New Booster Shot Materials

[Ethlin]

Please forgive me if this sounds harsh, that's just how I type/speak. I played today and went to make a booster shot and noticed the materials to craft it have been considerably nerfed. It used to take 2 healing salves, some papyrus, and a stinger, now it only takes 8 (I think) rot, 2 nitre, and a stinger. That is incredibly easy to make which is a shame.

The old shot wasn't hard to make, but it at least required heading to a spider pit and/or swamp to get the materials (Unless stocked up obviously), but now the materials are even easier. 2 nitre is a joke and 8 (I think) rot is even easier to make, neither require doing anything even remotely dangerous (Drop 8 things on the ground and wait a few days and mine a 1-2 rocks). Death is supposed to be punishing, and the ease of restoring the max HP penalty kind of negates it.

I'm not saying remove the item completely, heck I say add it to single player (Haven't played it, but from what I understand it isn't in it), but make the materials harder to get or at least not a complete joke. Also rot and nitre make no sense whatsoever, if you are going to go with materials that make no sense then go with flint since there is sooo much extra of that.

[t0panka]

What is even more bad about this new recipe is that we can't do it right away because of that rot. I really don't understand logic behind this. Death is NOTHING right now but now you need to wait few days to get your HP back? This is like are you beginner? = when you die basically nothing happens so you can die a lot without any big consequences! Are you advanced/experienced player? = if you happen to die somehow guess what ... you need to WAIT few days to fix your HP! This went from challenge to waiting game :/ and not talking about that it doesn't make any sense for something that gives you HP cap back to have rot in recipe. This babysitting new players is ridiculous IMO

EDIT: didn't saw this is in suggestions forum. I propose to change rot for 2 mosquito sacks, 4 spider glands, 4 honey or whatever else that we can spend time doing and actually go into world to explore. With 8 rot people will sit in camp 3 days and there is one less reason to go in not so popular swamp :/

[PanAzej]

How about you have to catch live mosquitos to make a booster shot instead of that rot? Makes some use of them mosquitos and you have to go out of your way and actually catch them, not just scoup some rot from bottom of your fridge.

[werlpolf]

2 hours ago, t0panka said:

you need to WAIT few days to fix your HP!

Don't you need to wait for many things, too? Like preparing for fight and get armors?

Its maybe a way to show, that you cant constantly die day after day.

 

4 hours ago, Ethlin said:

The old shot wasn't hard to make

I think for the most people it was quite hard or these booster shots haven't been used crafted actually often. I didn't created them, because it was quite a waste of time and resources (I don't play more then a year). Everything, that is not being used somehow in a game, makes the game more negative.

[t0panka]

26 minutes ago, werlpolf said:

Don't you need to wait for many things, too? Like preparing for fight and get armors?

Its maybe a way to show, that you cant constantly die day after day.

You don't need to wait to make any armor and preparing is process but you not waiting for anything. You can go and get/do what you need to do. Other than making rot part of ANY recipe is ridiculous you need to wait few days until you get that item so if not sitting in base all the time - most people will do this - you will have 1 less space in inventory because of waiting for rot and then you need to get to alchemy to craft it anyway so this recipe will make people sit in base :/

How was old recipe hard? Because of 2 glands? People already need those for hearts so either you have it or you know where to get it. Because of reeds? How is going into swamp and pick 8 reeds hard? Its not like those reeds are infested with tentacles. 99% of reeds doesn't have any tentacles near and you just run in other parts of swamp anyway. Getting stinger is more dangerous than getting glands or reeds IMO because you actually need to kill some bees (some just drop honey) and when you do you will get red bees to chase you and those can stunlock some new player and he will die (he also has less health from revive)

And there is also this thing - uncompromising survival game - where death is punished. Not that much anymore tho :/

[werlpolf]

42 minutes ago, t0panka said:

How was old recipe hard?

You need 1. spiders and 2. rocks. Which are maybe found in other biomes. Then, again in other biomes, you would need to collect 3. stingers, which takes you a place away from your inventory. And lastly, 4. reeds, which are also found in other biomes. It is quite a complex way. Other stuff wouldn't need this effort or organization - so it is unfamiliar, too.

With that effort I would already could collect many healing salves only, which I value higher.

42 minutes ago, t0panka said:

Other than making rot part of ANY recipe is ridiculous you need to wait few days until you get that item so if not sitting in base all the time

You don't need to sit somewhere. You always can do something. Btw. you can collect more rot as need for future booster shots, too. And you can still be ressurected a 2nd or 3rd time even without using booster shots. This 'rot-feature' makes it for me more interesting. Besides, I can live with many things. For me its fine and I welcome new changes. Always some pros and cons ....

[hyiltiz]

Hate to see something at the bottom of the chain (like ash and rot, something you get when worst thing happen and is normally not reversible) actually happened in the game, so SUDDENTY!

[KitcheVadimas]

The new booster shots are dirt cheap now.  Need rot?  Grab some lightbulbs or berries and plop them on the ground in base; both those rot fast and are stupid easy to get large amounts of.  Nitre is usually in the base, waiting for summer.  It also doesn't make sense to inject yourself with rot.  Injecting healing salve made sense, injecting rotted food does NOT. Having the needle's tube made of papyrus was OK.  Made more sense than rocks.  

[DwerBomb]

On 15 marzo 2016 at 6:32 AM, KitcheVadimas said:

 It also doesn't make sense to inject yourself with rot.  Injecting healing salve made sense, injecting rotted food does NOT.

I think the rot ingredient is a reference to penicillin, whose group of antibiotics "are derived from Penicillium fungi".

[KitcheVadimas]

7 hours ago, DwerBomb said:

I think the rot ingredient is a reference to penicillin, whose group of antibiotics "are derived from Penicillium fungi".

Perhaps. Peniciln fungi seems to grow in fruits instead of all foods, so it still doesn't make a huge amount of sense compared to healing salves, balance-wise or lore-wise.