Pacu Math

[SakuraKoi]

22 minutes ago, yoakenashi said:

I think this is the part I am missing. I didn’t realize their starting value was variable. Thanks for mentioning this!

I'd like to say again that I do not know if this is actually the case, it's a possibility which could explain this

23 minutes ago, yoakenashi said:

Nope. I’m not running any mods, I like my games like I like my ice cream: vanilla. Haha.

Welp, I prefer the holy trinity, plus Advocaat/Egg liqueur~

32 minutes ago, Sasza22 said:

Has anyone done the math around feeding pacus using stuff from space? You can get a bit of algae and slime from the organic mass. I wonder how many pacus can you sustain with one rocket launching non stop and what would be the petroleum to meat conversion.

The problem is primarily around not only the variable values (IIRC Organic Mass is around 18-23% for both) but travel time is also not widely known. I'll have to dig up my old math on the best rocket "designs" which however will be void in less than 48h anyway, probably.

Here it is also worth mentioning that Pacu feeding is not for meat but multiplying them, I guess that one cargo bay could spawn about 3-4 additional ones. Perhaps +~200 kcal grisly meat per cycle? Or maybe the meat math is a bit different and not dependent on life cycle but spawn cycle or both... I guess I am already pretty tired now.

[PhailRaptor]

13 hours ago, Craigjw said:

I'm not convinced.   I have several natural pools of polluted water, untouched by my development, they used to contain pacu and also have egg shells at the bottom, but with no creatures in the enclosure at all.

I addressed that in one of my other posts.  Even if you make no changes to the temperature of their environment, all Pacu have a 2% base chance of laying a Gulp Fish egg instead of a regular Pacu.  The Gulp Fish will then be in an environment that is too hot for it to survive, causing it to die either before reaching adulthood, or shortly thereafter.  There will not be any time for it to lay an egg in that scenario.

[tzionut]

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And I just thought that it would look nicer with glass tiles

It is glass tiles...

Post edit...and my hobby is to gather all the creatures in my base  a have a drekos labirinth (still in construction), a fishtank, a slickster area for dumping co2, and a puff area for all the wild puffs in the asteroid... In my old base a have also an oxylite production whit puffs, In this game all my creatures will be wild.

[Craigjw]

8 hours ago, tzionut said:

It is glass tiles...

Post edit...and my hobby is to gather all the creatures in my base  a have a drekos labirinth (still in construction), a fishtank, a slickster area for dumping co2, and a puff area for all the wild puffs in the asteroid... In my old base a have also an oxylite production whit puffs, In this game all my creatures will be wild.

Have you managed to find any wild dupes yet?

[Kazumiya]

-__-' Didn't notice it was glass... because it doesn't look like glass at all... Never got that far into the game, because I think mid-game sucks, so until they rebalance the game; I just enjoy doing 50-60 cycles colonies.

 

[tzionut]

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Have you managed to find any wild dupes yet?

At the beginning... then i tame all.. no pissing around because no toilet, no extended break because no video games and no karaoke, and no soul food because only mush bar...

[Oni Noob]

On 10/2/2018 at 2:00 AM, tzionut said:

Well you always can reduce the number of tamed pacu and store a few separated. Then feed them 1 algae/ cycle...they will not die and lay at least 3 eggs.. see fishomatic topic. 

 

Would you know why he is placing the eggs in the door? Its french cant quite understand his reason

[Saturnus]

6 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

Would you know why he is placing the eggs in the door? Its french cant quite understand his reason

Without even having seen the video I'd guess that it's because doors are not part of the room so eggs (and critters) inside does not count toward the critter maximum in a room. 

[Oni Noob]

Just now, Saturnus said:

Without even having seen the video I'd guess that it's because doors are not part of the room so eggs (and critters) inside does not count toward the critter maximum in a room. 

I was about to reply to my comment because I now I understand where he use the door, but one thing it was not clear to me is how is he feeding the second pond, there is no fish feeder

Or is it getting hatch as wild already and doesn't need to get fed

[PhailRaptor]

If memory serves, there is no intention of feeding the second pond.  Most Pacu related builds do whatever can possibly be done to maintain the Wild status, so as to remove the need for feeding.  A Wild critter will, under most circumstances, always survive long enough to produce an egg.

[tzionut]

The role of the door as the player said ( as much french i remember from school) is for separating the eggs from the fish (the second pond). I don't see the reason for it. I suppose you refer about the door that the eggs resting until hatch...The other doors is for separate the conveyor loader from the sweep arm. Much under you have mariilyn design and my design...

[Mariilyn]

8 hours ago, Oni Noob said:

how is he feeding the second pond, there is no fish feeder

Or is it getting hatch as wild already and doesn't need to get fed

Unfed tamed pacus get the glum debuff. In this state, their metabolism is slowed down by 80%. They burn calories at a much lower rate, thus allowing them to survive long enough to lay one egg before dying.

[Oni Noob]

24 minutes ago, Mariilyn said:

Unfed tamed pacus get the glum debuff. In this state, their metabolism is slowed down by 80%. They burn calories at a much lower rate, thus allowing them to survive long enough to lay one egg before dying.

ok I am excited to try this, thanks for sharing

 

[Oni Noob]

13 hours ago, Mariilyn said:

Unfed tamed pacus get the glum debuff. In this state, their metabolism is slowed down by 80%. They burn calories at a much lower rate, thus allowing them to survive long enough to lay one egg before dying.

I have a question how come the egg I am producing on the 1st chamber is tame or the wildness is already at 0%? 

[PhailRaptor]

2 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

I have a question how come the egg I am producing on the 1st chamber is tame or the wildness is already at 0%? 

Offspring will inherit the Wildness of their parents.  If the parents are tame, the offspring will be as well.

[Oni Noob]

Just now, PhailRaptor said:

Offspring will inherit the Wildness of their parents.  If the parents are tame, the offspring will be as well.

So how can prevent that so that the population of my left tank increases

If my understanding is correct if a pacu is tame and it wasnt fed, it will die without even producing a egg right?

[tzionut]

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If my understanding is correct if a pacu is tame and it wasnt fed, it will die without even producing a egg right?

If tamed you can fed 1 algae / cycle and he will produce 3 eggs

 

[SakuraKoi]

30 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

If my understanding is correct if a pacu is tame and it wasnt fed, it will die without even producing a egg right?

Wrong, it can not only survive until it lays an egg at cycle 20 but even survive until the end of its lifetime~

Starvation does not remove base fertility and it takes 10 cycles to terminate the pitiful life.

Pacu spawn with ~450kcal+, are babies for 5 cycles and burn 10kcal per cycle, adults live then 20 cycles and burn 20kcal per cycle if not feed so they might never starve 

Rather ironic that it kills them to be feed but too little, dying at like 19 cycles.

[Oni Noob]

7 minutes ago, SakuraKoi said:

Wrong, it can not only survive until it lays an egg at cycle 20 but even survive until the end of its lifetime~

Starvation does not remove base fertility and it takes 10 cycles to terminate the pitiful life.

Pacu spawn with ~450kcal+, are babies for 5 cycles and burn 10kcal per cycle, adults live then 20 cycles and burn 20kcal per cycle if not feed so they might never starve 

Rather ironic that it kills them to be feed but too little, dying at like 19 cycles.

Ahh I see, thanks for confirming this

[Oni Noob]

23 hours ago, SakuraKoi said:

Wrong, it can not only survive until it lays an egg at cycle 20 but even survive until the end of its lifetime~

Starvation does not remove base fertility and it takes 10 cycles to terminate the pitiful life.

Pacu spawn with ~450kcal+, are babies for 5 cycles and burn 10kcal per cycle, adults live then 20 cycles and burn 20kcal per cycle if not feed so they might never starve 

Rather ironic that it kills them to be feed but too little, dying at like 19 cycles.

One more question does it have any effect if I place the egg into the incubator and release it on the tank that has no food? I want to make the process faster

Not sure if placing it on an incubator has a negative efftect

[SakuraKoi]

34 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

One more question does it have any effect if I place the egg into the incubator and release it on the tank that has no food? I want to make the process faster

Not sure if placing it on an incubator has a negative efftect

The sole "negative effect" of Incubators is that they consume a lot of electricity and, well, they require a dupe to spend their time hugging (not singing) for the egg to hatch faster. There is no nothing in relation to placing eggs in an incubator and releasing it somewhere where the PETA does not approve, One merely needs to have someone who automatically delivers the baby to the right tubus.

[Oni Noob]

10 hours ago, SakuraKoi said:

The sole "negative effect" of Incubators is that they consume a lot of electricity and, well, they require a dupe to spend their time hugging (not singing) for the egg to hatch faster. There is no nothing in relation to placing eggs in an incubator and releasing it somewhere where the PETA does not approve, One merely needs to have someone who automatically delivers the baby to the right tubus.

Its ok, PETA can sue me. For me they are just resources that made by God to be consumed. ^_^