Spreken Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 made a trip into the caves level one in the DLC and I started to freeze inside because winter was starting. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I'll tell you that even I did not know but I like it because it adds realism Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423567 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeetle Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 yep, intentional. and it's hotter in the summer and wetter in the spring. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423595 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumina Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I'll tell you that even I did not know but I like it because it adds realism Not "realism". In reality, Caves are often warmer in the winter and cooler in summer. It's why there are good place for animals. But it's a game, so gameplay is more important than realism. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423597 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 So now caves are cold if it's winter and hot if it's summer? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423642 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaki Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 It was intentional, so it prevents people from camping near caves or spending all the winter/spring/summer inside it.Weird.Before Reign of Giants caves were considered unhabitable and dangerous, after the RoG everyone wants to hide there. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423691 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeetle Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 So now caves are cold if it's winter and hot if it's summer?Correct. Hotter in summer, wetter in Spring, colder in Winter, and autumner in Autumn. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423692 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Correct. Hotter in summer, wetter in Spring, colder in Winter, and autumner in Autumn.Wetter? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423693 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeetle Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Wetter? In Spring, it's always raining/leaking in the caves. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423694 Share on other sites More sharing options...
DwerBomb Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 In Spring, it's always raining/leaking in the caves.Only in caves or in ruins too? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423696 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeetle Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Only in caves or in ruins too?I didn't go that far, but it wouldn't surprise me if that was the case. On the other hand, it'd be nice to have a little break from the harshness if you got that far down. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423698 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezecib Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 It was intentional, so it prevents people from camping near caves or spending all the winter/spring/summer inside it.Weird.Before Reign of Giants caves were considered unhabitable and dangerous, after the RoG everyone wants to hide there. Not really... In my long-running saves I've often made a base in the caves. You can even farm down there, and you can ignore winter entirely. WIth the tam-o-shanter, it was safer than being aboveground, especially because rock lobsters are such good minions and you get rocks to feed them for free. I'm not sure how I feel about the change, though. People have been saying the season's weather is slightly less intense in the caves, but still present. This pretty much removes any reason to inhabit the caves, because although you'll be spending less time and fewer resources on coping with the weather, you'll have to go aboveground to gather some things anyway (like ice), and I don't think "slightly less weather" is really worth the tradeoff of living in a cave (dealing with darkness and depths worms). I think maybe a better mechanic would be to have seasons delayed in the caves-- if you start in autumn and it becomes winter on day 21, maybe winter wouldn't start in the caves until day 26. That way there'd still be a reason to live in the caves, but it wouldn't be a complete escape from the seasons. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423701 Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbeetle Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Not really... In my long-running saves I've often made a base in the caves. You can even farm down there, and you can ignore winter entirely. WIth the tam-o-shanter, it was safer than being aboveground, especially because rock lobsters are such good minions and you get rocks to feed them for free. I'm not sure how I feel about the change, though. People have been saying the season's weather is slightly less intense in the caves, but still present. This pretty much removes any reason to inhabit the caves, because although you'll be spending less time and fewer resources on coping with the weather, you'll have to go aboveground to gather some things anyway (like ice), and I don't think "slightly less weather" is really worth the tradeoff of living in a cave (dealing with darkness and depths worms). I think maybe a better mechanic would be to have seasons delayed in the caves-- if you start in autumn and it becomes winter on day 21, maybe winter wouldn't start in the caves until day 26. That way there'd still be a reason to live in the caves, but it wouldn't be a complete escape from the seasons.it's worse in caves, "not slightly less," just saying. and I agree with your reasoning, but the tradeoff of leaving the caves as they are is being able to completely avoid the overworld weather, and the devs wanted that to happen less than they wanted the caves to be avoided by less prepared players. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423703 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezecib Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Well, as I see it there's no reason to go to the caves themselves, except to collect some items that aren't really that useful (glowberry, slurtle slime, slurtle/snurtle armors). It's just a barrier to entering the ruins. For me the only reason to go to the caves was to shelter from winter. So... now there's no reason at all? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423729 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummbar7 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Unless the rumored tesla trees require ruins items. MAD SCIENCE! Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423764 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lumina Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 People have been saying the season's weather is slightly less intense in the caves, but still present. It is not currently the case, weather is as intense as outside in cave.But i've made a suggestion here : http://forums.kleientertainment.com/topic/32141-cave-and-wintersummer/ For having less effect (and not "none") of weather in cave. I don't see how caves can keep interest with their dangers AND the weather. And i find sad that you must use the funniest seasons (as autumn) to explore cave when it was a good way to make winter more dynamic before. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423772 Share on other sites More sharing options...
rezecib Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 Unless the rumored tesla trees require ruins items. MAD SCIENCE!Well, there are still reasons to go to ruins. But it seems like a tremendous waste to have caves just be a barrier to getting at ruins. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423783 Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummbar7 Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 It seems like a tremendous waste to have caves just be a barrier to getting at ruinTrue. Bunny hutches still worth it at least I suppose. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423787 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gangreneday Posted March 4, 2014 Share Posted March 4, 2014 I think adding seasonal weather to the caves eliminates a strategic path for players. The caves are hard as is and going into them isn't an easy decision. Making the seasons harsher encourages players to go into the caves without forcing them.I like the idea of having multiple strategies for dealing with weather rather than fighting it. Having the option of Fight or Flight is a realistic decision that survivors have to deal with. Plus it just makes more sense if the weather doesn't effect underground. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-423812 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaki Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Sacrifacing realism for gameplay purposes is bad but common thing in game development. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-424239 Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillPwn4Food Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Just please explain to me how I'm supposed to stay warm during winter/dry during spring/cool during summer, sane, and well lit, while still battling (both armor and a weapon) monsters down there. It comes down to one item maintaining sanity, another maintaining light, and the last maintaing heat, dryness, or coolness. I know you have to swap around anyway (headlamp, armor, weapon for fights; backpack, lantern, Tam-O-Shanter for exploring), but adding one more item you have to wear/hold to keep you alive is ridiculous. This seasonal effect on caves needs to be lessened or it will be impossible down there Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-424312 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Misaki Posted March 5, 2014 Share Posted March 5, 2014 Just please explain to me how I'm supposed to stay warm during winter/dry during spring/cool during summer, sane, and well lit, while still battling (both armor and a weapon) monsters down there. It comes down to one item maintaining sanity, another maintaining light, and the last maintaing heat, dryness, or coolness. I know you have to swap around anyway (headlamp, armor, weapon for fights; backpack, lantern, Tam-O-Shanter for exploring), but adding one more item you have to wear/hold to keep you alive is ridiculous. This seasonal effect on caves needs to be lessened or it will be impossible down thereBe advised, it is still beta.We already suggested that freeze/heat in caves ruins realism, Klei is probably gonna fix it by making caves cold but not as cold as overworld and during summer hot but not as hot as in overworld. Ruins will probably be as they are now, because they are very deep. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-424353 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestarver Posted March 8, 2014 Share Posted March 8, 2014 Nope it should be warm in caves do you even know about it? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-426327 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Annymosa Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Nope it should be warm in caves do you even know about it?Have you been inside a cave? There's little heat coming from the sun, and the caves are quite chilly. During the winter, however, there is no snow inside so they can function as a safe place to heat up and dry. Once a cave is heated up it will hold the temperature well, especially if you heat up the stone, the cave is small and air doesn't leak a lot. I guess it would make sense for the DS caves to be cooler during the summer and not so cold in the winter. That way, it could definitely be helpful for shelter from the weather. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-427202 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lestarver Posted March 9, 2014 Share Posted March 9, 2014 Do you even know about it? dude it should be warm in caves Thats how huskies survive in that cold in there just by sleeping inside snow Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/32235-cold-in-caves/#findComment-427233 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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