-SchiavoR- Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Sorry for the noob question, but I can't find it in forum. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
FIXBUGFIXBUGFIX Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 plastic→melt→naphtha Before Tubular Upgrade, naphtha did't flow and could be used to make a naphtha door. But the non-flow feature has been removed now. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984838 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neotix Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Naphtha had unique property but now it's quite useless. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984840 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Neotix said: Naphtha had unique property but now it's quite useless. Not entirely useless. It has low thermal conductivity and high evaporation temperature which makes it useful liquid air locks for example. 1 hour ago, -SchiavoR- said: Sorry for the noob question, but I can't find it in forum. Probably because you misspelled it. It's naphtha, not naphta. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984841 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Call me old fashioned but I still don't trust naphtha - until it's a fully implemented liquid - i'd avoid using it in your builds all together. Luckily my previous base had no naphtha locks, but I daresay a lot of people who had those 2 tile high airlocks in their farm areas sure felt dumb when the update landed In short, until it has a bottled texture and a viable use other than "ooooh it's properties seem handy!" I really wouldn't put too much effort into breaking the mould with it. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984854 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 20 minutes ago, Lifegrow said: Call me old fashioned but I still don't trust naphtha - until it's a fully implemented liquid - i'd avoid using it in your builds all together. In short, until it has a bottled texture and a viable use other than "ooooh it's properties seem handy!" I really wouldn't put too much effort into breaking the mould with it. Properties seems pretty consistent with real life properties now so I think you're just being overly cautious for no reason. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984855 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 minute ago, Saturnus said: properties seems pretty consistent with real life properties now so I think you're just being overly cautious for no reason. I've been told that it's still been vanishing from liquid locks - so i'd rather play safe for now. Have you finally taken the plunge and upgraded to TB then saturnus? I thought you were staying on AU forever Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984856 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Just now, Lifegrow said: Have you finally taken the plunge and upgraded to TB then saturnus? I thought you were staying on AU forever Unfortunately yes. The release was early so it updated itself, and now there's no way to get back to the previous version. It's a massive downgrade in my opinion. Performance increase people are raving about are virtually non-existent, or not noticeable for me at least. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984857 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lifegrow Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Just now, Saturnus said: It's a massive downgrade in my opinion. Performance increase people are raving about are virtually non-existent, or not noticeable for me at least. Have to say, I had an increase of ~15 fps - which was huge for me. Made my base playable again... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984860 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Just now, Lifegrow said: Have to say, I had an increase of ~15 fps - which was huge for me. Made my base playable again... It's 3-5 FPS better in the best case scenario for me. The new content is pretty useless. And lots of small changes made the game much less rewarding to play, for me at least. I'm not a happy to say the least. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984862 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyPerfect Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 I could snark, but it looks like the antagony took care of itself. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984873 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eloy2030 Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 3 hours ago, Saturnus said: And lots of small changes made the game much less rewarding to play, for me at least. I'm not a happy to say the least. such as? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984895 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggsvbacon Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 4 hours ago, Saturnus said: ...The release was early so it updated itself, and now there's no way to get back to the previous version... We have the technology. https://steamdb.info/depot/457141/manifests/ (PC) https://steamdb.info/depot/457142/manifests/ (OSX) https://steamdb.info/depot/457143/manifests/ (Linux) https://youtu.be/4I3pcSPDwic?t=25 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984907 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 24 minutes ago, eggsvbacon said: We have the technology. Thank you very much. Now I can get rid of this train wreck downgrade. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984912 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyPerfect Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 What's the long-term strategy? All future versions of the game will be keeping the changes introduced in Tubular Upgrade, so... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984926 Share on other sites More sharing options...
clickrush Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Lifegrow said: Have to say, I had an increase of ~15 fps - which was huge for me. Made my base playable again... For me too, I went from diashow to smooth! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984928 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 53 minutes ago, clickrush said: For me too, I went from diashow to smooth! Me too. To the point full speed got smoother than normal speed was before. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984937 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eggsvbacon Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, GuyPerfect said: What's the long-term strategy? All future versions of the game will be keeping the changes introduced in Tubular Upgrade, so... You don't know that, at all, this game is early release, the content of tubes is optional, no need to build, changes to buildings and how they work is not set in stone, we have seen changes many times before and there will be many more to come. But I digress, we're quite astray from the topic at hand. I have seen water displace in an airlock, so I don't know what if any actual liquid can be trusted for an airlock any more, obviously it isn't exactly intended feature either, just a byproduct of how things work of course. Something you sort of need to do until there is a proper method to do this without a huge feat of automation engineering that shouldn't be necissary. Depressurize and pressurize airlocks, like bioshock 2. Same thing for gasses. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984938 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 1 hour ago, GuyPerfect said: What's the long-term strategy? All future versions of the game will be keeping the changes introduced in Tubular Upgrade, so... Changes go back and forth all the time from release to release. Nothing that is set in stone in this version is guaranteed to work at all in the next release. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984943 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyPerfect Posted December 17, 2017 Share Posted December 17, 2017 Then the solution is to cross our fingers and hope the problem goes away on its own? If you say so. I'll drop it for now, but be sure to tell me when you reach the bargaining stage. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-984962 Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhailRaptor Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 On the subject of liquids disappearing from liquid locks... I have observed this occurrence with any given puddle, given enough time and Dupe traffic. I think the Dupes socks are actually absorbing very small quantities of liquids to apply the "Soggy Feet" debuff. It's the only explanation that makes sense. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-985036 Share on other sites More sharing options...
eloy2030 Posted December 18, 2017 Share Posted December 18, 2017 1 hour ago, PhailRaptor said: On the subject of liquids disappearing from liquid locks... I have observed this occurrence with any given puddle, given enough time and Dupe traffic. I think the Dupes socks are actually absorbing very small quantities of liquids to apply the "Soggy Feet" debuff. It's the only explanation that makes sense. u can check that out really easy... water on floor, dupe goes, watch for difference... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/85525-utilities-for-naphta-what-are-they/#findComment-985039 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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