Some questions (2) about automation

[N00bieMeap]

so let get to the content
- are there anyway to make a logic system that: active if duplicant go "in" and deactive if duplicant go "out"?
- (not really necessary cause i dunno where to use) are there any way to make a logic gate at higher priority than others?

[InternetGuy]

First: Pressure plates (I think they're called pressure plates)

Second: I think there's a work around with logic gates if you know how each works. What are you trying to do?

[BlueLance]

10 minutes ago, N00bieMeap said:

- are there anyway to make a logic system that: active if duplicant go "in" and deactive if duplicant go "out"?

If you use a memory toggle it would be possible, have two switches, switch 1 being closest to the door, switch 2 being further from the door.

When a dupe walks into a room and steps on switch 2 this will activate whatever the memory toggle is on. When the dupe leave the room he will step back over switch 2 (Does nothing since it is already on) and then they will walk on switch 1 which resets the system.

I am not entirely sure what you mean by the second question

[Saturnus]

25 minutes ago, N00bieMeap said:

- are there anyway to make a logic system that: active if duplicant go "in" and deactive if duplicant go "out"?

Theoretically yes but all systems that rely on weight plates tends to fail as there could be several dupes going in and out so without strict dupe control it will fail that way. There's also the problem of dupes dropping things everywhere if that happens on a weight plate it goes permanently on until the stuff is picked up.

[Sasza22]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

Doesn't work as the door will be closed so the dupe can't path to the room.

Yes it needs 2 doors to work each working to one side. When a dupe goes in he steps on a weight plate and closes one door and opens the other.

 

27 minutes ago, N00bieMeap said:

- (not really necessary cause i dunno where to use) are there any way to make a logic gate at higher priority than others?

It`s doable if i understant correctly what you mean. You can make a logic gate connect to another so that one activates first and the second only based on the first one. But i can`t give you an example if i don`t know what you want to use it for.

[Enno]

31 minutes ago, Sasza22 said:

Yes it needs 2 doors to work each working to one side. When a dupe goes in he steps on a weight plate and closes one door and opens the other

That most likely won't work as the doors that are closed by automation are locked, a dupe would never try to get in it. A dupe checkpoint should work the way you explained.

Edit: One checkpoint should be enough, if you have the first plate after the entrance. 

[The Plum Gate]

1 hour ago, N00bieMeap said:

(not really necessary cause i dunno where to use) are there any way to make a logic gate at higher priority than others?

Yes, I made a post about this when I was doing something with pumps using xor+and ...let me see. It's basically a priority interrupt. The are other ways to go about it though. 

 

[Sasza22]

3 hours ago, Enno said:

That most likely won't work as the doors that are closed by automation are locked, a dupe would never try to get in it. A dupe checkpoint should work the way you explained.

That depends on what is the goal. If you want other dupes to wait until one goes out then a checkpoint. /if you want only one to go in at a time and others not attempting then a set of 3 doors one set only out one only in and one controlled by automation after the only out one.

[Enno]

1 hour ago, Sasza22 said:

That depends on what is the goal. If you want other dupes to wait until one goes out then a checkpoint. /if you want only one to go in at a time and others not attempting then a set of 3 doors one set only out one only in and one controlled by automation after the only out one.

How would a dupe walk through then? I think I don't understand what you mean, sorry. 

[Saturnus]

I managed to solve the problem. It's a bit trickier than it might seem.

The system has 4 weight plates; the two on the left are connected, and so are the two on the right. Using only two some times gave no detection but with 4 it seems to always work.

What then happen is there's two 0.1s filter that delay the signal from both the left and the right weight plates. These delayed signals are compared with the undelayed signal from the opposite weight plate pair in two AND gates. This tells the system if the dupe is moving left or right. This is then just put into the SR latch which (in this set up) turns on if the dupe is moving from left to right, and turns off if the dupe is moving from right to left.

If you want the opposite, either use a NOT gate, or change the S and R signals on the latch around.

[geniusthemaster]

you could use it in combination with the air-suit-checkpoint that should slow them down enough to use the weight-plate dupe-checkpoint combo.

[goatt]

6 hours ago, Saturnus said:

Theoretically yes but all systems that rely on weight plates tends to fail as there could be several dupes going in and out so without strict dupe control it will fail that way. There's also the problem of dupes dropping things everywhere if that happens on a weight plate it goes permanently on until the stuff is picked up.

I wish they have +1 “reaction”, then I can just poke +1 on your reply.  

[Sasza22]

18 hours ago, Enno said:

How would a dupe walk through then? I think I don't understand what you mean, sorry. 

I think i`m pretty bad in explaining it. What i mean is basically 2 doors one above the other. The one on the top is set one way only (to inside the base) the bottom is controlled with automation. If a dupe goes out it closes the bottom door so other dupes don`t attempt to path that way but the dupe can go back through toe top door (since dupes can climb 2 tiles high). When he goes back it opens the door.

The third door i mentioned has no special setting it`s there just so the gases won`t mix when the bottom door is open.

The automation is controlled by weight plates on both sides of the door. I`ll try to build that later and paste a screenshot.

[Enno]

1 hour ago, Sasza22 said:

I think i`m pretty bad in explaining it. What i mean is basically 2 doors one above the other. The one on the top is set one way only (to inside the base) the bottom is controlled with automation. If a dupe goes out it closes the bottom door so other dupes don`t attempt to path that way but the dupe can go back through toe top door (since dupes can climb 2 tiles high). When he goes back it opens the door.

The third door i mentioned has no special setting it`s there just so the gases won`t mix when the bottom door is open.

The automation is controlled by weight plates on both sides of the door. I`ll try to build that later and paste a screenshot.

Ahh I get it, I understood it as next to each other not on top of each other. I was really wondering if there was a mechanic about this that I don't know, but this way is pretty good.