Steam Turbine Temp and Mass Changes

[Enginator]

Hello All,

Has anyone got any hard stats on the steam generator? In particular I am wondering what the temperature and mass flow is.

Trying to understand how much energy is consumed by the generator.

Thanks in advance

[SkunkMaster]

each vent processes 2kg/s. does not change power output depending on how many vents are in use.

[FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX]

Input temperature >500K

Output temperature =425K

Flow 10kg/5tiles

Pressure difference 3kg

[BlueLance]

ooooh i thought it was 3kg/s not 10.... geez thats a hell of a difference. Pity its still broken on my game  Also as far as I am aware it outputs at that temperature? You can bug it to use cool steam and it heats it up, don't quote me on that though

[FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX]

25 minutes ago, turbonl64 said:

Does the steam turbine vent at a fixed 425K or does it remove 75K?

fixed 425K

[BlueLance]

11 minutes ago, turbonl64 said:

I'm as of late trying to conceptualize a way to make the steam extracting valiable. But, cooling 10kg/s down is a lot.

If you run two pipes with 10kg/s you should be able to cool a constant flow of steam, My intermittent design (Lord rest its soul) was able to condense the steam with a single stream of water, which would then be put into the system to boil. but if you left it running constantly the water i the pipes would boil. So i reckon if you did it with two pipes it would be fine.

[BlueLance]

Just now, turbonl64 said:

No way to do it with gas pipe cooling?

Probably not, I mean a gas pipe can hold 1kg/s flow, even if that was Hydrogen at -160. The 10kg would overpower the 1kg, you would need multiple pipes to try and cool it. but even then eventually the gas overall would heat up. 

[JonnyMonroe]

Most designs don't condense the steam but instead loop it back around and reheat it.

[BlueLance]

16 minutes ago, JonnyMonroe said:

Most designs don't condense the steam but instead loop it back around and reheat it.

Those designs tend to also use doors to compress the steam and loop it back.

[Sevio]

There's an even more powerful way that is also simpler now:

Infinite petroleum waterfall that flows over a dot of crude oil somehow causes an alternating liquid/vacuum that massively pressurizes the steam back into the turbine. The only automation required is topping up steam pressure (very occasionally) and adding magma heat.

[BlueLance]

@Sevio I think we are looking for an alternative which does not use exploits or take advantage of certain situations. But I cannot speak for @turbonl64 He/She might be satisfied with the design and use it. 

On the other hand I forgot to learn about tempshifts again

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Just now, turbonl64 said:

At the high risk of creating a ruckus here, but isn't that an exploit or 2 in there? (Not saying you can't use the exploits)

I don't think waterfall compressor is an exploit, but block 4 leave 1 is. However, I must say it's not easy to build.

[BlueLance]

Just now, turbonl64 said:

I am even considering if door pressurizing isn't an exploit.

If the doors are powered I wouldn't say it is an exploit, in real life gasses are compressed by similar functions, but I personally do not use them, Although I may have to in my current design but that is only so that the gasses do not escape due to a current bug with the steam generator.

I view the waterfall as an unintended mechanic more than an exploit, I think it will be removed or changed at some point. I know it is similar to when you siphon fuel from a tank etc 

[Sevio]

1 minute ago, turbonl64 said:

At the high risk of creating a ruckus here, but isn't that an exploit or 2 in there? (Not saying you can't use the exploits)

Most definitely exploit-y. But then again, the Steam Turbine is a bit of a dragon to work with when not resorting to highly debug-engineered builds that we see on the forums, so it could be argued it almost necessitates using something like this to make it (somewhat) practical.

I've mentioned a couple times I would like a rework of it that does more justice to what a steam turbine is while also making it feasible to use with lower temperatures of steam. (but avoiding infinite power loop with tepidizer and aquatiner) It should give a variable amount of power corresponding to the amount of steam cooled and its temperature. Perhaps making it eject water instead of cooled steam should be added to that idea.

Variable power based on throughput (and cooling done) makes blocking part of the input a thing of the past and ejecting condensed water instead of steam makes using door compressors or waterfalls less useful. (if not completely obsolete)

[BlueLance]

I will be home soon, I will post my design when i get home, hopefully the devs will respond to the bug report I made, if they do then it makes the steam turbine a lot more viable in the ways i envision using it.

[landromat]

3 hours ago, R9MX4 said:

fixed 425K

i doubt it. you can run 5 steam turbines tower without problems

[BlueLance]

The machines begin to heat up which helps, but it does output a certain temperature, you can use an exploit and fee it cold steam and it will come out hot.

2 minutes ago, landromat said:

i doubt it. you can run 5 steam turbines tower without problems

Plus the current bug I have probably helps as well, once there is a gas on both sides of the turbine, steam will slip through it, which means you have unaffected steam also on the opposite side with all of its heat

[Sevio]

The steam turbine prevents steam from passing through its base except what it consumes, but once steam exists on both sides, it cannot stop the steam tiles above and below it from exchanging heat with each other, and of course the entire steam turbine itself acts like a huge tempshift plate as well.

With a high enough temperature input steam, that allows enough heat to make it up a steam turbine tower to make it work.

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16 minutes ago, landromat said:

i doubt it. you can run 5 steam turbines tower without problems

Turbine will be heated by input steam, output steam will be heated again by the turbine.

[Sevio]

@turbonl64 Even though you don't want to consider using the infinite waterfall build I posted earlier, if you go for a door compressor you will still be recirculating steam and you won't need to worry about keeping the "cold" steam separate from the "hot" steam.

[clickrush]

On 2.6.2018 at 5:30 AM, R9MX4 said:

Input temperature >500K

Output temperature =425K

Flow 10kg/5tiles

Pressure difference 3kg

I haven't used a steam turbine since my first review. Does this still destroy the steam or does it run purely off of pressure and heat?

[FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX]

1 minute ago, clickrush said:

I haven't used a steam turbine since my first review. Does this still destroy the steam or does it run purely off of pressure and heat?

NO,YES.

[BlueLance]

7 minutes ago, Sevio said:

The steam turbine prevents steam from passing through its base except what it consumes

Unfortunately this is not the case, I posted a bug report about it. Once a gas exists on the opposite side of a steam turbine, gas will "Sometimes" flow through a part of it as if it was an airflow tile. Both the generators in that picture were never turned on, but because there was CO2 it has let it come through. The design is unplugged and it is also switched off via automation.

 

[Sevio]

2 minutes ago, clickrush said:

I haven't used a steam turbine since my first review. Does this still destroy the steam or does it run purely off of pressure and heat?

While testing the infinite waterfall using build I posted above, it should be passing 2 kg of steam per second through, cooling it to 425k. It doesn't seem to destroy steam at a noticable rate and although I built a water injection system for it, it is almost never needed and I suspect when it is, it has more to do with the waterfall destroying gas than the steam turbine.

[BlueLance]

Funnily enough, the steam can also come out of the sides if the tiles on the sides are removed.