Need help cooling water

[Oni Noob]

Hi Guys,

Need suggestion on whats he best way to get large amount of cold water. Because currently I am around 600 cycle and I am losing large amount of cold water ever cycle because I have 2 oxydizer and also a farm of sleet wheet. I think I am losing around 60 kg of water every cycle. What my current setup is I am using around dozen of wheezewort and radiant liquid pipes to cool down a water of 40c to 5c. Note I got a lot of electricity to spare so I could use a coupe of aquatuner if needed but not sure if thats better than using wheezewort to cool water

[PhailRaptor]

Definitely set up some Aquatuners.  Cooling liquids with gases (which is what you're doing with the Wheezeworts) is incredibly inefficient.

[thejams]

Feed hot water directly to electrolyzer (I assume that is what you mean when you say you oxydizer).  Cool down the oxygen with Wheezeworts.  Each Wheezewort will cool down enough Oxygen from 70 to 20°C for 2 duplicants, if the Wheezewort is situated in Hydrogen or Natural Gas with high enough density (at least 2kg/tile).  Here is an example:

Otherwise, I would say that the simplest method would be to use Aquatuners transferring heat to polluted water which is then sent to the Water Sieve.  The higher the temperature of the polluted water that is sent to the sieve, the more efficient the system.

4 minutes ago, PhailRaptor said:

Definitely set up some Aquatuners.  Cooling liquids with gases (which is what you're doing with the Wheezeworts) is incredibly inefficient.

It's inadequate, not inefficient.  Wheezeworts can be pretty efficient at cooling, the problem is they remove very little heat compared to how much is needed.

[tzionut]

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Otherwise, I would say that the simplest method would be to use Aquatuners transferring heat to polluted water which is then sent to the Water Sieve.  The higher the temperature of the polluted water that is sent to the sieve, the more efficient the system.

If you want to get rid of regolith the most efficient way to cool water is whit aquatuner submerged in magma...I finish my 29 degrees water reservoir and now i have an 1 degrees water tank...

Post edit. It uses the indestructible aquatuner bug... so if you don't want to use it ....stick to polluted water filtered whit sieve or vented in space...

[Kazumiya]

Boring way => restart with a Slush geyser seed near the base x) Those things are OP if you ask me... Last time I did this it was super useful... Electrolyser sent oxygen at 10°C in the base <3 

There is too many advantage to use a slush geyser... Just because THE REFINERY boys ...

[Sasza22]

You can build some aquatuners but that`s boring. Better pipe your water with radiant pipes through an ice biome. Not only you cool it down but you get more water in the process.

[thejams]

@Sasza22 I kinda refuse to do things that are not sustainable.  I always look at long term solutions, not just interim dump-it-somwhere ones, which BTW are the more boring ones IMO.

[Neotuck]

17 minutes ago, Sasza22 said:

You can build some aquatuners but that`s boring. Better pipe your water with radiant pipes through an ice biome. Not only you cool it down but you get more water in the process.

ice biomes don't stay cold

[Sasza22]

10 hours ago, Neotuck said:

ice biomes don't stay cold

When it heats up you move to another one. That`s what you do in real life, right?

Nvm i just like doing that but it`s not something that will work forever. Just one possible solution, especially good early game when you struggle for power.

[Kazumiya]

You do know why ice biome doesn't stay cold forever right ? Maybe stop stealing those poor wheezworts from Mother EARTH... Mother asteroid ? =P

[beowulf2010]

10 hours ago, Neotuck said:

ice biomes don't stay cold

For me, that's the entire point of putting Aquatuners and refineries in ice biomes. I want the liquid in the biome without loosing half of it to digging. 

[Neotuck]

Just now, beowulf2010 said:

For me, that's the entire point of putting Aquatuners and refineries in ice biomes. I want the liquid in the biome without loosing half of it to digging. 

I use to let a steam vent drip into an ice biome for the same reason

[beowulf2010]

2 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

I use to let a steam vent drip into an ice biome for the same reason

It really is amazing how well that works. Have a Cool Steam Vent in a cold biome on my current map. Hmmm... Now that I think on it, I think it's a map seed I got from you. Thanks! 

[Neotuck]

6 minutes ago, beowulf2010 said:

It really is amazing how well that works. Have a Cool Steam Vent in a cold biome on my current map. Hmmm... Now that I think on it, I think it's a map seed I got from you. Thanks! 

this one?

[beowulf2010]

1 hour ago, Neotuck said:

this one?

Nope. It was a buried geyser in the middle of the ice. I'll check the seed tonight. There was also another buried Cool Steam in a very similar position to a second ice biome very similar to your picture. 

[Neotuck]

5 minutes ago, beowulf2010 said:

Nope. It was a buried geyser in the middle of the ice. I'll check the seed tonight. There was also another buried Cool Steam in a very similar position to a second ice biome very similar to your picture. 

must not be the same seed then, this one only has the 2 exposed steam vents

all the burred ones are slush geysers and metal volcanoes, my favorite seed so far

[Oni Noob]

Ok so Aquatuner is the best and fastest way but How can I maintain the coolness of my aqua tuner?

[Neotuck]

10 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

Ok so Aquatuner is the best and fastest way but How can I maintain the coolness of my aqua tuner?

keep it submerged in a liquid you don't mind getting warm/hot, I like to use polluted water created from my generators and bathrooms

you'll end up deleting the heat anyways when you sieve it

[Oni Noob]

2 hours ago, Neotuck said:

keep it submerged in a liquid you don't mind getting warm/hot, I like to use polluted water created from my generators and bathrooms

you'll end up deleting the heat anyways when you sieve it

How do you guys prevent the pipes getting to aquatuner from getting cold damage. 

[PhailRaptor]

2 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

How do you guys prevent the pipes getting to aquatuner from getting cold damage. 

Generally you want to use the Pipe Thermal Sensor to check the temperature of the liquid, and send that signal to a Liquid Shutoff.  Use a Pipe Thermal Sensor to detect packets that are within 14 C of a state change.  If the packet is safe for the Aquatuner, let it continue down the pipe, if it's not activate the Shutoff to pull it on a bypass around the Aquatuner.

[Oni Noob]

I think they should create a mini aquatuner that only cools liquid to 7c

[mathmanican]

They have (kind of).  The liquid reservoir. If you send every other packet to a reservoir, and have the aquatuner's output go through the reservoir too, then they will mix and equalize temperatures instantly inside the reservoir.  In this way, you can easily make just about any temperature drop you want, with some clever piping. 

[thejams]

22 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

How do you guys prevent the pipes getting to aquatuner from getting cold damage. 

Setup the piping going in and out of the Aquatuner like this.  Set a pipe temperature sensor right in front of the Aquatuner at freezing point +14 degrees (Above).  Connect automation wire to the Aquatuner.

What this does is if it detects a packet of liquid coming into the Aquatuner that would cause it to freeze, it turns off the Aquatuner and forces the liquid to bypass it (pretty much what @PhailRaptor wrote).

[onlineous]

On 3-10-2018 at 8:25 AM, PhailRaptor said:

Definitely set up some Aquatuners.  Cooling liquids with gases (which is what you're doing with the Wheezeworts) is incredibly inefficient.

Your definition of inefficient is different than mine. I would say wheezeworts are the most efficient cold source in the game (especially when exposed to a hydrogen environment). No input --> cold with unlimited efficiency. Aquatuners in turn are really inefficient: they don't create cold, they just move it and have a big power draw. Anti-entropy devices are somewhere in the middle: they produce quite a lot of cold, but need a bit of hydrogen. 

On 3-10-2018 at 8:17 AM, Oni Noob said:

Hi Guys,

Need suggestion on whats he best way to get large amount of cold water. Because currently I am around 600 cycle and I am losing large amount of cold water ever cycle because I have 2 oxydizer and also a farm of sleet wheet. I think I am losing around 60 kg of water every cycle. What my current setup is I am using around dozen of wheezewort and radiant liquid pipes to cool down a water of 40c to 5c. Note I got a lot of electricity to spare so I could use a coupe of aquatuner if needed but not sure if thats better than using wheezewort to cool water

I hope you don't try to cool the water going into the electrolyzer, the toilets and the showers right? Only the water for the sleetwheat farm has to be cold, and you could sustain quite a decent sleetwheat farm on a anti-entropy thermo nulifier / or half a dozen wheezeworts. I tend to feed (cooled down) filtered water to my wheezes. Water comes out of the water filter around 40 degrees, which is a big difference with condensed water from the steam vents on your map.

Ways to gain more water in general / use less water:

- Set up a polluted oxygen condenser system, in which you use cold to refine the polluted oxygen in your base to clean oxygen (especially useful if you have a polluted oxygen vent like my current map has). (my example below)

- Make a lossless petroleum refinery in which you turn crude oil to petroleum. Using petroleum in a petroleum generator gives you a big amount of (polluted) water. Even if you have to pump some water in the oil well the result is still positive with regards to water. (my example below).

- Use natural gas generators: why let that natural gas vent overpressurize when it's a 'free' way of getting energy and water? Natural gas generators generate less polluted water than a petroleum generator, but definitely aren't bad. They also provide you with CO2, which you could either feed to your slicksters or (my solution) use with a carbon skimmer. That means hot water --> carbon dioxide skimmer --> water sieve --> 40 degrees water for your sleet farm. 

- I assume that you use plumbed toilets, if not: they generate more (polluted) water then they consume.