Robo-miner for clearing Regolith

[Gurgel]

15 hours ago, SharraShimada said:

If you are higher on the map, even a simple roof over the 2 tiles occupied by the miner itself is sufficient. 

No, it is not. And I am at the very top of the map.

[Rainbowdesign]

5 hours ago, crypticorb said:

Mods?

Obviously

[Exa]

I use steel robo-miner and they never overheat, they are around 200~250 C but never reach 275 C without any kind of managment. they are in vacum

[suicide commando]

If you put the robo miner upside down hanging from 2 bunker tiles, they will work fine and won't get entombed, just make them out of steel so they don't overheat. Another method is to put 2 bunker tiles over it, but put bunker doors left and right of the bunker tiles, which close during the meteor storms. Then open up afterwards, the regolith that's been accumulated drops down straight and your miners are free to clear it away.

My own setup, is this, with the floor on which the robo's miner made of glass or diamond, under which I put my solar panels.

It's probably not the most power effective system, but it works, and produces a metric ton of power.

 

[Neotuck]

1 hour ago, suicide commando said:

If you put the robo miner upside down hanging from 2 bunker tiles, they will work fine and won't get entombed, just make them out of steel so they don't overheat. Another method is to put 2 bunker tiles over it, but put bunker doors left and right of the bunker tiles, which close during the meteor storms. Then open up afterwards, the regolith that's been accumulated drops down straight and your miners are free to clear it away.

My own setup, is this, with the floor on which the robo's miner made of glass or diamond, under which I put my solar panels.

It's probably not the most power effective system, but it works, and produces a metric ton of power.

 

Don't your robo miners generate their own heat?  And if they are in a vacuum won't they eventually overheat?

[Yunru]

Didn't they change it so buildings interact with the tiles they're on?

[Neotuck]

3 minutes ago, Yunru said:

Didn't they change it so buildings interact with the tiles they're on?

I haven't heard that

but from what I have seen while playing they don't

[suicide commando]

They don't seem to, either that, or the heat gets disipated into the glass, I plan to eventually run a petroleum radiant pipe through the glass to collect said heat and send it into a steam generator.

First I have a few other projects to do in my main base, building my new living quarters for my dupes, a new kitchen and new mess halls, recreational halls and whatnot, then use the old part of the base to build some extra bristle blossom farms.
Oh and a new bigger toilet, 2 lavatories is starting to become a bit cramped for my 24 dupes.
 

[Rainbowdesign]

I have an electrolyser and backwalls there to generate a small atmosphere in space to make sure nothing overheats (i play on an aquantic world so there is enough water). That way the heat goes with the oxygen thats going into space.

I had no need for extra cooling.

 

 

I took a quick look into the config files and it seems it indead heats a little - i really did not notice it.

 

    buildingDef.ExhaustKilowattsWhenActive = 0.0f;
    buildingDef.SelfHeatKilowattsWhenActive = 2f;

 

[Neotuck]

3 hours ago, Exa said:

I use steel robo-miner and they never overheat, they are around 200~250 C but never reach 275 C without any kind of managment. they are in vacum

 

44 minutes ago, suicide commando said:

They don't seem to, either that, or the heat gets disipated into the glass, I plan to eventually run a petroleum radiant pipe through the glass to collect said heat and send it into a steam generator.

I had a hard time believing this so I ran a little experiment in debug mode

In the pictures I set up a steel robo-miner in a vacuum upside down on cold bunker tiles -60C

as it mined I spawned in more material for it to dig, it continued to heat up

whenever I turned it off the heat wouldn't change despite touching cold steel bunker tiles

as I had thought the robo-miner generates it's own heat when it runs but won't cool back down in a vacuum

eventually it reached 275C and started to overheat, I turned off the robo-miner immediately

 

Despite being off or being in contact with a -60C bunker tile, the robo-miner maintained a temperature of exactly 276.1C and continued to take overheat damage

eventually it broke

And just to see if tempshift plates helps I spawned a steel one in at 20C

The tempshift plate quickly exchanged heat with the bunker tile but not with the robo-miner and quickly dropped to -60C

The robo-miner is still an exact 276.1C

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So just to recap:

1.  Robo-miners generate their own heat while mining

2.  They do not exchange heat from what ever surface they are attached to or tempshift plates

3.  In a vacuum they are perfectly insulated and are unable to cool down

4.  Regardless of what they are made of they will overheat in a vacuum, it's just a matter of time 

 

[Exa]

In my build, regolith often fall on my robo-miners and they free each other, so maybe it "cool" them under 275 C as regolith is usually under 275 C

[Neotuck]

2 minutes ago, Exa said:

In my build, regolith often fall on my robo-miners and they free each other, so maybe it "cool" them under 275 C as regolith is usually under 275 C

ah, that's the same as my build

If regolith falls on it then they are no longer in a vacuum (entombed) and will exhange heat with the regolith

[Exa]

Yes I was not accurate about that point, they are in vaccum most of the time, but I actually count on the periodical entombment for the cooling effect

[Neotuck]

In addition I also keep the glass cold from underneath, that way the regolith functions like a thermal bridge exchanging heat with both

[Exa]

Same here, except I dont cool the glass in any way... I could have problems with that after a long time, I will use a cooling pipe through it, should be enough

[DMFan79]

1 hour ago, Yunru said:

Didn't they change it so buildings interact with the tiles they're on?

 

1 hour ago, Neotuck said:

I haven't heard that

but from what I have seen while playing they don't

There's some sort of temp exchange for sure:

[Neotuck]

6 minutes ago, Exa said:

Same here, except I dont cool the glass in any way... I could have problems with that after a long time, I will use a cooling pipe through it, should be enough

main reason I keep it cool is for the large battery bank I keep under the solar panels

thank goodness ice planets give so many wort seeds 

4 minutes ago, DMFan79 said:

There's some sort of temp exchange for sure:

there is but not the way you think

[DMFan79]

1 minute ago, Neotuck said:

there is but not the way you think

The problem is I didn't expect what happened. The LOS in the tank raised its temp because of the tile underneath it. No pipes ever passed through that tile.

[Exa]

Very strong setup Neotuck, but I still don't have access to ice planet, so my wortseeds are limited and all already used for vital purpose.

about your setup, did you try to use pneumatic door under space scanner for not waste light? just a detail though 

 

EDIT : ok I just realized you cannot use logic with pneumatic doors...

[Neotuck]

Just now, DMFan79 said:

The problem is I didn't expect what happened. The LOS in the tank raised its temp because of the tile underneath it. No pipes ever passed through that tile.

hard to tell from your picture but I'm assuming a pipe broke leaking super cooled gas onto the tile? 

1 minute ago, Exa said:

did you try to use pneumatic door under space scanner for not waste light? just a detail though 

can't build on pneumatic doors

[DMFan79]

Just now, Neotuck said:

hard to tell from your picture but I'm assuming a pipe broke leaking super cooled gas onto the tile? 

Nope. That's the odd thing. Nothing happened at all. I built the tank in vacuum for the very purpose of keeping the LOS cold. Never piped the output and nothing ever touched neither the tile nor the tank.

I've only used one insulated ceramic pipe to send the LOS to the tank, but the tank input slot is in the right uppermost tile.

[Neotuck]

Just now, DMFan79 said:

Nope. That's the odd thing. Nothing happened at all. I built the tank in vacuum for the very purpose of keeping the LOS cold. Never piped the output and nothing ever touched neither the tile nor the tank.

I've only used one insulated ceramic pipe to send the LOS to the tank, but the tank input slot is in the right uppermost tile.

very odd

I will say while the tank won't exchange heat from the vacuum, it will exchange heat with it's contents (very slowly)

so if the tank is warm it will slowly heat up the LOS

[DMFan79]

Just now, Neotuck said:

very odd

I will say while the tank won't exchange heat from the vacuum, it will exchange heat with it's contents (very slowly)

so if the tank is warm it will slowly heat up the LOS

Yes, that was expected, what I didn't expect is the content exchanging heat with the left tile under the tank.

When the LOS entered the tank it was around -188°, I don't remember the temp of the ceramic tile, but I guess it was around 40°.

The two temps slowly averaged around -117° as you can see (to my dismay)

[Neotuck]

2 minutes ago, DMFan79 said:

Yes, that was expected, what I didn't expect is the content exchanging heat with the left tile under the tank.

When the LOS entered the tank it was around -188°, I don't remember the temp of the ceramic tile, but I guess it was around 40°.

The two temps slowly averaged around -117° as you can see (to my dismay)

might be a bug, building temperatures shouldn't exchange while in a vacuum

11 minutes ago, Exa said:

EDIT : ok I just realized you cannot use logic with pneumatic doors...

wouldn't mater, regolith falls though it even when closed

unfortunately we can't build on top of them

EDIT:  Wait are you sure?

I see a logic port on it

[crypticorb]

25 minutes ago, DMFan79 said:

 

There's some sort of temp exchange for sure:

In a different thread, I saw a demonstration of someones LH2 build that used gas reservoirs for a similar purpose you are using. In a vacuum, storages do exchange heat with their supporting tiles, but ONLY one tile.

The solution is simple: use mesh tiles. Mesh tiles take on the properties of the material they contain, be it liquid, gas, or vacuum. Using a single mesh tile in vacuum beneath the center tile of a gas reservoir was proved to prevent all thermal exchange. From your picture, it appears that it is exchanging with the left of the two supporting tiles.