Tab1 Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 The topic says it all. Why is the Ice -16C not melting in 50C water? and what setup do i need to melt ice. Also how do i cool my water This just seem ridiculous that ice is not melting this way Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kabrute Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 because 14 ton = 14 squares and thats gonna take a moment to heat up Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005315 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just be thankful it doesn't melt fast. As @Kabrute says above it's 14 full tiles of water. If it melt all at once you'd have a real problem on your hands. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005316 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanoD Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 If you build ice sculptures the ice will melt 200x faster Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005317 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafker Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 25 minutes ago, Saturnus said: Just be thankful it doesn't melt fast. As @Kabrute says above it's 14 full tiles of water. If it melt all at once you'd have a real problem on your hands. It actually is melting at once. It doesn't lose mass at all until its temperature reaches app. 0 - then it instantly turns into water and immediately cools it, which is not realistic (slime can do that with polluted O2, why ice can't?) Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005322 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 16 minutes ago, NanoD said: If you build ice sculptures the ice will melt 200x faster Yes, this is the right answer. I found ice sculptures extremely convenient both for cooling and refilling the water pool - they'll melt immediately after they get built in water. Even when built in air they melt ridiculously fast. Too fast to have any cooling effect on the air unless you leave the water there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005323 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Does the material the compactor is made of make a difference? And can background tiles help transfer more heat to the compactor? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005324 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 I actually wonder if they don't melt way too fast. In a sense that they pull the heat for their melting out of nowhere. I'll have to test it. Edit: tested it, it behaves fine. The heat transfer is fast but beyond the fact that they lose 80% of their mass (which technically does add heat to the colony as they warm up) the thermodynamics are fine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005325 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab1 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 Does anyone know if i pump this 50C water in electrolyzier, will it heat up the oxygen and hydrogen produced? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005326 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanoD Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, NanoD said: If you build ice sculptures the ice will melt 200x faster It is a kinda random number I pull out of my ass. But there is some things to consider Ice sculptures have a bigger surface area. And a hidden mass multiplier. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Tab1 said: Does anyone know if i pump this 50C water in electrolyzier, will it heat up the oxygen and hydrogen produced? No electrolyzer produce at fixed temp. Edit. They produce at 70 or 75 degrees, you should pump geyser water with abysalite pipes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, NanoD said: It is a kinda random number I pull out of my ass. But there is some things to consider Ice sculptures have a bigger surface area. And a hidden mass multiplier. As a building the sculpture acts as if it has one fifth of its mass. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005329 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tab1 Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 Thank you all for very helpful, informative and quick replies. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005333 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 It's a stupid question. Does the ice sculpture gets build with a specific temperature or does it get build at the same temp the ice you use is? And could you cool ice to -100°C and build supercooler statues? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005334 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, Yoma_Nosme said: It's a stupid question. Does the ice sculpture gets build with a specific temperature or does it get build at the same temp the ice you use is? And could you cool ice to -100°C and build supercooler statues? Same temperature as the ice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005337 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clickrush Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, Tab1 said: Thank you all for very helpful, informative and quick replies. Your post is actually funny because for me it sounds like this: "Why isn't my base flooded with this water more quickly?" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005338 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, clickrush said: Your post is actually funny because for me it sounds like this: "Why isn't my base flooded with this water more quickly?" 14 t is actually pretty much spot on the amount to fill the room. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005339 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clickrush Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Just now, Kasuha said: 14 t is actually pretty much spot on the amount to fill the room. You're right! I always underestimate tile space when I guess it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005340 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 You guys know the saying, the glass is is half full if you're an optimist. Half empty if you're a pessimist and double the size it has to be if you're an engineer;D Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005341 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanoD Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Here is a interesting thing that most players dont know Mined chunk of ice will interact with a floor tile in vacuum. And the heat transfer is fast. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005343 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yoma_Nosme Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 Sorry if I repost my question. Do tempshift plates help melting stored ice? Or are liquid temp and mass the only factors? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005345 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanoD Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 1 minute ago, Yoma_Nosme said: Do tempshift plates help melting stored ice? Or are liquid temp and mass the only factors? Tempshift plates will not transfer heat to the stored ice. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005347 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 15 minutes ago, NanoD said: Here is a interesting thing that most players dont know Mined chunk of ice will interact with a floor tile in vacuum. And the heat transfer is fast. Only if the tile is hotter than the ice, I believe. I noticed such behavior for other things, too. For example airflow tile in vacuum will not exchange heat with anything except with hotter ambient element (liquid or tile) below it. I think it's par of the "heat propagates fast upwards" mechanic. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005350 Share on other sites More sharing options...
NanoD Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 13 minutes ago, Kasuha said: Only if the tile is hotter than the ice, I believe. Fast test and it did cool down the ice to. But holy it fighting the cooling really hard. There is some heat deletion going on there EDIT: wait... Cold deletion.. EDIT: nope just a miss that it needed to heat up something.. So no heat deletion or cold deletion. And the rate seams to be about the same. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005352 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasuha Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 22 minutes ago, NanoD said: Fast test and it did cool down the ice to. But holy it fighting the cooling really hard. There is some heat deletion going on there EDIT: wait... Cold deletion.. EDIT: nope just a miss that it needed to heat up something.. So no heat deletion or cold deletion. And the rate seams to be about the same. Okay, then it's probably some other mechanic. Interesting, thanks. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87716-ice-not-melting-in-50c-liquid-water/#findComment-1005360 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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