SpoonsOnMyElbows Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 A fully self sustainable prison cell, with excess energy production, (that could be directed elsewhere, prison labor anyone?). Removes (by destroying, not dumping) CO2. Removes (by destroying) all vomit, pee, and other nasties. Replenishes oxygen (prisoner quality oxygen!). Comes with it's own grow room/food production, off limits from the prisoner (and anyone else!) Lights and storage included, bedding costs extra. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
heckubis Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 lol nice Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-878808 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothalin Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Don't the meal worms need replanted every 3 growth cycles? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-878812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonsOnMyElbows Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 minute ago, Lothalin said: Don't the meal worms need replanted every 3 growth cycles? They can reach diagonally via the ladders, but no gases or temperatures transfer into the room. The seeds are not used up every 3 cycles, but rather just pop out onto the floor. No resources need to come in or out. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-878818 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Electroely Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 how does one destroy CO2? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-878822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothalin Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 11 minutes ago, SpoonsOnMyElbows said: They can reach diagonally via the ladders, but no gases or temperatures transfer into the room. The seeds are not used up every 3 cycles, but rather just pop out onto the floor. No resources need to come in or out. Ok cool going to try this. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-878824 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonsOnMyElbows Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Electroely said: how does one destroy CO2? You can destroy gases and liquids by looping them through pumps and vents. A little is lost each time. That bottom chamber in the screenshot is where the dirty water and CO2 gather, the liquid and gas pump are destroying any gases and liquids that pool there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-878825 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi01 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 You can also destroy gasses by pumping them into a hydrogen generator. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-878951 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quantum1000 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Is that really enough food? I heard you need 5 plants to be able to sustain a dupe without harvesting and 3 with... 2 doesn't seem like nearly enough. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879134 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 One dupe eats 1000 calories per day. One mealwood gives 1500 every 5th day when not set to harvesting, or 300 calories per day. That means you need 1000/3, or 3.333... mealwood in total which rounded up is minimum 4. Some people like to put in 50% stifling buffers so that you have some time to correct if your plants start to get stifled. 3.333... +50% is 5 mealwood. However, when fully enclosed like this stifling is not possible (except when you've rank up the number of cycles and the game mechanics can't cope) so you don't need that buffer. 4 mealwood in the case is sufficient, and in fact still a little over the top. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879147 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mast3r07 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 How do you deal with heat generated by hamster wheel? I think the dupe will boil in time and die, because the room is isolated. Or is he immune to high temperatures? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879162 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michi01 Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Mast3r07 said: How do you deal with heat generated by hamster wheel? I think the dupe will boil in time and die, because the room is isolated. Or is he immune to high temperatures? Dupes are currently immune to high temperatures although plants are not. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879166 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 7 minutes ago, Michi01 said: Dupes are currently immune to high temperatures although plants are not. When plants are enclosed like that they effectively are immune to air pressure and temperature changes. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879173 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subquake Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I tried to replicate what you did there in my playthrough at around day 130: I had a problem with Morb spawn though, I got only one and no matter how much I save/load the game, it doesn't want to spawn more. However I picked a Dupe, that has -25g/s less oxygen requirements due to the Diver's Lungs perk. So far he seems fine. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879204 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonsOnMyElbows Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 Awesome! Hmm did you have another dead dupe somewhere else? And is the temperature ok in the room? I found the puke and pee ends up warming up the room to around 40c after a while, and even though the morb says its overheated at 40, it doesn't seem to care that much. If it's much higher than that, (say 50+) then the morbs might have spawned and died. It does take a while to spawn them, and they spawn 1 at a time. I actually rounded them up by hand for this one, because i was silly and didn't know about most debug commands, and also forgot that i could just put a dead body where i wanted them to go. And also, although it takes 2 and a halfish morbs to support 1 dupe, combined with the divers lung, and the fact that they are perfectly fine to hold their breaths often, 1 is probably all you need. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879211 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subquake Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Yes, in fact a lot of them: Been killing Dupes for a while now, one by one for the grater good, so that the others can live Edit: Also not quite related to the topic, but I still wanted to share: The puffs produce very little amounts of slime, for several hours of gameplay I got only few tons of it from 4 puffs, that's not enough to sustain a decently sized colony and run bio distillers. I guess so far the only safe solution to get water is by running vomit and pee/poo colony. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879213 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonsOnMyElbows Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 1 hour ago, Michi01 said: Dupes are currently immune to high temperatures although plants are not. The heat wheel hardly generates heat, especially not a runaway effect. The biggest heat source is the pee water, and heats the room (after many cycles) to around 40 - 41. This is perfectly fine for the dupe and the morbs (although the morbs will say they are overheated). The plant room is isolated from any change in temp or atmosphere, so they remain constant. If any of the batteries are exposed however, then things would get too hot over time. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879215 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonsOnMyElbows Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, Subquake said: Yes, in fact a lot of them: Been killing Dupes for a while now, one by one for the grater good, so that the others can live Ah, that's probably why then. They are probably spawning on the other dupes. You can round them in by hand though, but if 1 is working fine, there's not really any need. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879216 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehMugwump Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Sustainable yes, but at what cost @SpoonsOnMyElbows, at what cost! Oh, the humanity... Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879219 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Subquake Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 Just now, tehMugwump said: Sustainable yes, but at what cost @SpoonsOnMyElbows, at what cost! Oh, the humanity... If preservation of the dupe race is at stake, then all means of survival are viable as long as the species survive Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879220 Share on other sites More sharing options...
tehMugwump Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 I guess they can dream of a better life in the next reincarnation haha. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879221 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonsOnMyElbows Posted March 7, 2017 Author Share Posted March 7, 2017 5 minutes ago, tehMugwump said: Sustainable yes, but at what cost @SpoonsOnMyElbows, at what cost! Oh, the humanity... But i bet those Morbs are loving it! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879224 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saturnus Posted March 7, 2017 Share Posted March 7, 2017 34 minutes ago, tehMugwump said: Sustainable yes, but at what cost @SpoonsOnMyElbows, at what cost! Oh, the humanity... They are printed duplicants... I don't really the issue here. Next you'll be vying for robot labour rights? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879245 Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpoonsOnMyElbows Posted March 8, 2017 Author Share Posted March 8, 2017 3 hours ago, Saturnus said: They are printed duplicants... I don't really the issue here. Next you'll be vying for robot labour rights? I wonder if they will add a power/material cost to printing dupes in the future. That would be pretty cool. EDIT: and perhaps we could even have to build/research the printer, and not start with one. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/75531-self-sustainable-prison-cell-enclosed/#findComment-879328 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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