Algae Distiller and Fertilizer Synthetizer needs love

[natanstarke]

I suggest more algae for less slime and reduction of algae consumption for fishs.

For ferts i suggest buffing their non nat gas outputs and maybe creating a building that uses fertilizer and some material to make critter rations, the " some material part " is the thing they normally eat raw and that could even upgrade their speed to lay eggs or adds more meat  etc.

Obs: The rations would only give effect when the critters are into a stable room, so you could keep an infinity ranch like me without doors and super fast breeding, but without the bonus rations gives on proper stable rooms.

[Oozinator]

8 minutes ago, natanstarke said:

I suggest more algae for less slime and reduction of algae consumption for fishs.

 

No thank you

[goboking]

I think the algae distiller is fine; we just need a renewable source of slime that doesn't involve space travel.

As to pacu, they absolutely need to be changed.  An uninitiated player will likely assume they need to be fed just like every other critter they're ranching.  But but this is neither sustainable nor optimal, which makes handling them counter intuitive.  As is, they're a noob trap waiting to snare many a new player when the release version is launched.

[lee1026]

Yeah, the current state of Pacus is definitely terrible in that if you follow your intuition from all of the other critters, you will burn through all of the algae on the map for fairly little gain.

 

On the other hand, if you realize that Pacus don't need to be fed and exploit the rules around the cramped status, Pacus will throw off so many calories for free that you quickly stop caring about food as a concept.

 

It is in dire need of rebalancing like the old steam turbine - it is terrible if you follow your intuition for how an steam turbine "should" work, but completely OP once you understand how they work and how to exploit them.

[natanstarke]

2 hours ago, Oozinator said:

No thank you

Could you please elaborate more?

 

53 minutes ago, goboking said:

I think the algae distiller is fine; we just need a renewable source of slime that doesn't involve space travel.

As to pacu, they absolutely need to be changed.  An uninitiated player will likely assume they need to be fed just like every other critter they're ranching.  But but this is neither sustainable nor optimal, which makes handling them counter intuitive.  As is, they're a noob trap waiting to snare many a new player when the release version is launched.

I post because last time i tried to use this i couldnt even run 1 full time only with poop from pufts feed by a polluted oxygen vent.

 

22 minutes ago, lee1026 said:

Yeah, the current state of Pacus is definitely terrible in that if you follow your intuition from all of the other critters, you will burn through all of the algae on the map for fairly little gain.

 

On the other hand, if you realize that Pacus don't need to be fed and exploit the rules around the cramped status, Pacus will throw off so many calories for free that you quickly stop caring about food as a concept.

 

It is in dire need of rebalancing like the old steam turbine - it is terrible if you follow your intuition for how an steam turbine "should" work, but completely OP once you understand how they work and how to exploit them.

Yeap agreed on both arguments, i simply put them into a big pool, fed a little to let them reproduce them never ever touch algae distiller or the pacu farm again.

tropical pacus need some use too, besides decor, or just make that decor higher to make us want to make aquariums for example.

The variant that makes polluted water clean are well tough and cool concept but too slow.

 

[Alfons100]

The fertilizer synthesizer can stay as it is, because fertilizer is useful for renewable Farm Tune-Ups, and also heating up to 125*C to turn that fertilizer into dirt, because at some point dirt is also gonna become a problem if you use Fertilizer, Mealwood or Sleet wheat.

I agree with Algae Distiller though. And Pacus too, Pacus are a weird critter because you need to handle them in an unique manner, and not do what you do with any other critter. They should be handled like any other critter where you simply feed them to make them multiply, and possibly make the old-Pacu idea a Pacu variant, perhaps its called "Glutton Puna" because of its ravenous appetite.

[Oozinator]

9 hours ago, natanstarke said:

Could you please elaborate more

Sure.
Algae is not rare for me, but i think it's based on playstyle.
I use shrooms and use slime, but i use very small amounts of algae.
Rushing for electrolyzers and when i use algae in fishfarms, i do it only short time, to boost fish population.

[Sasza22]

Just buff pufts. So they can produce larger amounts of slime. Then tune the pacu consumption so they are more managable. Finally give us a source of polluted oxygen other than slime ofgassing or the complicated pwater designs people came up with and maybe we could make a pacu farm that`s a relatively simple build.

[lee1026]

Only feeding pacus for a short time to boost fish production still requires a rather lot of algae, unless if you do the exploity thing and only feed them 1 kg at a time.

 

Buffing pufts can work, but Pacus will need a nerf somehow because they are crazy OP already (automated meat with no labor needed!).

[natanstarke]

7 hours ago, Oozinator said:

Sure.
Algae is not rare for me, but i think it's based on playstyle.
I use shrooms and use slime, but i use very small amounts of algae.
Rushing for electrolyzers and when i use algae in fishfarms, i do it only short time, to boost fish population.

i do that too but i think its a really cool design to have no use :(.

2 hours ago, Sasza22 said:

Just buff pufts. So they can produce larger amounts of slime. Then tune the pacu consumption so they are more managable. Finally give us a source of polluted oxygen other than slime ofgassing or the complicated pwater designs people came up with and maybe we could make a pacu farm that`s a relatively simple build.

Actually that maybe the solution, its a more indirect but effective way.

[goboking]

2 hours ago, Sasza22 said:

Finally give us a source of polluted oxygen other than slime ofgassing or the complicated pwater designs people came up with and maybe we could make a pacu farm that`s a relatively simple build.

There are polluted oxygen vents, but they're not guaranteed to be on your map and I don't know if their output is actually hearty enough to sustain pufts.

[lee1026]

The typical PO2 vent are fairly wimpy; about 100g/s on average (so says the wiki). Each pacu needs 223 grams per second. So this will pay for, oh, 1/12th of a pacu.

[natanstarke]

On 02/04/2019 at 2:04 PM, lee1026 said:

The typical PO2 vent are fairly wimpy; about 100g/s on average (so says the wiki). Each pacu needs 223 grams per second. So this will pay for, oh, 1/12th of a pacu.

yeap idk if your math is correct but i know this geyser is really bad for this. I will try a setup when i get to the late game again, using a lot of containers with like 1kg of slime or so off gasing forever and see if it worth anything for pufts.

 

[lee1026]

The math is pretty easy - 100g/s PO2 is 50g/s slime,  which is 16g/s algae. 

 

I don't know why you would want to offgas slime though - you lose slime in the process because offgassing convert the mass at 1-1 while pufts lose you half.