Why must the game be so mega-hard?

[ImDaMisterL]

What is if one wants to get to know DST with pleasure together with a friend or relatives without having played before DS which maybe has a Tutorial? A Tutorial is with such a play, nevertheless, the least what one should be able to expect, or not? So why no Tutorial for DST? Or does this still come?

One begins the game and has no idea what to do. You look at the area on, picking a few berries and pleased that you can eat it. At some point you look at the strange construction menu and notes that it is extremely confusing. It can be seen that with the few things that have been collected,can establish a few things. The first night to survive, is a matter of luck for a newbie.

Quite honestly: DST is my first survival game. I don't know how such a game works. I know only one thing: you must somehow try to survive. What I need is a tutorial, which introduces me gently in the game mechanics and has a learning curve similar to invisible Inc.. If one knows the basic things, you can be left alone then.

But it must be said (was also of Gamestar.de): the construction menu should be much more clear and self-explanatory. You should already see the things that you still cannot produce, at least in shades of gray. In this game, you can spend not just a few days to get to know the menu, to find out what you can do here and what you need for this. This must go as soon as possible. At first glance, you should can see all objects and can immediately know what it is. And on the second glance you should can already know why you need it and what you need for this. The things you need for this - or in a dictionary. that is callable in the game - should you get an info, where you can get these things here. There should be information about the enemies in the game, how dangerous they are.

I thought by myself, Invisible Inc. is such a good game, so I want to try another game from Klei. But at the moment it is very frustrating for me. It can not be, that one must look at many Let's Plays and spend many days at the forum to get to know to play the game.

Ok, I think, that's it for the moment. Please think about it. Thank you.

I don't know about you, but of the few friends I played with, they didn't complain about the difficulty at all, actually, we laughed our mistakes and deaths off, one of them never played DS nor DST before, so when I got him DST and we started playing he felt like you did, but he coped with it better...

[imsomony]

What is if one wants to get to know DST with pleasure together with a friend or relatives without having played before DS which maybe has a Tutorial? A Tutorial is with such a play, nevertheless, the least what one should be able to expect, or not? So why no Tutorial for DST? Or does this still come?

 

There is no tutorial for DS either. The single-player version of the game is known as "an uncompromising wilderness survival game". All of us played and died and repeated that many times to become more competent. Unless we asked questions and sought out answers on our own, there were no tips, no guidance, and no objectives.

 

That said, there are a number of guides and tutorials out there created by players - in written form or in videos on YouTube. There is also a Don't Starve Wiki that contains quite a lot of information, although you do need to know what word or phrase to search for to find your answer. 

 

While DST has some mechanical changes to balance the game, the basic guidelines to begin surviving remain the same in both DST and DS. One of our mods here on the forums wrote this one for DS if you'd like to check it out. It was written before Reign of Giants was introduced, so it doesn't contain tips for the changes that came along with that... so keep in mind that when he refers to Summer, he means the DST/RoG season called Autumn. Anyway, I hope it can help you and your friends to feel a little less overwhelmed getting started.

 

You could also try watching some Twitch streams of people who play either version of the game, and engaging with them and other people on chat. Off the top of my head, these are people who play DS or DST often, and are welcoming and helpful with newcomers: cptCalavera, Clwnbaby, Flare2V, DizzyDizaster, Glhrmzz, SlickBlackJesus

[Derpime]

But it must be said (was also of Gamestar.de): the construction menu should be much more clear and self-explanatory. You should already see the things that you still cannot produce, at least in shades of gray. In this game, you can spend not just a few days to get to know the menu, to find out what you can do here and what you need for this. This must go as soon as possible. At first glance, you should can see all objects and can immediately know what it is. And on the second glance you should can already know why you need it and what you need for this. The things you need for this - or in a dictionary. that is callable in the game - should you get an info, where you can get these things here. There should be information about the enemies in the game, how dangerous they are.

 

THEY JUST CHANGE THIS IN THEIR LATEST UI UPDATE

 

 

USE THE WIKI,IT IS THERE FOR A REASON

 

And how dangerous one mob is?Please,please,please,god,please.YOU NEED TO EXPLORE,NOT JUST READ SOME INFORMATIONS AND THEN STEAM ROLLED THE GAME,PLEASEEEE!For Klei's Sake,please

*FACE PALM*

 

There was one thread about this thing already,the names already told you what it does

 

And use the search function,thank you.There was one thready already been made about this same problem.

(fix your tag,it is dying not dieing)

[SageKun]

The hardest thing in DST for veterans is only two things

1:lag

2:bad players

Its mostly lag though...

[krandi]

You can proclaim discuss mostly not helpful here, but my posts are aimed at the developers, not the community. Sorry that I have not written to that. I don't know where I otherwise would have to write down my concern.

[ImDaMisterL]

You can proclaim discuss mostly not helpful here, but my posts are aimed at the developers, not the community. Sorry that I have not written to that. I don't know where I otherwise would have to write down my concern.

The thing is, your request fell on deaf ears.

Don't Starve Together was MADE to be a hard game, (and some, surprisingly, consider it easy) not to be a walk in the park.

Plus, dude, it doesn't matter if your message was meant for the developers, if the community renected it then they will too.

They'd lose too much reputation and lose a good portion of their fans if they applied your suggestions to the game.

BESIDES, the game is totally balanced, all the things you complained can be either avoided or bested, it's just a matter of plans and preparation.

[applebottom]

You can proclaim discuss mostly not helpful here, but my posts are aimed at the developers, not the community. Sorry that I have not written to that. I don't know where I otherwise would have to write down my concern.

Hi! I wanted to reply a non-trollish comment to your topic.

 

I checked your profile yesterday and saw you're actually an Invisible Inc fan first before DS. It's understandable you are coming into the game with certain expectations.

 

However, DS/DST is a totally different game. It doesn't have a tutorial. It doesn't have helpful tooltips telling you what to do. It's a very punishing survival game. That's the type of game that it is. Some people love that kind of game. Some people hate it. Some people are taken by surprise but come to accept it.

 

The last part is me. I hope you are that person too because otherwise, you won't enjoy the game very much. (ie This game may not be for you.)

 

The "git gud" replies are a bit rude. But truth is, there was no tutorial. We all of us just died repeatedly until we learned how to survive. In fact, DS is more difficult than DST because in single player, if you die, the world is deleted. Your character is deleted. Your inventory is deleted. Your base is deleted. Your map is replaced...

 

There is no one to revive you. There is no Endless portal where you can revive yourself repeatedly and go back to your base and try to make sense of things. You will start from scratch every time you make a stupid mistake like forgetting a torch or kicking one of the mob frogs.

 

Some of the players here are used to this type of sudden-death games and pick up the concepts really fast. Lesser mortals like us have to find other ways to be better at the game. Like reading the Wiki and watching Let's Plays. I was playing for a whole year (real-life) and not surviving Winter in-game until I caved and watched Let's Plays and read the wiki. And suddenly I can live for 300+ days in-game. If you don't hate spoilers, you should definitely try those to get a feel of how the game should be played. Once you get basic concepts, you'll be okay. I know playing DS/DST has somehow helped me "git gud" at other survival games quickly.

 

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TL;DR I know you're addressing your post to the devs, but I think this isn't a game design problem. It is more of a mismatch between the type of player we are and the type of game DS/DST is. You can either accept that this kind of game is not for you, or go through with it and maybe discover a new set of playing skills you can apply to other similar games.

[DwerBomb]

We only like it if it's hard

[krandi]

Hi! I wanted to reply a non-trollish comment to your topic.

 

I checked your profile yesterday and saw you're actually an Invisible Inc fan first before DS. It's understandable you are coming into the game with certain expectations.

 

However, DS/DST is a totally different game. It doesn't have a tutorial. It doesn't have helpful tooltips telling you what to do. It's a very punishing survival game. That's the type of game that it is. Some people love that kind of game. Some people hate it. Some people are taken by surprise but come to accept it.

 

The last part is me. I hope you are that person too because otherwise, you won't enjoy the game very much. (ie This game may not be for you.)

 

The "git gud" replies are a bit rude. But truth is, there was no tutorial. We all of us just died repeatedly until we learned how to survive. In fact, DS is more difficult than DST because in single player, if you die, the world is deleted. Your character is deleted. Your inventory is deleted. Your base is deleted. Your map is replaced...

 

There is no one to revive you. There is no Endless portal where you can revive yourself repeatedly and go back to your base and try to make sense of things. You will start from scratch every time you make a stupid mistake like forgetting a torch or kicking one of the mob frogs.

 

Some of the players here are used to this type of sudden-death games and pick up the concepts really fast. Lesser mortals like us have to find other ways to be better at the game. Like reading the Wiki and watching Let's Plays. I was playing for a whole year (real-life) and not surviving Winter in-game until I caved and watched Let's Plays and read the wiki. And suddenly I can live for 300+ days in-game. If you don't hate spoilers, you should definitely try those to get a feel of how the game should be played. Once you get basic concepts, you'll be okay. I know playing DS/DST has somehow helped me "git gud" at other survival games quickly.

 

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TL;DR I know you're addressing your post to the devs, but I think this isn't a game design problem. It is more of a mismatch between the type of player we are and the type of game DS/DST is. You can either accept that this kind of game is not for you, or go through with it and maybe discover a new set of playing skills you can apply to other similar games.

 

Hey. Thanks for your answer. I think, you are right, but I find a great pity ones that one must look only bulky Let's Plays to be able to play the play properly. And one can survive only if one copies everything and just makes, how the players in the Let's Plays. Moreover, one discovers thus the whole play without playing it.

In other words: you can not even get to know the game while playing without dying churning and having to start all over. I don't know how you can continue in DST in survival mode. If you died once.

[Derpime]

DST,DON"T STARVE TOGETHER.

Jesus,you will get revive if you die,this is honestly easier than normal Don't Starve,god,please

Maybe this is just not your type,go play something else

And no pain no pain no gain.You need to die so you can learn that you won't make that same mistake again

[ImDaMisterL]

DST,DON"T STARVE TOGETHER.

Jesus,you will get revive if you die,this is honestly easier than normal Don't Starve,god,please

Maybe this is just not your type,go play something else

And no pain no pain no gain.You need to die so you can learn that you won't make that same mistake again

Actually, DST is technically harder than DS, almost all bosses are stronger and, even though you can be revived easier than in DS, you'll get a health penalty and, while in ghost form, everyone playing the game will have a big sanity loss.

[Derpime]

Actually, DST is technically harder than DS, all bosses are stronger and, even though you can be revived easier than in DS, you'll get a health penalty and, while in ghost form, everyone playing the game will have a big sanity loss.

 

I think it is easier

Also,endless mode......

Also,there,i fixed that for you

[ImDaMisterL]

I think it is easier

Also,endless mode......

Also,there,i fixed that for you

ALL of them are stronger? Oh well

[XirmiX]

Why does one die within the first two minutes if one starts in summer or in winter?

* In summer you can actually survive the heat if it's not a gigantic heatwave that is ocurring at the timr you start. Just make some whirly fans and keep running, don't stop until you find something to cool you down properly. If a heatwave is up, then I'd suggest you make a pretty parasol, straw hat and go from tree to tree as well as have a whirly fan. In winter, well, you're basically screwed if you don't get some sort of heat source, such as grass and logs for campfires. Winter is harder as a starting season than summer, but it's the other way round when you have a base, strangely. So, if you start in Summer you could still survive! If you start in winter on the other hand your chances of surviving are much smaller.

Why does one lose in the spring so quickly mental health and can nothing do against it?

* you can do stuff to prevent it; make a pretty parasol, straw hat, make a campfire nearby and stand under a tree and sit until the rain ends. Not that hard to do, dude.

Why the monster dogs already come after few days and do eat up the player? And why immediately so many, even if one has put a few in the settings?

* I'd always advise people before making a server to set hounds to less because late game they come too many as well as too often. It becomes a chore. But sometimes when you hear barking, the hounds might come after someone else other than you. If you're on day 1 or 2 I doubt you'll get any hound attacks.

Why does the maximum health sink if one dies in the endless mode?

* Because then there would be no point in making telltale hearts, booster shots and meat effigies. It's endless, but not hard-less. Basically; balance reasons.

Why does the rain almost never stop in the spring?

* Because it's Spring, goddamit!

Why is autumn the only reasonable season in which one has some survival chances?

* Because there's no wind in the game, and even if there was, it would still be the easiest. A little wind isn't as big of a problem as rain, cold and heat, all of which are quite the problems in their seasons irl. The only reason why you might not notice this is due to you staying in-doors so much.

Why do the flowers grow again so slowly?

* They grow at a normal rate except in Spring, in which they grow way too fast, what are you talking about?

Where does one get enough gearwheels here to be able to build everything what one can build?

* From tumbleweeds, though it takes forever. The need for gears is immense, Klei should make them more abundant, especially as players will have no point playing as WX; the system overload is not enough to compensate and playing as WX disables you from getting an important feature of his active, so I agree with you on that one.

Why must one fertilise grass and berry bushes when one plants them somewhere else?

* Dunno, but it might just be a balance thing. Though it would be better if rain would fertilise unfertilised stuff too.

[applebottom]

I find a great pity ones that one must look only bulky Let's Plays to be able to play the play properly. And one can survive only if one copies everything and just makes, how the players in the Let's Plays. Moreover, one discovers thus the whole play without playing it. In other words: you can not even get to know the game while playing without dying churning and having to start all over.

 

I know that feeling! I was reluctant to watch Let's Plays too. It makes you feel guilty about reading the wiki and also feel jealous about people who stay firm about not reading spoilers. They sound like they're having fun discovering things by themselves.

 

If you really need help without much spoilers, you can open a topic here describing your problem. Forum members will give you lots of conflicting advice. It's up to you to decide and mix them up to create your own strategy. Maybe this is better than a Let's Play or wiki that just dictates what to do.

 

Or you can start a World with resources set to lots. Just be warned that sometimes setting nice things to lots can be a problem too, like beefaloes which can overrun your world. Or setting spiders to less can be a bad thing in the long run when you need silk for all your clothing and tent building.

 

I don't know how you can continue in DST in survival mode. If you died once.

Is this an actual question about the game? Someone from your team has to make a telltale heart from grass and a spider gland, then give it to your ghost. Be careful though, crafting a heart will take some health and sanity damage. If they have low hp, they can die too. (This happened to me a lot.) And if you resurrect via this method, your maximum health will go down. There are ways to bring it back up which I won't say in case you want to avoid spoilers.

 

You also might have noticed those resurrection stones scattered around the world. If you haunt them as ghost, you will revive without any health penalty. They are one-time use only. So if you're making a world, set them to Lots.

 

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Sorry about the negative responses to your topic. I think people react badly because they like the punishing type of game DS is. They see requests to "demystify" it as a threat to the essence of what DS is. So they kinda lash out. But these same people will gladly jump in and give you lots of tips if you break down your problems. Is it surviving Winter? Is it sanity drain in Spring? Running out of flint in an old server? ... and so on.

 

If you have a particular problem and want no spoilers, I'm sure most forum members can come up with ways to help you without giving everything away.

[krandi]

Ok. Thank you again for you answer.

 

Here is a question: Do stones grow again or are they regenerated, otherwise, anyhow after long time?

 

And Thank You to all the people, that has answered my questions kindly. But 

 

How do you know all these things you have to do to survive? Always ask people, look Let's Plays and read wiki?

 

Why the play does not explain this? This should do it anyway! Such a game without play instructions is like a piece of furniture without construction manual or a complicated technical device without manual. 

 

 

[ImDaMisterL]

a complicated technical device without manual. 

 

You're lucky to not to have been born back in the 60's or 70's. You wouldn't be able to play any game, old school games had no tutorial whatsoever, they just placed you in there and BAM, play it, it's up to you to beat the game.

 

Also, no, they don't regenerate as far as I know, once you've mined them then they're done for, unless you're in a special mode or something like that...

[Pyromailmann]

 Do stones grow again or are they regenerated, otherwise, anyhow after long time?

I haven't checked recently, but my answer is no, they don't.

 

 

How do you know all these things you have to do to survive?

For me, at first, I played a lot of Don't Starve originally, before the full release. Most of it was trial and error.

The game was very different back then to what it is now.

 

 

Such a game without play instructions is like a piece of furniture without construction manual or a complicated technical device without manual. 

If you've ever played any old-styled game (I think tutorials started around the SNES or N64), there was no tutorials. You just played and figured out the controls. DS and DST are both like those old types of games. It's a trial-error experience. Trial and Error can be fun sometimes. We have become accustomed to tutorials being in games because of each button combo you have to preform, like "Hold down x to do y" we've become very accustomed to tutorials.

[talmatityaho]

 

 Do stones grow again or are they regenerated, otherwise, anyhow after long time?

 

They actually do, If you are in a rocky biom sometimes meteors will fall from the sky and bring rocks with them, they can even create moon rocks!

just move away when you see a shadow on you. =)

[applebottom]

Here is a question: Do stones grow again or are they regenerated, otherwise, anyhow after long time?

 

They actually do, If you are in a rocky biom sometimes meteors will fall from the sky and bring rocks with them, they can even create moon rocks!

just move away when you see a shadow on you. =)

^ this.

 

Also, if you're using too much flint for pickaxes, shovels, and axes, try making them using gold instead. Gold is renewable. You can get gold from the Pig King. But you need to give him something in exchange. The same thing you give his pigmen to befriend them.

 

If you haven't tried yet, try feeding pigmen different kinds of food.

 

By the way, if you want to separate the game difficulty debate from the actual playing tips, you can start a new topic for your DST non-spoilery questions.

[krandi]

By the way, if you want to separate the game difficulty debate from the actual playing tips, you can start a new topic for your DST non-spoilery questions.

 

Jep. I will do this, if I have any further questions. Thanks to all for your answers. It was very helpful.