228 Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 It would be cool if her lighter could be refueled with lightbulbs. Mushrooms are abundant in caves, and cooking them as she goes (green and blue) would keep her sanity high. So being possible to refuel her lighter with lightbulbs is great buff in my opinion, because making new ones in caves is not easy. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConfusedCourier Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 OR they could just make it infinite again because nerfing it under the guise of preventing griefing is silly as torches do the same thing and take no effort to craft. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680679 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pyromailmann Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 Maybe just some sort of fuel.Like Wood, Grass, or Twigs. It'd behase like a handheld portable campfire. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680685 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiddyGuy Posted October 16, 2015 Share Posted October 16, 2015 OR they could just make it infinite again because nerfing it under the guise of preventing griefing is silly as torches do the same thing and take no effort to craft. I don't think they really need to make it infinite again cause then there would be no reason to have a crafting tab for it so you could make more for your friends, What I really wish they gave back to Willow was her fire immunity no real reason to take that out and it would help you warm up if your insane and cold. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
LucasShiroi Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 I agree with Giddy. I could careless if her lighter was infinite or not but why take away the fire immunity? It was one of the things that really made her stand out from the other characters Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680770 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xavven Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Hm, I always envisioned the light bulbs being a bio-luminescent plant. It wouldn't necessarily make a good lighter fluid. Not that realism is the hallmark of Don't Starve, though I really can't think of anything else in the stock game that would make a good lighter fluid resource. So I think my vote is for making it infinite. Lighters last a long time. I usually lose them before I use them up. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680779 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeilerderWelten Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 You can still warm her up, you stand 3 seconds in a burning tree, than you go quick out and than you go in again for for 3 seconds and repeat, there is no big diffrence than with complete immunity. In PVP there is a big diffrence if she is fire immune she can´t be attacked by torches and fire staffs/fire darts and co, while other chars get a good chunk of damage by fire. Also lavae and fire hounds wouldn´t be very dangerous to her. She has now a terror beak bait teddy, she is the best char for starting in summer or summer in general, because of her insanity freeze effect, she can cook caps, morsels, etc. on the fly without wasting item slots or material for fire, she has a better torch that burns 7 times longer, she only get 50% fire damage (I think?) and is 3 seconds completly immune to fire damage (I think, maybe longer).Also, she gets sanity near fires, fire pit included! Willow is fine, the main reason why people are upset about her now is, because she had OP perks before the nerf:immune to charlie and to fire damage and also immune to freezing,you just burn a forest down or a player base and stand like an idiot in the fire. The reason why many people didn´t played her even while she was that strong was her drawback of burning anything down when you sanity was low and I don´t see very many players that want that "perk" back, eh? Willow is ok, she has a bunch of nice little perks and don´t burn bases down anymore when the player couldn´t get her sanity up.Also, she looks awsome. ^^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680892 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeilerderWelten Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 That beeing said, refueling her lighter in caves only maps would be good. ^^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680893 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Reaper Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Slime will be the PERFECT refuel element! "Yes Slime" Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680897 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPECIALPLAYER333 Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Her blood can recover by standing with fire or holding a lighter,I have been aliving 147 days by using her,but not adventure mode,haha. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680901 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeilerderWelten Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 SepiaPaper is right, slime confirmed need nerf...aehm, need to be fuel. ^^ Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680903 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhyNotWhy Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 You can still warm her up, you stand 3 seconds in a burning tree, than you go quick out and than you go in again for for 3 seconds and repeat, there is no big diffrence than with complete immunity. In PVP there is a big diffrence if she is fire immune she can´t be attacked by torches and fire staffs/fire darts and co, while other chars get a good chunk of damage by fire. Also lavae and fire hounds wouldn´t be very dangerous to her. She has now a terror beak bait teddy, she is the best char for starting in summer or summer in general, because of her insanity freeze effect, she can cook caps, morsels, etc. on the fly without wasting item slots or material for fire, she has a better torch that burns 7 times longer, she only get 50% fire damage (I think?) and is 3 seconds completly immune to fire damage (I think, maybe longer).Also, she gets sanity near fires, fire pit included! Willow is fine, the main reason why people are upset about her now is, because she had OP perks before the nerf:immune to charlie and to fire damage and also immune to freezing,you just burn a forest down or a player base and stand like an idiot in the fire. The reason why many people didn´t played her even while she was that strong was her drawback of burning anything down when you sanity was low and I don´t see very many players that want that "perk" back, eh? Willow is ok, she has a bunch of nice little perks and don´t burn bases down anymore when the player couldn´t get her sanity up.Also, she looks awsome. ^^ She isn't fine, all of her "advantages" are negligible. Cooking on the go is not useful once you get a fire pit and crock pot up. Her lighter has terrible light radius and isn't much of an advantage when you can make torches which emit more light and materials are everywhere. Later in the game you get lanterns and miner hats, so the lighter has no use. Fire resistance is quite pointless. PVP? Pick Wigfrid. It's a terribly balanced setting and shouldn't even be considered. Lavae? No one even fights them, just build a wall. Fire hounds? Step away from the fire when they die, it's that easy. The sanity bonus from campfire is so small you'll need to spend lots of time near the fire, ensuring loss of productivity. The freezing from insanity can be useful in summer, but it's just 1 season out of 4, it'll likely get you when you don't want it. Bernie seems okay, but you can just learn to kite shadow creatures. And on top of being inferior, she gets 120 sanity instead of the typical 200. Why. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680955 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiddyGuy Posted October 17, 2015 Share Posted October 17, 2015 Her lighter has terrible light radius and isn't much of an advantage when you can make torches which emit more light and materials are everywhere. Later in the game you get lanterns and miner hats, so the lighter has no use. Yes but it can still cook on the go which means you won't have to waste materials and I think it having a smaller radius of a torch is fair since it lasts longer than a torch and can cook food, Fire resistance is quite pointless. PVP? Pick Wigfrid. It's a terribly balanced setting and shouldn't even be considered. Lavae? No one even fights them, just build a wall. Fire hounds? Step away from the fire when they die, it's that easy. I have to agree with you on that one. The sanity bonus from campfire is so small you'll need to spend lots of time near the fire, ensuring loss of productivity I also agree a little bit with you on that one too. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-680979 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Reaper Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 Her blood can recover by standing with fire or holding a lighter,I have been aliving 147 days by using her,but not adventure mode,haha. Wait, what? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-681128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeilerderWelten Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 She isn't fine, all of her "advantages" are negligible. Cooking on the go is not useful once you get a fire pit and crock pot up. Her lighter has terrible light radius and isn't much of an advantage when you can make torches which emit more light and materials are everywhere. Later in the game you get lanterns and miner hats, so the lighter has no use. Fire resistance is quite pointless. PVP? Pick Wigfrid. It's a terribly balanced setting and shouldn't even be considered. Lavae? No one even fights them, just build a wall. Fire hounds? Step away from the fire when they die, it's that easy. The sanity bonus from campfire is so small you'll need to spend lots of time near the fire, ensuring loss of productivity. The freezing from insanity can be useful in summer, but it's just 1 season out of 4, it'll likely get you when you don't want it. Bernie seems okay, but you can just learn to kite shadow creatures. And on top of being inferior, she gets 120 sanity instead of the typical 200. Why. "She isn't fine, all of her "advantages" are negligible. Cooking on the go is not useful once you get a fire pit and crock pot up." That depends on you playstyle, if you just sit in every season in your base or in a range of 2 screens of your base, than it is not very useful, for every explorer, or nomad it is a fine perk, also, you waste less wood and gras and you don´t leave traces of your fires on PVP "Battle Royal" servers, if you need to eat a green cap or a cactus flesh for sanity or something for your hunger. You will probably live longer when a pathfinder is after you. "PVP? Pick Wigfrid. It's a terribly balanced setting and shouldn't even be considered." Fire damage will go through Wigfrids defenses and if Willow has atleast one piece of armor and doesn´t lag like a slug, she will kill Wigi. (if Willow inflicts fire damage and than runs away and so on) Also you can ignite a tree or even a forest if Wigi is after you. You can just run to the burning tree(s) and stand in the fire for 3 seconds, than you leave the fire for a second and than you go in for another 3 seconds, if Wigi loves her F key so much that she follows you into the fire, than you will probably have a new helmet and spear very soon. Good work Willow. "Lavae? No one even fights them, just build a wall." Thats pretty true, but I am quiet sure there are people that do challenges without walls, flingos, fire glitches, bunkers, etc. or don´t use guides and the forum and a team of 4 Willows has way better chances against lavae than a team of 4 Wigfrids. The Wigis will just burn to death. Also the enraged Dragon Fly does heavy fire damage when all lavae are dead, so Willow will survive also longer than any other char, OP Mod chars excluded. "Fire hounds? Step away from the fire when they die." Thats also true, but on day 100+ there will be a bunch of red hounds in summer and if 5 of them explode in your tooth traps and you stand in the center you will loose a good chunk of health before you get out of the kiln, unless you have a scale armor of corse. But I am with you on that point, you can dodge there "after burner" most of the time. "The sanity bonus from campfire is so small you'll need to spend lots of time near the fire, ensuring loss of productivity." Also true the effect is small, but if you have no other option it can save your ham, also if you spawn in Winter you can just stand in the fire, you won´t freeze, you will get sanity and charlie won´t visit you, if you survive the hound attacks and find something to eat, you can actually survive a whole winter without flint, gras, twigs, wood and rocks. You just need trees for Willow barbecues. Also you can cook your blue/green caps, mole worms, rabbits, monster meat with your ligther.If your lighter is empty you have probably already found the birch forest and the pig king.(lighter burns 7 times longer than a torch) You need gold and petals for a new lighter (I think) You get gold from morsels (rabbits, just hunt them without traps or if you find a rock, coal, flint, just lure mole worms to you and kill them, also gobblers are an option)and trade your meat for gold, if you are a little bit lucky you will find flowers even in winter, so you have a new lighter and more Willow barbecues. Back to the sanity. The sanity regen from fires will also stack with, garlands, top hats, glommer, etc. so after Maxwell (dapperness), Woodie (pine cones) and Wigi (F key) Willow is the best choice for sanity management. Willow only has 120 sanity, so she can regain her full sanity faster than a char with more max sanity like Wilson (200) or Wicker (250). "The freezing from insanity can be useful in summer, but it's just 1 season out of 4, it'll likely get you when you don't want it." Indeed, but by far the hardest season and she is probably the only char in the game that has a real chance to survive, when she spawns in summer and that is an interesting challenge too. Every one that played 20 hours can survive when he/she spawns in autumn or spring.After 40 hours and a little bit of luck most players can probably survive even a winter spawn.But summer gets them all, even after 100+ hours, unless you are very lucky and you find a base or a endothermic fire blue print (of corse you do ^^) or even enough flowers (for fans) that survived the wild fires. If the insanity freezing kills you there was something wrong with your sanity management. It is also a good idea to have a thermal stone with Willow if you have to fight Bosses with insanity auras. If you start to freeze, ignite a tree and stand there until your stone is hot like the head of a ragequitter. "Bernie seems okay, but you can just learn to kite shadow creatures." Thats the big problem, if you kite crawling horrors you can`t do anything else and if you have no decent weapon, because every flint was looted (you just started), it broke (the weapon) and you have no gras for ropes or not enough time to craft because of other creatures that are after you (you run away from deerclops, hounds, blood thirsty gobblers, etc.) you don´t have enough time to deal with the horrors until new horrors will spawn or even terror beaks. And kiting 2 crawling horrors and 1-2 terror beak is pretty problematic and if the host is not the best and you have a laggy game it could be a better choice to let bernie do the dance with the beaks and do something useful in that time: 1. craft a log suit2. craft a spear3. find some green caps4. eat some green caps5. craft a straw roll6. sleep7. make some crying emotes8. hammer the god mode command in your keys like a real champ "And on top of being inferior, she gets 120 sanity instead of the typical 200. Why." Because she is an insane fire starter, like Webber is a little child inside a huge spider,thats not that good for sanity. ^^ Also, as I said, if you have lower max sanity you can regain it much faster. If Willow has 0 sanity, she has to pick 24 flowers to get her max sanity back.If Wicker has 0 sanity, she has to pick 50 flowers to get her max sanity back. Its the same with sleeping, clothes, foods, etc. Willow has her sanity way faster back than most other chars. And the most important thing why Willow rocks. SHE IS HOT! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-681137 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GiddyGuy Posted October 18, 2015 Share Posted October 18, 2015 7. make some crying emotesBest way to deal with sanity na you must be like the most pro willow player ever, And the most important thing why Willow rocks. SHE IS HOT!I have to agree with you there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-681225 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ASPECIALPLAYER333 Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Wait, what?Just like what you see. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-682280 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine Reaper Posted October 24, 2015 Share Posted October 24, 2015 Just like what you see. Willow only recovers her sanity while near fire, in other words her brains, she can't recover her health/heart while near fire. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/58535-possible-willow-buff/#findComment-682294 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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