Abt9 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 I was quite infuriated as I couldn't find the steam vent - I was even considering using oil to generate water. And then this happened.. Yeah. Double. And these two even give the polluted water at the same rate. I'm wondering, is this actually a common occurrence? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 share the seed? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1192962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Never had that. Would like the seed also. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1192991 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 I've had that happen before. My current seed has two water geysers that have the same output. The "randomization" is anchored in placement within a grid. There's a post somewhere that elaborates on that in great detail, but I can't find it now. Anyway, the output material and rate is determined by the geyser's random location, but that location is also within a grid that repeats across the map. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1192999 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denisetwin Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 I have the same thing, both cool steam and two slush are right above the starter biome All four grouped together. 1799491505 Also has a copper, an oil well right beside a hot water geyser, a gold, another slush, a chlorine, and NG. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193038 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, Denisetwin said: I have the same thing, both cool steam and two slush are right above the starter biome All four grouped together. 1799491505 Also has a copper, an oil well right beside a hot water geyser, a gold, another slush, a chlorine, and NG. Thanks, I think I am going to save this seed for the release. That is if the geysers/vents are still the same. Going to test that on a few other seeds first. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 1 hour ago, Gurgel said: Thanks, I think I am going to save this seed for the release. Release will have new biomes so it might not look the same. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193098 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 7 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: Release will have new biomes so it might not look the same. I'd be shocked if they're even slightly the same. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193100 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 8 minutes ago, Sasza22 said: Release will have new biomes so it might not look the same. Only talking about the geysers. They may or may not be the same. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sasza22 Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 Just now, Gurgel said: Only talking about the geysers. They may or may not be the same. Maybe i should save my seed with 4 metal volcanoes then . Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193102 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightinggale Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 8 hours ago, Abt9 said: What's the odds of this happening? You presented one game. It happened. That makes it 1 out of 1, or 100% chance based on your survey Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193129 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted May 12, 2019 Share Posted May 12, 2019 12 minutes ago, Nightinggale said: You presented one game. It happened. That makes it 1 out of 1, or 100% chance based on your survey And when you do a statistical test for that, all available methods will tell you that you need a bigger sample. So your 100% assumption cannot even be disproved statistically! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 3 hours ago, Gurgel said: Only talking about the geysers. They may or may not be the same. That's kind of the point. Every time they make any changes to world-gen, it breaks all map seeds created prior to the change in world-gen. Not only will the map itself have a different layout and different placement of features, but the PoI features will also be different. They will be placed in the same locations, but they may be a different Geyser feature -- for example, your guaranteed Cool Steam Vent in the Caustic Biome will be at a different location, and you instead get a Minor Volcano in that location. Or, it could be the locked Morb/Vacillator PoI. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193190 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abt9 Posted May 13, 2019 Author Share Posted May 13, 2019 Okay, gonna post the seed when I'm home! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 1 hour ago, PhailRaptor said: That's kind of the point. Every time they make any changes to world-gen, it breaks all map seeds created prior to the change in world-gen. Not only will the map itself have a different layout and different placement of features, but the PoI features will also be different. They will be placed in the same locations, but they may be a different Geyser feature -- for example, your guaranteed Cool Steam Vent in the Caustic Biome will be at a different location, and you instead get a Minor Volcano in that location. Or, it could be the locked Morb/Vacillator PoI. Ok, good to know. It really depends on how they do it internally, but if that is the observation, then seeds from before become mostly worthless. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
beowulf2010 Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 5 minutes ago, Gurgel said: Ok, good to know. It really depends on how they do it internally, but if that is the observation, then seeds from before become mostly worthless. Mostly worthless? Probably completely worthless. All the previous map gen changes have resulted in completely new maps, geyser distribution, POI placements, etc. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193222 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abt9 Posted May 13, 2019 Author Share Posted May 13, 2019 The seed is 1170564920, go left and up to find the geysers. There might be other useful geysers too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurgel Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 8 hours ago, beowulf2010 said: Mostly worthless? Probably completely worthless. All the previous map gen changes have resulted in completely new maps, geyser distribution, POI placements, etc. There are different ways to do this. But if it is done as you say, then it is indeed worthless. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Denisetwin Posted May 13, 2019 Share Posted May 13, 2019 19 hours ago, Gurgel said: Thanks, I think I am going to save this seed for the release. That is if the geysers/vents are still the same. I love this seed and this is the second base I've played on it. I'm really hoping they stay the same but history doesn't really support that. When they add new biomes, it ends up with new geyser placement. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/106019-whats-the-odds-of-this-happening/#findComment-1193407 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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