Cosmic Update Game Plan

[Oni Noob]

Hi Guys,

I need advise. I am not sure whats the right path I need to take  in my base. Its just 55 cycle old base, I am getting my oxygen using algae, I got 17 tons of algae so I am not worried yet on switching to Electrolyser yet. I quite stuck I am not sure what should I be investing next, my food source is mealwood because I do not want to spend so much water. Near my base I got water gayser, Gold Volcano and cool steam vent so not sure where should be pointing my focus next? Should it be Power? Water or Food? Usually in my previous version I should be aiming on finding a NG geyser for my power but I dont in the latest version NG Geyser + NG Generator is not reliable anymore.

I also just found a AETN, so should I setup my electrolyser first and use the AETN?

This is my base, needs expert advice

[Gurgel]

You can also cool a fully used electrolyser with 3 or 4 WWs placed next to it. Unregulated, but works pretty well.

[WanderingKid]

@Oni Noob I personally would migrate toward mushrooms, lavatories, and Hydrogen Power.  I don't typically worry about storage except for a few usable misfits (Coal near the coal generator, slime underwater, etc).  You've only got 6 dupes so you don't have a lot of manpower to play with, but that does leave you from worrying about your algae supply for ages.  You might also start thinking about ranching.  Bugs, Hatches, and Dreckos are useful as a higher level food bank and sage hatches will help keep you in coal for a good long while.

[Oni Noob]

1 minute ago, WanderingKid said:

@Oni Noob I personally would migrate toward mushrooms, lavatories, and Hydrogen Power.  I don't typically worry about storage except for a few usable misfits (Coal near the coal generator, slime underwater, etc).  You've only got 6 dupes so you don't have a lot of manpower to play with, but that does leave you from worrying about your algae supply for ages.  You might also start thinking about ranching.  Bugs, Hatches, and Dreckos are useful as a higher level food bank and sage hatches will help keep you in coal for a good long while.

So you think I should change my food source to mushrooms? I dont want to swtich to lavatories yet until I have a constant water supply. I am worried I might run out of water

[WanderingKid]

28 minutes ago, Oni Noob said:

So you think I should change my food source to mushrooms? I dont want to swtich to lavatories yet until I have a constant water supply. I am worried I might run out of water

Showers and Bristleberries will run you out of water like noone's business.  You have tons of water for lavatories and electrolizers though.  Eventually you might have to refill your water supply but that's a ways out and easily handled with a sieve or two.  As an example, it's cycle 62 with 15 dupes and here's all my water supply that I've used (I filled it to the brim around cycle 20 and have a backup supply elsewhere because I got so much) for electrolizer, research, and lavatories.

If you'd like some ideas, this is a very common build I use for my power and shrooms:

 

 

[DyingCrow]

Rushing mushrooms early on for food is not unheard of, even before berries. Mushrooms are probably the best food in the game, right now. The only problem is the risk dupes are exposed to, as they are still slow, do everything slower and thus have a higher chance of getting sick while digging through the slime. Just have a med bay ready, dont let key personnel get involved with digging slime, and youll be fine.

[Gurgel]

I actually go to fried mushrooms directly now on a new game. Usually I manage to do this directly with Muckroot and the initial Food supply, last time (Cosmic Update) I got lazy and had to throw in a few rounds (<10) of Mush Bars. As slime is plenty, this is a good solution for a long time. Just have to be a bit careful with Slimelung before you have Exosuits, but that is it. Also gives a nice way to store food in the CO2 you need to build up anyways.

[Yoma_Nosme]

8 hours ago, Oni Noob said:

I dont want to swtich to lavatories yet until I have a constant water supply. I am worried I might run out of water

Don't worry about the water. Lavatory uses 5kg of water and gives off 11kg of ph20. Use a sieve + lavatory loop and it will then run on itself. The water that comes through the sieve will still have food poison so the loop is key you don't transform your water to germy water. 

The germy water can be used for bristle berry since you cook them they get food poison free.

To conclude. Lavatory, showers + sieve = extra water (With fp) use the fpwater in the showers toilets and wash basins they still remove germs from dupes. And fp on berries is no problem bc cooking kills off fp 

[BlueLance]

For me I just go from mealwood to omelettes at the moment, and sometimes Bristle Blossoms

[DyingCrow]

Imho, using showers while automation is not researched is just a way to ensure dupes will walk 2 steps, get grimy and go shower, over and over and over. It literally gives them nothing but an excuse to be cute, while absolutely nothing gets done. With automation, you can then set showers to open from somewhere around nap time to somewhere after wake up, so they all can be cute once per cycle. Either way, they'll take 2 steps and get grimy again.

Such is a dupes life. Showers just means you care about the pixels they represent.

[Oni Noob]

15 hours ago, WanderingKid said:

Showers and Bristleberries will run you out of water like noone's business.  You have tons of water for lavatories and electrolizers though.  Eventually you might have to refill your water supply but that's a ways out and easily handled with a sieve or two.  As an example, it's cycle 62 with 15 dupes and here's all my water supply that I've used (I filled it to the brim around cycle 20 and have a backup supply elsewhere because I got so much) for electrolizer, research, and lavatories.

If you'd like some ideas, this is a very common build I use for my power and shrooms:

 

 

So what you do with h20 that has bacteria on it?

[Gurgel]

2 hours ago, Oni Noob said:

So what you do with h20 that has bacteria on it?

Easiest thing is to just let it sit for a while. I once tried to sterilize it bottle-wise with ore scrubbers, but that never worked well.

[WanderingKid]

2 hours ago, Oni Noob said:

So what you do with h20 that has bacteria on it?

Use it for something else entirely, such as fuel or reeds, or just let it sit there and only sieve out clean PH2O that hasn't been harmed yet.  You could go about having separate H2O systems for tainted and untainted water, but I can't be bothered with that.  Once my water is in place, I just make sure it stays clean.  There's huge amounts of "Clean" PH2O on the map to care about the little bit that's in my septic tank for a long time.

Once you've gotten your systems in place, you can boil the PH2O off in an aquatuner or some other system to clean it out.  I rarely use tempedizers but those would work too.

[PhailRaptor]

When you are ready to industrialize your waste water treatment (or if you are using the Geyser that produces infected P-H2O) you can make use of Neotuck's build here.  Towards the end I posted a slightly more compact version of the same thing.

In the end the ~90 C temperature is irrelevant, since you're going to run it through a Sieve which will reset the temp to 40 C after conversion.

[avc15]

14 hours ago, Oni Noob said:

So what you do with h20 that has bacteria on it?

I used to go to great lengths to cook germs out of water before letting it in my base. Then I realized that dupes don't get sick unless they're tracking surface germs everywhere, handling food while they're carrying a ton of surface germs around, or (key point) using germy water in a microbe musher.

So here's what you do. Just make sure you have enough wash basins around, and use something other than mush bars / lice loaf for food. Once you do that, it doesn't matter if your main water supply has germs.

[Oni Noob]

1 hour ago, PhailRaptor said:

When you are ready to industrialize your waste water treatment (or if you are using the Geyser that produces infected P-H2O) you can make use of Neotuck's build here.  Towards the end I posted a slightly more compact version of the same thing.

In the end the ~90 C temperature is irrelevant, since you're going to run it through a Sieve which will reset the temp to 40 C after conversion.

The idea is nice, but I had to get a consistent power source first.. If I feed the infected h20 to my plant and cook the food, the germs will die right?

4 minutes ago, avc15 said:

I used to go to great lengths to cook germs out of water before letting it in my base. Then I realized that dupes don't get sick unless they're tracking surface germs everywhere, handling food while they're carrying a ton of surface germs around, or (key point) using germy water in a microbe musher.

So here's what you do. Just make sure you have enough wash basins around, and use something other than mush bars / lice loaf for food. Once you do that, it doesn't matter if your main water supply has germs.

Does cooking food with germs kills the germs? If dups for example move the harvested food with germs to a container do they get surface germs?

[avc15]

If a dupe with surface germs picks up food, the food gets contaminated. Take care of that by just putting enough wash basins in key points to make sure dirty dupes clean up before handling food. Sometimes more than 1 wash basin along each entryway to your kitchen / dining room, or exits from your lavatory+compost room. You need enough basins or sinks so that nobody gets by dirty.

I am not sure about raw foods that were irrigated with germy water (I think only bristle berry would matter, edit: actually yes sleet wheat would matter too for berry sludge) - does the raw berry have germs if it is grown with germy water? I don't know. At the very least, after it's cooked it doesn't have any germs.

 

[PhailRaptor]

Plants do not become contaminated when they consume contaminated water.

Products of plants feeding on contaminated water do not spawn contaminated.

Using the Grill will remove any germs on the ingredients, but the Microbe Musher will not.

[Zeraiya]

On 13/06/2018 at 3:27 AM, Oni Noob said:

So you think I should change my food source to mushrooms? I dont want to swtich to lavatories yet until I have a constant water supply. I am worried I might run out of water

Have you considered creating a loop with just a bit of water, and a water sieve? It will eat into your sand, but if you use insulated pipes from the get-go when you set up the pipes, and only pump in water for the start of the process, you can create an infinite loop of water that is only used by your lavatories, sink and showers  you will even need to eventually dump out the excess water because the lavatories generate more polluted water than it consumes of normal water. Just be careful because the filtered normal water will be full of germs - so don't dump it into your original water supply!

As @Yoma_Nosme said as well (only saw now). Just be careful when you feed the germ filtered water to Bristile because it will (most likely) end up being hot, even if you use insulated pipes, so get it cooled a little before you feed the plants! (This is assuming that the temperature of the water affects the plant that consumes it. I believe it's been fixed to this, now.)