80 Pufts needed for 1 algae distiller

[Iluinrandir]

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And that means 3 full ranches with 8 in each.

small correction: 4 with 6 each (16 tiles per puft; not 12 as shinebugs or hatches).

But this is the absoulte minimum to get to 600g/s maybe make it 30 pufts to be sure to get the 600 g/s due to ceiling travel times and repopulation times.

[Saturnus]

2 minutes ago, Iluinrandir said:

small correction: 4 with 6 each (16 tiles per puft; not 12 as shinebugs or hatches).

But this is the absoulte minimum to get to 600g/s maybe make it 30 pufts to be sure to get the 600 g/s due to ceiling travel times and repopulation times.

Yeah. But with 15 pufts minimum per dupe you're already looking at an insurmountable ranching task so other than for experimenting it's a doomed effort from the get go. 

[ChickenMadness]

9 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Yeah. But with 15 pufts minimum per dupe you're already looking at an insurmountable ranching task so other than for experimenting it's a doomed effort from the get go. 

I've been trying to experiment with self sustaining farming bases like this. 

Mainly Puft and Drecko farming side by side. if 2 algae distillers run permanently it's enough to keep an electroliser going in SPOM configuration with enough left over energy to power both ranches. And the ranchers would live in this base and never leave. if 60 pufts are required that would be 4 dupes and one electroliser provides enough oxygen 2 extra dupes would farm mushrooms and plastic from dreckos. 

Does it sound viable? It would be seperate to the main base.

Sand is the only outside resource that needs to be shipped in. (water siev) Mushrooms are probably optional I just haven't worked out the food aspect.

 

[Iluinrandir]

2 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Yeah. But with 15 pufts minimum per dupe you're already looking at an insurmountable ranching task so other than for experimenting it's a doomed effort from the get go. 

where does this number come from?

On Ravaging Hunger a Dupe needs 2000 kcal/day. Omlett gives 2800kcal per 1Kg egg (wiki) or 2000/2800 eggs per cycle are needed to feed a single dupe. 4,5 Pufts lay 1 Egg a day with 0,5 Kg. 9 Pufts -> 1 Kg * 20/28 = ca. 6,43 Pufts are needed to feed a single dupe. And the meat the pufts give on death is not even considered.

 

[Saturnus]

2 minutes ago, Iluinrandir said:

where does this number come from?

On Ravaging Hunger a Dupe needs 2000 kcal/day. Omlett gives 2800kcal per 1Kg egg (wiki) or 2000/2800 eggs per cycle are needed to feed a single dupe. 4,5 Pufts lay 1 Egg a day with 0,5 Kg. 9 Pufts -> 1 Kg * 20/28 = ca. 6,43 Pufts are needed to feed a single dupe. And the meat the pufts give on death is not even considered.

Remember, half the egg mass is the egg shell.

[clickrush]

1 minute ago, Iluinrandir said:

where does this number come from?

On Ravaging Hunger a Dupe needs 2000 kcal/day. Omlett gives 2800kcal per 1Kg egg (wiki) or 2000/2800 eggs per cycle are needed to feed a single dupe. 4,5 Pufts lay 1 Egg a day with 0,5 Kg. 9 Pufts -> 1 Kg * 20/28 = ca. 6,43 Pufts are needed to feed a single dupe. And the meat the pufts give on death is not even considered.

 

We are specifically talking about the morb -> puft -> distiller -> pacu conversion to produce as many eggs as possible with the primary goal of producing lime for steel.

Even if you just look at 6ish pufts per dupe that is a ridiculous amount of critters to maintain for both dupe and computing performance. Even a small to medium colony. Multiply it by the number of dupes you have and the number of morbs you need and you get into ridiculous numbers.

It is simply the throughput per puft (not the conversion ratio) that is way to low to make it worth the cost in performance, regardless of what you plan on doing with them.

[Iluinrandir]

3 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Remember, half the egg mass is the egg shell.

yeah your are right forget about that still only 13 Pufts

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maintain for both dupe and computing performance.

a) single dupe had no problem to maintain 4 critter farms. Requirement ist that everything else is automated and you have a source of power.

b) use proper stables and minimize the amount of pathfinding, E.g. Closed Room with only Tube access.

c) have you tried Pacu Farming to minimize the amount of algae required for pacus?

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Mainly Puft and Drecko farming side by side. if 2 algae distillers run permanently it's enough to keep an electroliser going in SPOM configuration with enough left over energy to power both ranches.

Sand is the only outside resource that needs to be shipped in. (water siev) Mushrooms are probably optional I just haven't worked out the food aspect.

a) Electrolyzer uses too much water. It is more efficient to combine them with algae terrariums if you are already using algae distillers.

Also dupes are not required to use 100g/s but can also live with only 60-80 g/s O2

b) Sand is not needed use gulp fish. (Dont know how much algae you have left but you might want to try Pacu Farming

c) If you have a Drecko ranch you also want to have a shinebug ranch. (Due to Phosphorite build up.)

d) If you have polluted water left you might want to try to farm one or to pincha peppers and combine them with meat to get BBQ.

[Saturnus]

4 minutes ago, Iluinrandir said:

c) have you tried Pacu Farming to minimize the amount of algae required for pacus?

Just to keep this short. Not many people are interested in pacu farming these days as it just takes up dupe time. This is where it's at

 

[ChickenMadness]

7 minutes ago, Iluinrandir said:

yeah your are right forget about that still only 13 Pufts

a) single dupe had no problem to maintain 4 critter farms. Requirement ist that everything else is automated and you have a source of power.

b) use proper stables and minimize the amount of pathfinding, E.g. Closed Room with only Tube access.

c) have you tried Pacu Farming to minimize the amount of algae required for pacus?

a) Electrolyzer uses too much water. It is more efficient to combine them with algae terrariums if you are already using algae distillers.

Also dupes are not required to use 100g/s but can also live with only 60-80 g/s O2

b) Sand is not needed use gulp fish. (Dont know how much algae you have left but you might want to try Pacu Farming

c) If you have a Drecko ranch you also want to have a shinebug ranch. (Due to Phosphorite build up.)

d) If you have polluted water left you might want to try to farm one or to pincha peppers and combine them with meat to get BBQ.

Reading the Pacu thread now. Gonna take me a while to come up with something. Thanks.

There are a lot of options. 

[psusi]

Happy, tame critters have a much higher metabolism.  I'm pretty sure that the overcroweded debuff also makes them unhappy, slowing it back down.  Or at least it used to.

 

[ChickenMadness]

16 minutes ago, psusi said:

Happy, tame critters have a much higher metabolism.  I'm pretty sure that the overcroweded debuff also makes them unhappy, slowing it back down.  Or at least it used to.

 

they're wild, but don't have overcrowded. There are waterlocks so the rooms are open.

[psusi]

31 minutes ago, ChickenMadness said:

they're wild, but don't have overcrowded. There are waterlocks so the rooms are open.

Wild critters can't be overcroweded.  Essentially overcrowded just takes away the bonus you get from being tame.

[suicide commando]

Overcrowded debuff does not lower a critter's metabolism, it only reduces their reproduction rate. As long as you keep your critters groomed, they'll be happily munching and being productive.

That said, the end result is still omelettes, which are only a mediocre food for dupes. For at least some of your dupes, and preferably all of them, you'll want to get into the high quality foods, stuffed berry is my personal favorite as it's easy to grow bristles and pinchas.

Combine that with a bit of BBQ from critters that have died of old age, mainly Pacu's, once you've put them in a huge fish tank, filled it up and given them a feeding frenzy for 20-30 cycles, and you'll have more food than you can handle.

 

[Saturnus]

33 minutes ago, suicide commando said:

That said, the end result is still omelettes, which are only a mediocre food for dupes.

Ah but with good decor and diverse recreational activities you actually don't need more than that unless you play fatalistic and/or you want every dupe to be an astronaut. The fantastic thing about omelettes is that 2 pacus can feed 5.36 dupes and requires no dupe interaction at all. You don't even have to cook them as they can be automatically cooked. In the mid- to late game that means freeing up a ton of dupe time you can use instead to dig out the map and set up space exploration. And set up those automated bristle berry/pincha pepper farms.

[crypticorb]

Oh look, another lag inducer. :/

4 hours ago, ChickenMadness said:

Probably lol. I'm just curious what the limits are to Morbs and Puft farming is really.

The limits to morb/puft/algae farming are your CPU, not the in-game limitations for ranching. Making a ranch with a hundred critters is easy, but your CPU and framerate will suffer for it.