Oni Noob Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 So I am planning to raise some Mob/puft farm so that I can use slime they produce to feed for my Hatch.. Hmm I know the food change can be Morb (Produce pO2) > Puft (Produce slime) > Hatch (Produce Coal) > Coal Generator.. The question is, what should I feed the Morbs with? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 bad idea, Hatches need 140Kg solids every cycle and pufts produce 15Kg slime per cycle. You will need almost 10 pufts to feed one hatch! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024918 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Neotuck said: bad idea, Hatches need 140Kg solids every cycle and pufts produce 15Kg slime per cycle. You will need almost 10 pufts to feed one hatch! Wow Thanks for the warning I got 30 hatch then I need 300 puffs. Shoot I need other source to feed the free loaders Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024922 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Some people feed them fertilizer from fertilizer synthesizers but the output from those are 70Kg per cycle so you will need 2 for every hatch. If you got a good source of PW (slush or PW geyser) you can make it work and have a nice supply of nat gas for power production Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024923 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 I just use the hatch for coals, I got 10 Coal generator, how many puffs should I raise to have a constant supply of coals? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024932 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 4 minutes ago, Oni Noob said: I just use the hatch for coals, I got 10 Coal generator, how many puffs should I raise to have a constant supply of coals? it's not just the pufts you need to worry about. Pufts produce slime at 2:1 ratio of PO:slime and in turn the same for hatches with coal is 2:1 This means for your plan to work you will need 4 Kg of PO for every 1 Kg coal. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024936 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 Just now, Neotuck said: it's not just the pufts you need to worry about. Pufts produce slime at 2:1 ratio of PO:slime and in turn the same for hatches with coal is 2:1 This means for your plan to work you will need 4 Kg of PO for every 1 Kg coal. oh well back to the drawing board for me. Thanks for helping me out @Neotuck Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 try a fertelizer synthesizer for supplementing hatch food, get coal and nat gas Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 Just now, Kabrute said: try a fertelizer synthesizer for supplementing hatch food, get coal and nat gas Hmm I do not have slush vent or ph20 vent.. Would pee power be enough Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024940 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 pee power plus the nat gas gen feed its own pwater back Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024941 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Oni Noob said: Hmm I do not have slush vent or ph20 vent.. Would pee power be enough it takes 2 fertilizer synthesizers to provide for 1 hatch and they use 150g/s PW each (300 total) That will be a lot of pee for each hatch 2 minutes ago, Kabrute said: pee power plus the nat gas gen feed its own pwater back nat gas gens don't provide close enough PW for fert synths. You will need another source other than pee. Even added PW from carbon skimmers from the CO2 of the nat gas gens won't be enough Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024942 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 10 minutes ago, Neotuck said: it's not just the pufts you need to worry about. Pufts produce slime at 2:1 ratio of PO:slime and in turn the same for hatches with coal is 2:1 This means for your plan to work you will need 4 Kg of PO for every 1 Kg coal. Oh did they change it? Used to be 1:1 as a puft in an enclosed area could cycle off its own waste. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024944 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 3 minutes ago, 0xFADE said: Oh did they change it? Used to be 1:1 as a puft in an enclosed area could cycle off its own waste. ya it was changed in Ranch, so if a wild puft is in a pocket of PO eventually it will become a vacuum (or get very close) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024945 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 I guess this changed for everything else? CO2 to oil etc? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024946 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 Just now, 0xFADE said: I guess this changed for everything else? CO2 to oil etc? yep, all are 2:1. Hatch coal too Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024947 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 What if I froze ph2o and feed them to hatch so I could get coal would that be better? I think that would be better, frozen pineapple icecream Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024953 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotuck Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 2 minutes ago, Oni Noob said: What if I froze ph2o and feed them to hatch so I could get coal would that be better? I think that would be better, frozen pineapple icecream Hatches no longer eat frozen liquids or gas Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024958 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted April 9, 2018 Author Share Posted April 9, 2018 They changed it, hmm too bad I was planning some frozen pee for dessert for them Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024961 Share on other sites More sharing options...
0xFADE Posted April 9, 2018 Share Posted April 9, 2018 This game runs off a Bear Grylls economy. You wouldn't want to wast liquid gold on a hatch. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024972 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 1 minute ago, 0xFADE said: This game runs off a Bear Grylls economy. You wouldn't want to wast liquid gold on a hatch. Its ok I got so many ph20 with bacteria on it, I do not want to waste power just to heat them up and kill them. I got plent of water so its ok I think Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1024974 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DMFan79 Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 I wonder why nobody uses clay to feed hatches. With properly placed deodorizers, you get tons of clay (with some clean oxygen as a bonus)... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1025153 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 17 hours ago, Oni Noob said: I just use the hatch for coals, I got 10 Coal generator, how many puffs should I raise to have a constant supply of coals? Don't use pufts for coal. Use them for mushrooms. For your hatches, feed them sedimentary rock, or igneous rock, or sand. Often you'll have lots of unused sedimentary rock, igneous rock becomes renewable once you find volcanoes, and sand... if you run out of sand, just build a rock crusher. And DMFan79 also has a point.. clay makes a great food for hatches. 15 hours ago, Oni Noob said: Its ok I got so many ph20 with bacteria on it, I do not want to waste power just to heat them up and kill them. I got plent of water so its ok I think Pufts can easily provide enough slime from ph20 for a mushroom farm. This will help you conserve your water by reducing your other farms. Berries, sleet wheat, pincha-pepper -- they all use water in one form or another. You _could_ use Pufts -> Hatches -> Coal, but it is extremely inefficient and you'll have a very difficult time getting it to work consistently. Odds are your hatches will start to starve and your generators will run out of coal. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1025157 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oni Noob Posted April 10, 2018 Author Share Posted April 10, 2018 Man it seems I need to redo my base again, need to find a map with ph20 to support my power, coal doesnt cut it. It seems I am losing 5t of coal every 2-4 cycle its very fast Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1025202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
KittenIsAGeek Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 Really? I don't have any problems using coal as my primary source of power, even late in the game. I have a farm of 8 hatches and I actually GAIN coal each cycle. Here's some things to consider: How long are your generators running? If you don't have them on smart batteries to shut off when you don't need them, you're wasting resources. Where is your power going? I once had an oxygen production system that was wasting HUGE amounts of power because while the gas pumps were continuously operational (and the filters), the electrolyzers were barely running at all. Placing atmo sensors on my gas pumps saved a tremendous amount of power by turning the fans off when there was no gas to pump. Polluted h2o is a byproduct from power generation, NOT a method of support. Yes, you can feed it to fertilizer stations that turn it into natural gas which you can then feed to your nat gas genny... but I've found that polluted h2o is better used in other ways. If you have 8 to 10 dupes, you can run a hydrogen generator continuously. If you use natural gas mechanics to separate your hydrogen and oxygen, you can produce a LOT more power than it takes to run the system. If you're not already using them, build rooms around your generators and add a power control station. The Engie's Tune-Up uses 15kg of refined metal to increase output by 50% for three cycles. This means that two coal generators and a hydrogen generator can produce 3kw of power, which is plenty to run an early base. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1025236 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheExceed Posted April 10, 2018 Share Posted April 10, 2018 15 minutes ago, KittenIsAGeek said: If you're not already using them, build rooms around your generators and add a power control station. The Engie's Tune-Up uses 15kg of refined metal to increase output by 50% for three cycles. This means that two coal generators and a hydrogen generator can produce 3kw of power, which is plenty to run an early base. You're actually using this mechanic? I find it to not be beneficial at all. It takes far too long for dupes to actually tune the generators up. Especially for larger NG powerplants. And if you're like me, and unluckily did not get a metal volc on your map, theyll enventually take all your metal, especially when the dupes start using tungsten instead of iron or gold. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/89671-cycle/#findComment-1025250 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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