LeftyRighty Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 So I was eating some spaghetti and did some numbers... All configs are using 500 kg of water (5t tank split 10 ways) Spoiler All pumps feed into it's own collection tank before feeding into the counting tanks to ensure there aren't flow problems Spoiler So I did the 10 configs I could think of and counted up their outputs (perfect numbers for 500kg of water is 444kg O2 and 56kg H2 for reference, numbers are from the 4 tanks and totals at the bottom, ran the tests twice, some inaccuracies from the rounding of amounts in the display) Top producers for O2 and H2 Spoiler from batch 1 from batch 2 The rest in batch 1 in no particular order Spoiler batch 2 remainder Spoiler batch 3 vertical variations... no clear increase with different spaces on the left Spoiler what if i put something here... do you go away now foul daemon picture?!?! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 adjust and retest please Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishoutofwater Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 would you test this one sir Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Thats the one I've been using in my 1300 cycles old colony: It gives nice, steady supply of hydrogen for generating power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelirt Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 Great work ! My Scalable SPOM unit in TOP =). I improved it a little, but the basic scheme has not changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted December 19, 2018 Share Posted December 19, 2018 May have been wise to do all these different layouts within the same space of room - just to see how much is lost due to rounding. Also, running the tests more than once to gain an average would be wise - as I find they can vary quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bummins Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 Hello LeftyRighty, Your analysis has been most interesting I tried doing the same setup and i can confirm all sorts of Gas deletion going on. I also factored in the power consumption, speed, and sorting the gasses also using the Element Sensor+Gas Shutoff method. My input is 2510kg of water Overall conclusions: - Connecting the outputs of the Gas pumps together slows down gas extraction, although obvious. This causes more gas deletion to occur. in my case connecting three pumps together only returned 2370kg. (lowest amount) - using two pumps in different configurations seems to give similar results, over 7day, giving a net surplus of 400 kJ - pulling the gas out with the three pumps continuously with no merging of gas packets caused the electrolyzer to produce 17% hydrogen and 83% oxygen, more than expected and more overal, almost double some configurations. >1000kJ in total. Quite a large rounding error if thats the cause, can someone else prove similar numbers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 On 12/18/2018 at 9:25 PM, LeftyRighty said: Spoiler The rest in no particular order Nothing but amazing GJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 I did some larger testing series before the rocketry upgrade and the best setup to produce hydrogen was the shown build. (The "hydrogen production" I considered were always the output of selfpowering systems (without tuning), so power consumption was taken into account.) My used room layout seemed better than horizontal layout. (Didn´t test the 3 pump one cause I did more testing with different settings how I merge my gas flow) Most noticable impact was merging the lower into the upper gas pump output. => Lower throughput, but resulted in the best hydrogen generation with a fixed water input (at least in my testing series of 10 cycles) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angpaur Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 5 hours ago, Lilalaunekuh said: Are you able to reload your test map and use a fixed amount of water to test the hydrogen/oxygen output ? Isn't it what he already did in his first post? He tested with fixed amount of 500kg water. How is your setup different from the one already tested? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lilalaunekuh Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 19 minutes ago, Angpaur said: Isn't it what he already did in his first post? He tested with fixed amount of 500kg water. Mostly^^ (Overlooked the part with the fixed 500kg of input) But my setup still differs considering how I merge the gas pipes. By merging the lower into the upper gas pump output I achieve less worktime for the lower pump and a higher internal pressure inside my electrolyzer room. => My pumps are not able to keep up with a full time running electrolyzer (The point here is trading space for water efficiency) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRighty Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 selection of designs based on @Kabrute and @fishoutofwater 's requests added in batch two to OP. On 12/19/2018 at 8:33 AM, Angpaur said: Thats the one I've been using in my 1300 cycles old colony: that's where it was taken from Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRighty Posted December 21, 2018 Author Share Posted December 21, 2018 On 12/19/2018 at 5:04 PM, Lifegrow said: May have been wise to do all these different layouts within the same space of room - just to see how much is lost due to rounding. Also, running the tests more than once to gain an average would be wise - as I find they can vary quite a bit. oh, this isn't being presented as an exhaustive accurate study, just as a starting point so better analysis (by others ) can be done on the most indicative designs. The problem I've seen in a lot of the threads discussing these kinds of setups recently is that everyone has a favourite based on their experience but there is little by way of empirical data for comparison. Then you factor in the game's gas modelling, pipe flow, power, time, whatever else and the discussions go no where very fast. Batch 3 added with some variations on the vertical setup Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bummins Posted December 21, 2018 Share Posted December 21, 2018 2 hours ago, LeftyRighty said: Batch 3 added with some variations on the vertical setup Awesome, doing just the few i did took hours, your time is much appreciated! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishoutofwater Posted December 22, 2018 Share Posted December 22, 2018 7 hours ago, LeftyRighty said: selection of designs based on @Kabrute and @fishoutofwater 's requests added in batch two to OP. that's where it was taken from very much appreciated sir. just out of curiosity, each one of the layouts might have different time consuming those 500kg, right? so if you put in time factor the top producers might be another layouts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeftyRighty Posted December 22, 2018 Author Share Posted December 22, 2018 10 hours ago, fishoutofwater said: very much appreciated sir. just out of curiosity, each one of the layouts might have different time consuming those 500kg, right? so if you put in time factor the top producers might be another layouts? that is correct, amounts per unit time would require a different setup to compare them... hmm.... might take a look at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenMadness Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 Quote from batch 1 from batch 2 @LeftyRighty I'm confused. If you're using 500kg of water. And the maximum hydrogren you can get from 500kg of water is 56kg H2.... How are you getting more than this? (over 80kg hydrogen). Seems like you either made an error or there are buggy game mechanics going on. Edit: I'm not familiar with how gas deletion occurs so if someone can explain that would be appreciated. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishoutofwater Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 @ChickenMadnessmaybe this can help https://imgur.com/a/HvW7LmQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChickenMadness Posted December 27, 2018 Share Posted December 27, 2018 2 hours ago, fishoutofwater said: @ChickenMadnessmaybe this can help https://imgur.com/a/HvW7LmQ super helpful thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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