreckos to sustain IMHO. TBH I'm actually not really forward to playing the update anymore because of that change. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/108005-huge-wheezewort-change/#findComment-1215416 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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