Muggins Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Poor Nails is crazy stressed right now. He was a Tenured Scientist (highest tier research job) but when I finished all the research I moved him to Apprentice Miner. Several cycles later I noticed him becoming more and more stressed and checked out his expectations. They were still the same as when he had his higher tier job. I made him unemployed to double check. No change. I saved and reloaded. No change. It seems like a valid game mechanic but I just wanted to confirm that it is as intended, as I remember the devs saying the expectations would revert after leaving the job. Cheers. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parusoid Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 The expectations, gained skills and perks stay once the job is mastered. It even says in the Ui and it was in patch notes Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1004904 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 16 minutes ago, six_demon_bag said: ...as I remember the devs saying the expectations would revert after leaving the job. They said the exact opposite. They said they would remain, not revert. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1004909 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutzkhie Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 a dupes expectation is based on its highest job tier, that is why i shuffle my dupes job at low level tier (tier 1 to tier 3) until i am able to provide them good food and high decor Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1004914 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins Posted February 16, 2018 Author Share Posted February 16, 2018 Well I guess I misunderstood...thanks for confirming. So here's a thought...surely it's better to never advance your dupes to the maximum job tier. If, for example, you're not in a rush to finish the research, you could leave your dupe as a basic scientist. In summary, you get the permanent expectation increase from the maximum tier, but do you get any permanent bonuses? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1004916 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lutzkhie Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 or you can switch him to a different job but low tier to increase its level like mining or etc Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1004917 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, six_demon_bag said: In summary, you get the permanent expectation increase from the maximum tier, but do you get any permanent bonuses? After mastering a job, the Dupe permanently keeps the stat bonus from that job (I think all are +2?), as well as any traits that come with that job ( ie Miner T2 digging Abyssalite). This is balanced by also permanently keeping the Food and Decor expectations. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1004951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 1 hour ago, six_demon_bag said: Well I guess I misunderstood...thanks for confirming. So here's a thought...surely it's better to never advance your dupes to the maximum job tier. If, for example, you're not in a rush to finish the research, you could leave your dupe as a basic scientist. In summary, you get the permanent expectation increase from the maximum tier, but do you get any permanent bonuses? The dupes do get the permanent bonus on mastering the job as have already been mentioned above but I generally don't promote dupes to the highest tier before much later in the game, the extra +2 bonus is not a reasonable trade off for the increased expectations, and there's only two jobs where you ever need the highest tier level anyway, those being mechatronic and exosuit engineers, so it's pretty irrelevant to get the highest tier until you're a fair bit down the road of base development, and can at that point easily handle the increased expectations. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1004955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScaryOne Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 I'm only on cycle 50 on my furthest OC update base, but I've already promoted several of my dupes to high tier jobs. I've got a Tenured Scientist who just started being a Gofer, and a tier 2 scientist working on his tenure. Stress hasn't been an issue yet. They all eat Gristle Berries or Liceloafs so far, and they don't even seem to use the massage tables or rec room. I do have a ton of art spam. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1004977 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcahtas Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 They should keep all stress bonuses Before it was better to make them all Jobless once they had the skills which meant they were content with eating crap and living without much decor Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005055 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quigleyer Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 6 hours ago, six_demon_bag said: Well I guess I misunderstood...thanks for confirming. So here's a thought...surely it's better to never advance your dupes to the maximum job tier. If, for example, you're not in a rush to finish the research, you could leave your dupe as a basic scientist. In summary, you get the permanent expectation increase from the maximum tier, but do you get any permanent bonuses? I'm about to abandon a colony on cycle 100+ because it has serious problems, BUT it also has nearly all but the final few researches complete and I never went above a tier 2 researcher with +1 to food. In my mind it's not even unlikely this will happen to me again, it wasn't a hitch to keep him a lower tier at all from my perspective. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005062 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScaryOne Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Do you not have a ten day older save that you could try to save? My first colony died from lack of oxygen, and I loaded up the old save and was able to finish a proper electrolyzer build before they all died. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005077 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ilmu011 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 ... ... ... ... NAILS IS A BOY?!? I always renamed Nails to "Sombra" because of her hair... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005086 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parusoid Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 48 minutes ago, Ilmu011 said: ... ... ... ... NAILS IS A BOY?!? I always renamed Nails to "Sombra" because of her hair... Whats sombra? lol jk Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005092 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheScaryOne Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 An Overwatch character. Nails always looked like a dude to me, but then again I'm okay with the gender androgynous dupes, since it's not like they have sex drives or anything. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005101 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roboson Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Yeah their gender is not confirmed. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005116 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 2 hours ago, Ilmu011 said: ... ... ... ... NAILS IS A BOY?!? I always renamed Nails to "Sombra" because of her hair... Seeing as Dupes are created by a process not unlike a 3D printer, they likely do not possess genders. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nascarlaser1 Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Does this mean that if I upgrade a dupe to the max role, then switch jobs, then upgrade again, his expectations will keep going up?? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted February 16, 2018 Share Posted February 16, 2018 Just now, Nascarlaser1 said: Does this mean that if I upgrade a dupe to the max role, then switch jobs, then upgrade again, his expectations will keep going up?? The largest one will apply. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005149 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Muggins Posted February 17, 2018 Author Share Posted February 17, 2018 23 hours ago, PhailRaptor said: After mastering a job, the Dupe permanently keeps the stat bonus from that job (I think all are +2?), as well as any traits that come with that job ( ie Miner T2 digging Abyssalite). This is balanced by also permanently keeping the Food and Decor expectations. Woh!! that is actually very useful. So both the "courier" career path and the "janitor" job offer strength bonuses and I think additional max carry weight. So really we should be getting all the dupes mastered in these roles as soon as possible...right? Or am I missing something?!? 23 hours ago, Saturnus said: ....so it's pretty irrelevant to get the highest tier until you're a fair bit down the road of base development, and can at that point easily handle the increased expectations. yep...I went right ahead and learnt that the hard way. Luckily Nails got a "Sunny Disposition" bonus trait on a Nural Vacillator which reduces stress by 20 percent per cycle, so (s)he's chilled out a bit now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005396 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted February 17, 2018 Share Posted February 17, 2018 4 hours ago, six_demon_bag said: Woh!! that is actually very useful. So both the "courier" career path and the "janitor" job offer strength bonuses and I think additional max carry weight. So really we should be getting all the dupes mastered in these roles as soon as possible...right? Or am I missing something?!? You also get both "Gofer" and "Courier". So between the 3 jobs, you can end with +6 Strength on top of whatever your Dupe actually has. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/87675-dupe-expectations-dont-lower-after-quiting-job/#findComment-1005502 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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