New problem: Overheating Blast Doors

[Santhor]

42 minutes ago, chemie said:

Actually the pressure (Or lack there of) would kill you well before any temperature issues threatened your life.  Humans, outside of a pressurized suit, do not do well in vacuums.

Of course its only a theoretical issue as, as you said, a human body cannot survive without any atmosphere around. That kills you most likely first before any temperature problems (except if too close to the sun then you burn or even vaporize almost instant). But space will cool and freeze things down too, just its one of the not so likely problems.

[Flydo]

Why you don't cooling it by some pipe going trought them?

[BlueLance]

A pipe running through it with a coolant would work, it would draw the heat from the device, and bring it back into the asteroid where you can do whatever you want with it.

[Miravlix]

On 4/6/2018 at 4:14 AM, Santhor said:

Well in space you would freeze to death (not immediately but you would) if you wouldnt have an insulation around you OR burn to death if you would be in sunlight like in distance to the sun  from earth. But to not derail the thread completely - Yes objects in space cool slowly (and faster the hotter they get) if not warmth by a heating source (sun).

 

Uhm, no you wouldn't freeze to death in a vacuum, you would die from lack of oxygen.

 

Vacuum is "empty" so it has no temperature, the reason the item in space can loss heat is because of radiation of energy, but this is a massively slower process than jumping into cold water or into magma and the heat transfer in those situations.

[BlueLance]

25 minutes ago, Miravlix said:

Uhm, no you wouldn't freeze to death in a vacuum, you would die from lack of oxygen

Ehh I thought in a vacuum your blood literally boils, All the gasses in your blood expand etc?

[Miravlix]

1 minute ago, BlueLance said:

Ehh I thought in a vacuum your blood literally boils, All the gasses in your blood expand etc?

Another movie myth.

 

Vacuum is quite boring in reality.

 

I think there might be a minor problem like deep divers and your best option is to breath out as you enter the vacuum. All it does is change your death by a few seconds though.

[BlueLance]

8 minutes ago, Miravlix said:

I think there might be a minor problem like deep divers and your best option is to breath out as you enter the vacuum. All it does is change your death by a few seconds though.

I just checked and wow, your actually right... although apparently it will force the oxygen out regardless of if u breath it out, and then yeah you will just suffocate.... thats kinda not what i expected. but yeah sweat and saliva on your tongue will boil but apparently its more like a fizzy feeling.... geez i realy shouldnt believe in movies in space, I chucked my dupe into space and its more accurate XD

This is fascinating XD

[Neotuck]

19 hours ago, Flydo said:

Why you don't cooling it by some pipe going trought them?

Won't work unless there is a heat transfer medium like a gas or liquid.  Without that the hot doors won't cool no matter how cold the pipes are

[KittenIsAGeek]

53 minutes ago, Neotuck said:

Won't work unless there is a heat transfer medium like a gas or liquid.  Without that the hot doors won't cool no matter how cold the pipes are

Yeah.  Even tempshift plates don't work in vacuum.  Though, I suppose if the pipe was behind the blast door and there was a temp-shift plate.. but then your pipe  would take damage when a meteor hit the blast door.  Anyway, the screenshot shows two tempshift plates touching in vacuum. No heat transfer between them, though the top one is obviously transferring with the door.

 

On the other hand.. blast doors made of steel now overheat at 275c.

[Neotuck]

Just now, KittenIsAGeek said:

Yeah.  Even tempshift plates don't work in vacuum.  Though, I suppose if the pipe was behind the blast door and there was a temp-shift plate.. but then your pipe  would take damage when a meteor hit the blast door.  Anyway, the screenshot shows two tempshift plates touching in vacuum. No heat transfer between them, though the top one is obviously transferring with the door.

 

I think I found a solution I'll post results tonight

[Neotuck]

3 hours ago, KittenIsAGeek said:

Yeah.  Even tempshift plates don't work in vacuum.  Though, I suppose if the pipe was behind the blast door and there was a temp-shift plate.. but then your pipe  would take damage when a meteor hit the blast door.  Anyway, the screenshot shows two tempshift plates touching in vacuum. No heat transfer between them, though the top one is obviously transferring with the door.

 

On the other hand.. blast doors made of steel now overheat at 275c.

here I was able to make a layer or petroleum under the blast doors with a pipe supplying -10C polluted water keeping it cool.  it survived a meteor storm with no damage and the doors began to cool, and light passes though liquids just fine.

[Santhor]

14 hours ago, Miravlix said:

Uhm, no you wouldn't freeze to death in a vacuum, you would die from lack of oxygen.

 

Vacuum is "empty" so it has no temperature, the reason the item in space can loss heat is because of radiation of energy, but this is a massively slower process than jumping into cold water or into magma and the heat transfer in those situations.

If you'd read my second post, yes its a theoretically issue, but you _COULD_ freeze to death in space too

That its not a primary problem is sure, Space surviving has a lot of problems, freezing is there more on the lower list and heavily depends on your distance to the star (sun).

[suicide commando]

Nice setup @neotuck!

The main question though is.. does this actually net you power? or does it suck it all up?

 

[Guest]

Question: does the ceramic glass provide enough heat conductivity? Now that we have backwall tiles to seal off the void, we can keep gasses underneath. Still a matter of cooling the blastdoors somehow without preferable getting too freaky with liquids.

[Neotuck]

4 hours ago, suicide commando said:

Nice setup @neotuck!

The main question though is.. does this actually net you power? or does it suck it all up?

 

the picture you see is one of 6 I have stacked side by side for a total of 24 panels and over 50 large batteries.  However during a meteor shower those batteries quickly run out if connected to my main power grid so I have the meteor sensors disconnect them from my main power grid as well.

Best to think of solar energy as temporary power to save fuel from your main source of power like coal or nat gas 

3 hours ago, turbonl64 said:

Question: does the ceramic glass provide enough heat conductivity? Now that we have backwall tiles to seal off the void, we can keep gasses underneath. Still a matter of cooling the blastdoors somehow without preferable getting too freaky with liquids.

 

[suicide commando]

Pretty much what I was thinking it would be good for. As solar power isn't constant, due to day/night and meteors. It's nice when it's running and lets you turn off your primary power for a bit, saving you a good amount of whatever you're using to power your base, but it's not a fulltime power source.

Still, it's utterly Fire & Forget ( or build and forget ), as it requires 0 maintenance, except when digging up all the good meteor stuffs.

[Neotuck]

I did have one problem with 24 solar panels

sometimes I would see one of the heavy watt wires take overload damage which was odd, 24 panels should only output 10.56 kW total and heavy watt should handle 20 kW

EDIT: I just realized why, the doors pull 480 W and I have 42 of them (20.16 kW) Looks like I'll have to automate the doors to open/close in sequence to prevent overloading lol

[Guest]

8 hours ago, Neotuck said:

I did have one problem with 24 solar panels

sometimes I would see one of the heavy watt wires take overload damage which was odd, 24 panels should only output 10.56 kW total and heavy watt should handle 20 kW

EDIT: I just realized why, the doors pull 480 W and I have 42 of them (20.16 kW) Looks like I'll have to automate the doors to open/close in sequence to prevent overloading lol

Or just use automation to divide the power net into smaller ones when a meteor shower is detected.

[suicide commando]

On ‎07‎/‎06‎/‎2018 at 2:10 AM, Neotuck said:

I did have one problem with 24 solar panels

sometimes I would see one of the heavy watt wires take overload damage which was odd, 24 panels should only output 10.56 kW total and heavy watt should handle 20 kW

EDIT: I just realized why, the doors pull 480 W and I have 42 of them (20.16 kW) Looks like I'll have to automate the doors to open/close in sequence to prevent overloading lol

So Split the powergrid into 2 circuits?