Vargling Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 This reflects his more 'normal human' state, equal to the others. His bigportrait would need a redesign, and perhaps his title and quote could be changed. Besides that, I think this would work well, though it may confuse some who aren't familiar with the lore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruerte Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Maxwell may be free of the throne, but this doesn't automatically make him William. He is still Maxwell, the dark magic wielding magician with a nasty streak, and he had replaced our favourite Dork Carter long before the Final Act, even. Bringing William back will take more than a simple dethroning. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-841993 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargling Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 23 minutes ago, Net Spectre said: Maxwell may be free of the throne, but this doesn't automatically make him William. He is still Maxwell, the dark magic wielding magician with a nasty streak, and he had replaced our favourite Dork Carter long before the Final Act, even. Bringing William back will take more than a simple dethroning. Except he's actually good to the others now, so your point against it is untrue still... William used Shadows too, he should be changed for Together after banding with the others and accepting the common interest. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-841996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Holy Toledo, somebody hold my rodent. William has been dead long since the Codex found him. Maxwell disliked himself - the British accent (notice he deliberately introduces much American slang, not to mention actually speaking AmE), the glasses, the shyness. Him being dethroned changes nothing - more than that, I find him ashamed of what happened, that he was too weak for THEM and Charlie became the innocent victim. Whether he's good to the transients or not depends entirely on the player playing him. Canonically, he only helps build the portal. Then he's gone (except for that little cameo with the toad when he's fighting it with Woodie). Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-841997 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fruerte Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Just now, Arlesienne said: William has been dead long since the Codex found him. Aw, you've ninja'd me. Wanted to type exactly that. Maxwell is acting on his own interests. I don't see him being buddy-buddy to the rest of the survivors. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-841998 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vargling Posted November 26, 2016 Author Share Posted November 26, 2016 21 minutes ago, Arlesienne said: Holy Toledo, somebody hold my rodent. William has been dead long since the Codex found him. Maxwell disliked himself - the British accent (notice he deliberately introduces much American slang, not to mention actually speaking AmE), the glasses, the shyness. Him being dethroned changes nothing - more than that, I find him ashamed of what happened, that he was too weak for THEM and Charlie became the innocent victim. Whether he's good to the transients or not depends entirely on the player playing him. Canonically, he only helps build the portal. Then he's gone (except for that little cameo with the toad when he's fighting it with Woodie). You mean, besides all of his quotes, all of which are official? There's 100% evidence to my point, and none to yours, yet I'm wrong? Building the portal wasn't to help Wilson? He wasn't helping Woodie with the toad? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-842008 Share on other sites More sharing options...
halfrose Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 I am fairly sure if Klei did not change his apperance yet or when they released is because they either have a reason behind it, or they don't want to, because regardless it is Maxwell people wanted to play as, not William, his story revealed on DS showed her became Maxwell way before ending up on the throne. 4 minutes ago, Vargling said: You mean, besides all of his quotes, all of which are official? There's 100% evidence to my point, and none to yours, yet I'm wrong? Building the portal wasn't to help Wilson? He wasn't helping Woodie with the toad? Help someone doesn't automatically make you a good, changed person, also it is not 100% evidence, you don't work at klei, you play the games, the thing that they made public, the only way for you to assume it is 100% is if you worked there and had all information...which I doubt you would be able to mention since you would be part of the staff. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-842010 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 2 hours ago, Vargling said: You mean, besides all of his quotes, all of which are official? There's 100% evidence to my point, and none to yours, yet I'm wrong? Building the portal wasn't to help Wilson? He wasn't helping Woodie with the toad? You only get helper quotes if you resurrect someone. So it is not Max, but the player. The portal was built out of Charlie's cue. You can say the men were enthralled. I consider truly canonical what is drawn by Klei or written in the puzzles. Max and Woodie with the toad were from gameplay. Were they as an animation, like Willow and Wilson, here would be something. My evidence is simple: the puzzles. Anyone can learn just how much William disliked himself. It's sensible, psychology-wise, even. Changing his name back after all that has already happened would make no sense and wipe the lore. Panta rhei, sir. William is gone. Here comes Maxwell. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-842026 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donke60 Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 What a player does as a character is not proof of the said characters He lost his powers and he wants to leave Like everybody else Maxwell and William are one and the same one is before one is after 6 hours ago, Vargling said: This reflects his more 'normal human' state, equal to the others. His bigportrait would need a redesign, Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-842027 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tainted-Petals Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 Please leave Maxwell alone. He is perfect as he is (and by that I mean, snarky, mildly twisted and a shadow user). I had more to say but, honestly just let Max be himself, William was how he was and Max is how he is now. A reinvention of sense of self doesn't suddenly just disappear. Those traits are still there, doesn't mean he can't be mildly considerate towards others (as you said, the lua files imply), but being mildly considerate doesn't suddenly make him a totally different person. tl;dr Please leave the snarky former king alone. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-842029 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arlesienne Posted November 26, 2016 Share Posted November 26, 2016 3 hours ago, Tainted-Petals said: Please leave Maxwell alone. He is perfect as he is (and by that I mean, snarky, mildly twisted and a shadow user). I had more to say but, honestly just let Max be himself, William was how he was and Max is how he is now. A reinvention of sense of self doesn't suddenly just disappear. Those traits are still there, doesn't mean he can't be mildly considerate towards others (as you said, the lua files imply), but being mildly considerate doesn't suddenly make him a totally different person. tl;dr Please leave the snarky former king alone. THIS. Excellent. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-842080 Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheKingDedede Posted November 27, 2016 Share Posted November 27, 2016 I agree with @Tainted-Petals. Leave the man be. Although, if you want to at least look like William Carter, the Untriumphant is always there for you. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/72032-maxwells-name-should-be-changed-to-william/#findComment-842181 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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