New PW Boiler design, (NO PO2!)

[Oozinator]

So far i never found any slush geyser on my maps..
I bet, when i finally find one, it's a lazy one..
 

[BlueLance]

They are really rare, I play with more geysers in the map and my chances are still extremely slim

[TOOK14]

4 hours ago, Neotuck said:

Is the single aqua tuner generating enough heat? It took me 6 just to maintain the temp of boiling 10kg/s PW and even then it would cool down leading to down time as it heated back up

It certainly doesn't reach 10kg/sec, but it's a functional  and efficient design.  I really don't want to add more hydrotuners because I want this to be practical to make in a real base, prefferably running off of 1 transformer.  Any ideas to make heat transfer more efficient would be appreciated.

4 hours ago, Carnis said:

Why no preheater tepidizer?

I wanted to try and keep it all on 1 conductive wire, and as is it's about maxed out for 1.  I think I'll have to add a preheater if I want better results anyway.  Maybe if I add the preheater radiator back it'll be enough for my liking.

[Carnis]

29 minutes ago, TOOK14 said:

It certainly doesn't reach 10kg/sec, but it's a functional  and efficient design.  I really don't want to add more hydrotuners because I want this to be practical to make in a real base, prefferably running off of 1 transformer.  Any ideas to make heat transfer more efficient would be appreciated.

I wanted to try and keep it all on 1 conductive wire, and as is it's about maxed out for 1.  I think I'll have to add a preheater if I want better results anyway.  Maybe if I add the preheater radiator back it'll be enough for my liking.

I use a preheater tepidizer + preheater metal refinery, but had water shortage issues on My map so kind of booking it cold until tepidizer is refilled.

[Neotuck]

27 minutes ago, TOOK14 said:

It certainly doesn't reach 10kg/sec, but it's a functional  and efficient design.  I really don't want to add more hydrotuners because I want this to be practical to make in a real base, prefferably running off of 1 transformer.  Any ideas to make heat transfer more efficient would be appreciated.

Well my plans in a real base (once I find a world seed I like) is also making an oil boiler with a volcano to produce 2kg/s natural gas.  That and add gas from oil wells, oil refineries, fertilizer synthesizers, and of course any natural geysers should be enough to run  25 natural gas generators.

That's 20kW total which is the max can be produced on a single heavy watt circuit 

After that power shouldn't be an issue for me 

[TOOK14]

Speaking from experience, the fertilizer synthesizer nerf is pretty harsh, you will need a dreko ranch of some sort to sustain them, plus dirt.  I like slicksters for most of my oil, and you get a near infinite loop between them and natgas/petrol gens.  If you can sustain that much oil, then you shouldn't have an issue, unless your volcano is lazy.

So I think this is my "final" draft, more aquatuners definitely make it more efficient, but so do tempshift plates and low thermal mass, but 2 tuners make the coolant more than cold enough to be a heat sink for a radiator(cooling 6 natgas, 1 petrol, and a plastic press easily).  I'm still a bit torn on if I want the tile between the aquatuners and the airflow tiles to be conductive or not, if it is that's more heat leaving the aquatuners, but if it isn't that heat HAS to pass through the Pwater.  I think my final answer is insulated to focus heat right where I want it most.

Spoiler

Possible improvements would be more tuners, and a bigger collection tank, just to have a bigger pre-heating radiator.

[Carnis]

When water condenses on top of your airtiles you might get trouble.

[TOOK14]

I saw that happen if the aquatuner stops for long enough, it clears itself up when they turn back on as the heat builds up under it.  that bridge and the pipe after it are abyssalite, so they won't eat any heat before the steam reaches the cooling tank.

[Neotuck]

25 minutes ago, TOOK14 said:

So I think this is my "final" draft, more aquatuners definitely make it more efficient, but so do tempshift plates and low thermal mass, but 2 tuners make the coolant more than cold enough to be a heat sink for a radiator(cooling 6 natgas, 1 petrol, and a plastic press easily).  I'm still a bit torn on if I want the tile between the aquatuners and the airflow tiles to be conductive or not, if it is that's more heat leaving the aquatuners, but if it isn't that heat HAS to pass through the Pwater.  I think my final answer is insulated to focus heat right where I want it most.

Another thing to consider is temp shift plates will transfer heat from tiles (even abyssalite ones) if you wish to avoid this use insulated tiles

[TOOK14]

I was unsure of that, considering abyssalite has 0 conductivity, but basic abyssalite pipes and tiles still seemed to change temp after awhile.

[Neotuck]

19 minutes ago, TOOK14 said:

I was unsure of that, considering abyssalite has 0 conductivity, but basic abyssalite pipes and tiles still seemed to change temp after awhile.

I did a test a while back using temp shift plates, and magma over a 10 cycle period 

Both the tiles and insulated tiles are abyssalite

After 10 cycles only the abyssalite tiles with temp shift plate transferred heat

[TOOK14]

very good to know, I'll keep that in mind for the future.

[TOOK14]

Ok, THIS is my "final" draft, at least the last one I'll upload here.  I do have to say I like your design a lot.  It's very efficient, fairly compact, realistic to build with dupes, and can be scaled to suit your power situation.  Also, by virtue of being an aquatuner based Pwater boiler, it's actually net negative on heat.

[Neotuck]

17 minutes ago, TOOK14 said:

Ok, THIS is my "final" draft, at least the last one I'll upload here.  I do have to say I like your design a lot.  It's very efficient, fairly compact, realistic to build with dupes, and can be scaled to suit your power situation.  Also, by virtue of being an aquatuner based Pwater boiler, it's actually net negative on heat.

Very nice, I'll be working on an oil boiler next.  Unfortunately I don't think it can be done without a volcano

[abud]

Btw, why those PW not off-gassing? Because it not in touch with any gas? I never tried putting PW in a vacuum, so I need confirmation.

[Neotuck]

1 hour ago, abud said:

Btw, why those PW not off-gassing? Because it not in touch with any gas? I never tried putting PW in a vacuum, so I need confirmation.

PW only off-gas from the top.  That's why I figured if the boil chamber is only one tile high it wouldn't off-gas because the tile above it would be in the way.

It's also why the airflow tile is needed on the side to pervent PW from spilling out but let steam escape as it boiled

[abud]

6 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

PW only off-gas from the top.

This is very useful information. So far, I just heat up oil to 130C and bubbling (what it's called, when you push liquid inside another liquid?) PW on it so it will be boiled instantly. Without a sweeper, but I plan for steel sweeper for their 275C overheat temp.

[PhailRaptor]

6 hours ago, abud said:

I never tried putting PW in a vacuum, so I need confirmation.

Vacuum will not prevent off-gassing.

[abud]

1 hour ago, PhailRaptor said:

Vacuum will not prevent off-gassing.

Thank you, saved my time from another failed experiment