Pipes and electrolyzer

[youtube_stmmomo]

There is no infinite electrolyzer bug.
a pipe to keep the contents rotating

The important point is the pipe here.
The contents can be rotated continuously using a bridge.

So we can operate it only when we want it and use it reliably.

If you want a video, you can come to my YouTube channel.

https://youtu.be/RlWgSHNHTRM

[psusi]

What are you trying to say now?

That's also not the way to build an electrolyzer.  You are getting oxygen mixed in with your hydrogen.

 

[youtube_stmmomo]

 

5 minutes ago, psusi said:

What are you trying to say now?

That's also not the way to build an electrolyzer.  You are getting oxygen mixed in with your hydrogen.

 

What I want to say is the bottom pipe.
If you spin the contents of a gas tube using a bridge, you can get hydrogen and oxygen without mixing.

In addition, this facility can have a similar effect as an electrolyzer using bugs.
If you can't believe it, try building it.

[Saturnus]

1 minute ago, youtube_stmmomo said:

What I want to say is the bottom pipe.
If you spin the contents of a gas tube using a bridge, you can get hydrogen and oxygen without mixing.

I think that has been know for quite some time. 16-18 months at least I reckon.

[youtube_stmmomo]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

I think that has been know for quite some time. 16-18 months at least I reckon.

It has been a long time since I used it too.
The reason for writing is that there are no writers.

[Saturnus]

Just now, youtube_stmmomo said:

It has been a long time since I used it too.
The reason for writing is that there are no writers.

Fair enough.

[youtube_stmmomo]

1 minute ago, Saturnus said:

Fair enough.

And that gas sensor wasn't there 16-18 months ago.
I used the gas sensor as it came out.

[Saturnus]

9 minutes ago, youtube_stmmomo said:

And that gas sensor wasn't there 16-18 months ago.
I used the gas sensor as it came out.

Correct but the principle was and is the same with mechanical filters which was.

[psusi]

Wait, I can't tell from the picture.. are you using an element sensor and a shut-off valve?  If so that's pretty obvious and inefficient.  I'm not sure what bugs you are referring to, but if you simply position the pumps and electrolyzer right you can use the natural gas sorting order to get only hydrogen to the top pump, which is activated with a pressure sensor, and only oxygen to the bottom pump, which you don't even need a sensor on... at least as long as your flow of water never stops

 

[youtube_stmmomo]

6 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Correct but the principle was and is the same with mechanical filters which was.

When using gas filters
If the bridge was used, it was an excellent choice.

5 minutes ago, psusi said:

Wait, I can't tell from the picture.. are you using an element sensor and a shut-off valve?  If so that's pretty obvious and inefficient.  I'm not sure what bugs you are referring to, but if you simply position the pumps and electrolyzer right you can use the natural gas sorting order to get only hydrogen to the top pump, which is activated with a pressure sensor, and only oxygen to the bottom pump, which you don't even need a sensor on... at least as long as your flow of water never stops

 

There is still an electrolyzer bug in use.
with water and polluted water
It is a bug that deceives the pressure of the machine.
The bug is a deadly bad effect on gameplay.

[Angpaur]

Don't place electrolyzer and pumps like this. Such kind of setup is deleting hydrogen.

[youtube_stmmomo]

3 minutes ago, Angpaur said:

Don't place electrolyzer and pumps like this. Such kind of setup is deleting hydrogen.

It seems necessary to verify that hydrogen is removed.
However, hydrogen from the electrolyzer is enough to produce its own electricity.

If you ask, is it the pump side that hydrogen is removed?
Or is it the outlet?

[Carnis]

Im so baffled why every1 insists on making variations of pump+ electrolyzer to spread a gas (O2), that diffuses naturally in a non controlled system.

[psusi]

12 minutes ago, Angpaur said:

Don't place electrolyzer and pumps like this. Such kind of setup is deleting hydrogen.

How is that?

2 minutes ago, Carnis said:

Im so baffled why every1 insists on making variations of pump+ electrolyzer to spread a gas (O2), that diffuses naturally in a non controlled system.

Because 1) you need to separate it from the hydrogen, and 2) you need to cool it down before spreading hot air all over your base.  Also 3) it tends not to diffuse enough over more than a dozen or so tiles.

[youtube_stmmomo]

6 minutes ago, Carnis said:

Im so baffled why every1 insists on making variations of pump+ electrolyzer to spread a gas (O2), that diffuses naturally in a non controlled system.

The reason for using this is simple.
I like to collect gases and want the oxygen supply of Exoscht.
However, it can be solved through this facility.

 

17 minutes ago, Angpaur said:

Don't place electrolyzer and pumps like this. Such kind of setup is deleting hydrogen.

I've done a few experiments, but I can't confirm that the gas disappears.
Your opinion is therefore not helpful to me.

5 minutes ago, psusi said:

How is that?

We did some experiments, but nothing was removed, so we could produce more gas safely.

[Carnis]

53 minutes ago, psusi said:

How is that?

Because 1) you need to separate it from the hydrogen, and 2) you need to cool it down before spreading hot air all over your base.  Also 3) it tends not to diffuse enough over more than a dozen or so tiles.

1) top of base, single pump. Mech filter. Infinite Power, infact you have to constantly burn or vent hydro to not drown in it.

2) heat capacity is so underwhelming, a cooled polluted water loop will cool the Air, so no heat problem.

3) true, but this is easily mitigated by placing a 2nd free standing electrolyzer for 120w & 888g vs 240w and 500g.

 

Making spoms held my ONI bases back lightyears.

[NanoD]

the way to test it is to run 100 kg of water and se if you get 12 kg of hydrogen out. if you dont get that then there is hydrogen deletion.

The deletion often happens on a over pressure event of the electrolyzer.

I tested that system it deletes some hydrogen, about 6%. As long the pressure is kept low. so if the system baks up and the pressure rises were the electrolyzer is, you will see lot higher loss of hydrogen. 

[youtube_stmmomo]

19 minutes ago, NanoD said:

the way to test it is to run 100 kg of water and se if you get 12 kg of hydrogen out. if you dont get that then there is hydrogen deletion.

The deletion often happens on a over pressure event of the electrolyzer.

I tested that system it deletes some hydrogen, about 6%. As long the pressure is kept low. so if the system baks up and the pressure rises were the electrolyzer is, you will see lot higher loss of hydrogen. 

Even if hydrogen is deleted, I
There was no difficulty in supplying oxygen to two hydrogen generators, eight workers of oxygen and eight Exoscht.

 

 

[NanoD]

Never said that it didnt work. 

You said that it didnt delete hydrogen and it do. 

And it is great that it is easy to build and efficient. 

[heckubis]

still cant figure out why people build such hot electro systems other then for space saving. feed it cold water let the cold water cool the air through radiant or granite pipes grab the heat from the hydrogen then be cooked into o2. little more space no extra cooling on site.

and that is a really old trick to make gasses and liquids continue to rotate(shhh that a good cooling/ heating trick)

i mean a really old trick. the sun and octopus rotated constantly as giant heat sinks. the hydrogen waves where from a lox yah it froze over a few times.back then over heating wasnt the issue it was that temperatures reset as they moved through pipes so over cooling tended to happen

 

[psusi]

8 hours ago, Carnis said:

1) top of base, single pump. Mech filter. Infinite Power, infact you have to constantly burn or vent hydro to not drown in it.

Of course you have to burn it.  You also don't want it floating all over the place and getting trapped in odd little pockets.

8 hours ago, Carnis said:

2) heat capacity is so underwhelming, a cooled polluted water loop will cool the Air, so no heat problem.

That of course, requires that you first set up a water cooler, and then pipe the water all over the base to keep it cool.  Much easier to just cool it as it comes out of the spom ( which early on can simply be done by running the pipe through one of the starting water pools ).  Also you are wasting cooling capacity cooling down the hydrogen instead of burning it hot.

8 hours ago, Carnis said:

3) true, but this is easily mitigated by placing a 2nd free standing electrolyzer for 120w & 888g vs 240w and 500g.

Uhhh, yea... that's going to chew up a hell of a lot more power space, and be a pain to run the power lines everywhere and make sure they don't get overloaded.  Much easier to stick with one electrolyzer and pipe the air to a few different vents.

[Saturnus]

4 minutes ago, psusi said:

Uhhh, yea... that's going to chew up a hell of a lot more power space, and be a pain to run the power lines everywhere and make sure they don't get overloaded.  Much easier to stick with one electrolyzer and pipe the air to a few different vents.

Electrolyzers only use power (and water) when they actively output gas. The amount of electrolyzers you use doesn't matter if the output gas is the same.

[heckubis]

46 minutes ago, Saturnus said:

Electrolyzers only use power (and water) when they actively output gas. The amount of electrolyzers you use doesn't matter if the output gas is the same.

this is why i use multiple electrolyzers just for the purpose of heat distribution/saturation in my o2 production as large and easy to build as they are multiple points of heat absorption before and after o2 production still positive in energy production

 

[Carnis]

5 hours ago, psusi said:

Of course you have to burn it.  You also don't want it floating all over the place and getting trapped in odd little pockets.

Uhhh, yea... that's going to chew up a hell of a lot more power space, and be a pain to run the power lines everywhere and make sure they don't get overloaded.  Much easier to stick with one electrolyzer and pipe the air to a few different vents.

Sure you can use spoms. But they take a minimum 4by7, usually More like 7by7 or Even 7by14 space.

An electrolyzer on free mode is 2by2 or 4by4 with walls.

I dont mind trapped hydrogen in unused base pockets & use airflow walls in used base pockets.

You should try it sometime, around 480watts power saved per 1kg water electrolyzer.

[psusi]

13 hours ago, Saturnus said:

Electrolyzers only use power (and water) when they actively output gas. The amount of electrolyzers you use doesn't matter if the output gas is the same.

True; but it's still a pain in the ass to wire.  I have enough trouble keeping multiple circuits spreading power around without 4 or 5 more electrolyzers in the mix.