Need help cooling P Water with wheezeworts

[BlueLance]

Sup, I am looking for a build that can cool or help slow down the buildup of heat in a pool of polluted water. Currently I have a tank of polluted water cooling oil which is in turn cooling oil from a leaky oil fissure.

Usually I would just eject and boil the polluted water and chuck new cool water into the system. But given the changes in heat capacity of water I am not sure if I should continue on this way or if I should try to reduce the impact on the polluted water as much as possible.

[Christophlette]

I built this to maintain my NatGas generators room cool. The temp sensor is set at below 10°C so it stops cooling (or almost) when it gets cold.

For this to be the best, you could make it only 8 wide to delete the metal tile in the middle. I made a mistake when building this and I kept it because I was too lazy to redo it all x)

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

That's going to be difficult.

I myself use something similar: I have a metal refinery set up where I use 5 wheezeworts for support cooling. The refinery sits in a completely sealed off room filled with hydrogen with access through tubes. Below the metal refinery sits a pond filled with cool p water and on the bottom compactors filled with ice. I use polluted water as coolant for the refinery and pump it around in a radiator set up in the cooling pond.

This works very well as I still have a lot of unmelted ice inside the compactor while the refinery has been none stop refining iron into steel. But, I am afraid it's difficult to cool things just with the wheezeworts.

[BlueLance]

Yeah i am not looking for it to completely cool the polluted water, I mean if it did then that's amazing, but ideally something that will prolong the system before it gets purged!

Am I right in that I want the wheezeworts to be under the water with metal plates connecting them?

[Christophlette]

The cold wants to go down and heat wants to go up. So for the system to be the most efficient you'll need the wheezeworts above the water you want to cool.

It will work if the ww are under the water. I've done it before and it had nice results too.

[BlueLance]

Won't t then ave to cool the polluted oxygen first before it cools the water?

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

Interesting line of thought

14 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

Yeah i am not looking for it to completely cool the polluted water, I mean if it did then that's amazing, but ideally something that will prolong the system before it gets purged!

Am I right in that I want the wheezeworts to be under the water with metal plates connecting them?

Do you mean the whole plant underwater or standing just in a small puddle? I never even considered this. Should the plant not stiffle, then yes you should do this. Water has a higher heat capacity than hydrogen. Since the wheezewort deletes a fixed 5°C no matter the element, you have a higher heat deletion with water. Should the plant stiffle submerged in water (I always assumed this), you can perhaps manage it with small puddles. The plant absorbs the element at its lowest cell.

Quick math: hydrogen wheezewort cooling removes 12kW of heat. hypothetical water wheezewort cooling removes 4.179/2.4*12kW= 20.96kW. Old Polluted water would have given 6/2.4*12kW=30kW

[BlueLance]

24 minutes ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said:

Interesting line of thought

Do you mean the whole plant underwater or standing just in a small puddle? I never even considered this. Should the plant not stiffle, then yes you should do this. Water has a higher heat capacity than hydrogen. Since the wheezewort deletes a fixed 5°C no matter the element, you have a higher heat deletion with water. Should the plant stiffle submerged in water (I always assumed this), you can perhaps manage it with small puddles. The plant absorbs the element at its lowest cell.

Quick math: hydrogen wheezewort cooling removes 12kW of heat. hypothetical water wheezewort cooling removes 4.179/2.4*12kW= 20.96kW. Old Polluted water would have given 6/2.4*12kW=30kW

I meant in a room under the polluted water with them being connected via metal plates, sorry

I am not sure if it stifles though when under water, never actually tried that

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

15 minutes ago, BlueLance said:

I meant in a room under the polluted water with them being connected via metal plates, sorry

Hmm that should normally only increase heat interaction and equalizing. You are still stuck deleting the same amount of energy just the same, only you are more quickly putting it into the heat sink the water is. You could try to further boost that with temp shift plates.

But here's another interesting line of thought: steam has a higher capacity than hydrogen. Therefore more heat gets deleted with steam. The issue? Wheezeworts don't cool below the condensation point and stiffle at 95°C.

[chemie]

weeze are only good to cool gases; not liquids.  Liquids have too much heat capacity versus the weeze cooling capacity.  Same for AETN.  Use aquatuners

[BlueLance]

24 minutes ago, chemie said:

weeze are only good to cool gases; not liquids.  Liquids have too much heat capacity versus the weeze cooling capacity.  Same for AETN.  Use aquatuners

It is an aquatuner that is heating up the water, I am only looking for something yo prolong the use of the water, not make it indefinite

[ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy]

31 minutes ago, chemie said:

weeze are only good to cool gases; not liquids.  Liquids have too much heat capacity versus the weeze cooling capacity.  Same for AETN.  Use aquatuners

Allow me for a moment to be pedantic: I think that's technically not true. Heat capacity (per gram) isn't a factor for wheezeworts. What you mean is an issue of mass. Since bluelance is trying to do it anyway, we can atleast try how we can make a non-suited heat deletion tool do the best job it can do.

So the question remains: can wheezeworts work underwater, and do they actually cool down liquids in that regard? I'll give that a try this evening in debug mode.

[Sevio]

You can have your wheezewort room connect to your polluted water tank via metal wall <-> door <-> metal wall and automate the doors to open if the room gets too cold (or too hot).

If you really want to make the most of cooling with polluted water, you can still use a technique like the Singularity Mk 3 to delete heat with fixed output temperature of the water sieve, although it is less powerful now than before.

The key is to have a hot room that you can run polluted water through that will get cleaned by the sieve and make sure it reaches the highest temperature possible before turning it into clean water.

I use a build like this in my survival save and the coolant loop actually runs through two wheezewort hydrogen rooms spread across my base in radiant pipes to reinforce the cooling provided by the aquatuner.

[chemie]

2 hours ago, ToiDiaeRaRIsuOy said:

Allow me for a moment to be pedantic: I think that's technically not true. Heat capacity (per gram) isn't a factor for wheezeworts. What you mean is an issue of mass. Since bluelance is trying to do it anyway, we can atleast try how we can make a non-suited heat deletion tool do the best job it can do.

So the question remains: can wheezeworts work underwater, and do they actually cool down liquids in that regard? I'll give that a try this evening in debug mode.

M*cp*dt

Yes, I meant mass but used capacity in a generic sense for the non chemical engineers.  No, weeze do not work submerged.

[brockmasters]

would something with oil/petro work? and instead of using wheezeworts use water that coverts to steam with a steam turbine?

[BlueLance]

16 hours ago, brockmasters said:

would something with oil/petro work? and instead of using wheezeworts use water that coverts to steam with a steam turbine?

Water would only be 119 degrees give or take, not hot enough for a steam turbine iirc

[avc15]

On 8/29/2018 at 3:34 AM, BlueLance said:

Won't t then ave to cool the polluted oxygen first before it cools the water?

you can put the water above the gas chamber to make a more direct contact easier, yes. If you want the system to work regardless of how much water is in the tank, that's probably a better approach anyway.

Also if you pressurize your hydrogen chamber and place tempshift plates correctly, top-bottom arrangement starts to matter a whole lot less.