The WARBOT and the celestial scion are terrible boss fights.

[Hi.]

Both fights have mechanics that are way too unforgiving, the heat seeking missiles are very unforgiving but IMO im not as bothered by them as some people are, it sucks that most people just use the gloomerang to "cheese" most of the fight. The celestial sicon would've been 10x better if the tiles on the ground disappeared after a bit, that's my only complaint for the scion.

 

Idk tho maybe im just bad at the game. (to be fair I did do this fight as wanda)

[Captain_Rage]

Both are extremely obnoxious (missile spam and having the arena blanketed with electricity) in the way it is impossible to know that you have to execute a specific maneuver which can only be figured out by trial and error and dying over and over again just to stand a chance. Having your character die to a mechanism that you can't tell how it works, how to avoid or predict the first few times is very anticlimactic. Once you KNOW EXACTLY how the fight plays out is can even be fun, arguably, but until then it is simply stupid. Agreed.

[linabagel]

TBH, I personally think the battle design of the "Final boss" is quite good. It has a unique combat mechanism and offers a solvable solution; Unlike bosses like Nightmare Werepig or Armored Bearger, its attack methods can be avoided by players through various means. rather than relying solely on movement to avoid damage. Get Dwarf Star and Thermal Stone ready、 destroy the little robot、 hide behind WARBOT's legs and so on. all remind me of the battles with WF, full of interactivity.Not to mention that most players already have the Bone Helm, Bone Armor, Brightshade/Void series of equipment, I think this resource consumption is reasonable for later bosses. 

The only thing that disappointed me was that I couldn't use Chilled Amulet to evade the robot's reconnaissance, as I did with Fire Staff when fighting Crystal Deerclops. It is hoped that KL can once again see the potential value of these magic items in subsequent updates.

 

[Jakepeng99]

2 hours ago, Hi. said:

Both fights have mechanics that are way too unforgiving, the heat seeking missiles are very unforgiving but IMO im not as bothered by them as some people are, it sucks that most people just use the gloomerang to "cheese" most of the fight. The celestial sicon would've been 10x better if the tiles on the ground disappeared after a bit, that's my only complaint for the scion.

 

Idk tho maybe im just bad at the game. (to be fair I did do this fight as wanda)

Honestly the gloomerang I think is a bad design weapon it’s too ovsrpowering

[Maxil20]

6 hours ago, Hi. said:

it sucks that most people just use the gloomerang to "cheese" most of the fight.

WARBOT/Scion are perfectly doable with melee as well as ranged options. I don’t really see the issue here. You can be more aggressive and end the battle quicker with melee options (heck, one of them even heals you each hit!), or use ranged for safer play while taking longer to kill the boss (which is especially an issue for scion, where extending the fight will start to cost you quite heavily). Heck, both WARBOT and Scion have moves to actively encourage a ranged player to stay moving to dodge the attacks.

I think the only time I felt obligated to use a ranged option was during the supernova move in order to do extra damage while I was hiding behind cover. Otherwise, there are pretty reasonable methods to amply attack both bosses (WARBIS for the speed up + protection comes to mind along with your respective rift headpiece).

[SpookyXy]

Neither seem more unforgiving than Fuelweaver and they're a tier higher than him.

[Hi.]

9 hours ago, Captain_Rage said:

Both are extremely obnoxious (missile spam and having the arena blanketed with electricity) in the way it is impossible to know that you have to execute a specific maneuver which can only be figured out by trial and error and dying over and over again just to stand a chance. Having your character die to a mechanism that you can't tell how it works, how to avoid or predict the first few times is very anticlimactic. Once you KNOW EXACTLY how the fight plays out is can even be fun, arguably, but until then it is simply stupid. Agreed.

This is exactly what i'm talking about. It was kinda fun but I was playing as wanda so I still easily got killed. Im sure If I was any other character I would probably enjoy the fight a bit more.

[WendyHater9000]

15 hours ago, Hi. said:

This is exactly what i'm talking about. It was kinda fun but I was playing as wanda so I still easily got killed. Im sure If I was any other character I would probably enjoy the fight a bit more.

Isn’t wanda as same as other characters with 150 health?

The only difference is that you can’t face tank low temperature, super nova and lunar burn, which is the characteristic of Wanda.

Maybe try not to call a boss fight terrible just because your main character is bad at it?

Heat seeking missiles are not even unforgiving as shadow hand from the lower tier boss called fuel weaver btw 

[Catuna_]

16 hours ago, Hi. said:

This is exactly what i'm talking about. It was kinda fun but I was playing as wanda so I still easily got killed. Im sure If I was any other character I would probably enjoy the fight a bit more.

Since Wanda's damage multiplier doesn't scale well with planar damage and planar entity defense you could just play young or middle aged. 

[Cruvimaster]

It's easy to tell that someone has never played Wanda just by her comment. 

[Capybara007]

celestial champion is my favourite boss but it did undoable damage to the way people see how a boss must be

If fuelweaver released today, people would complain about the imposible bone cage, toadstool, imposible mushroom trees, bee queen, imposible swarm, dragonfly, imposible kiting

[Crimson Hollow]

1 wanda has a reputation of being particularly bad at dealing with tick damage like burning, freezing, starvation and this electricity blanket on the ground. at least she has teleport, which could come in handy especially in scion fight.

2 i really hate the never disappearing electricity blanket celestial scion creates, its like forcing you to race against time and if you mess up once theres NO way to remedy it.

 

[cybers2001]

The missiles are completely countered now with just a single crystaleyezer. At this point it feels almost like the missile mechanic was introduced just to make people use it.

6 hours ago, Capybara007 said:

If fuelweaver released today, people would complain about the imposible bone cage, toadstool, imposible mushroom trees, bee queen, imposible swarm, dragonfly, imposible kiting

I've seen fuelweaver complaint threads as recent as last year, man. wdym? I used to limit my interactions with FW to just playing as Wanda in spring with volt-goat jelly. I'm just glad now that some of the new post-rift items and skill trees have allowed for some fun diversity approaching the fight.

On 8/7/2025 at 1:10 AM, Captain_Rage said:

Both are extremely obnoxious (missile spam and having the arena blanketed with electricity) in the way it is impossible to know that you have to execute a specific maneuver which can only be figured out by trial and error and dying over and over again just to stand a chance. Having your character die to a mechanism that you can't tell how it works, how to avoid or predict the first few times is very anticlimactic. Once you KNOW EXACTLY how the fight plays out is can even be fun, arguably, but until then it is simply stupid. Agreed.

This is why we need some sort of organic means to trigger rollbacks without resorting to admin tools. Bosses like these don't make sense in a game where there's supposed to be consequences for dying.

Edited August 8, 2025 by cybers2001

[Baark0]

The biggest issue I have with the fight is how the electricity floor doesn't despawn, even though every other terrain related boss effect does disappear eventually. If the cone was smaller and/or had an indicator of where it would spread, it might be a little better, but I still think the best solution is to just have it despawn after 30 seconds-1 minute.

The missiles aren't a very engaging mechanic either, the only real way to deal with them is to simply prevent them from locking onto you in the first place. There's potential for an interesting mechanic here, but in execution it basically boils down to spamming thermals and stars, or tanking freeze damage, neither of which is a super fun or satisfying way to go about things. Maybe the giant death beams Warbot summons could leave a large frost cloud around where it spawned, and if you stood inside it the missiles wouldn't be able to detect you.

It'd also be nice if the jewels had some other use, as currently the only reason to refight the boss is to get jewels for other players, or to get parts for the spinny things, but those guys kinda seem like they suck, so I wouldn't even count that. 

[grem6]

1 hour ago, Baark0 said:

The missiles aren't a very engaging mechanic either, the only real way to deal with them is to simply prevent them from locking onto you in the first place. There's potential for an interesting mechanic here, but in execution it basically boils down to spamming thermals and stars, or tanking freeze damage, neither of which is a super fun or satisfying way to go about things. Maybe the giant death beams Warbot summons could leave a large frost cloud around where it spawned, and if you stood inside it the missiles wouldn't be able to detect you.

you also can use beefalos or other creatures such as merms as meat shields for missiles by only lowering your temperature slightly, or run away during the 2 big missile phases for it to stop and only deal with the single barrages past 25% hp, or you could burn trees/twigs/whatever else around, or you could use bone armor, or you could just use marble/night armor to take 3.75 dmg per missile, or you could use i frame from wortox's soul hop etc.

i don't see how would replacing this interesting mechanic with many viable solutions with a "stand where beam was to counter the attack effortlessly and easily", which, even if existing solutions would stay, would obviously become the cheapest and easiest solution and also be way less interesting to plan around or even pull off compared to e.g. igniting things with fire staff

[Cruvimaster]

On 8/7/2025 at 4:17 AM, Hi. said:

Idk tho maybe im just bad at the game. (to be fair I did do this fight as wanda)

I love the new bosses. I've already done this fight with Wanda, Wes, Wilson, Maxwell, and Wigfrid.

With Wilson, the fights are safe once you learn the bosses' movesets (the Scion can still make you lose the fight). With Wigfrid, it's easy. I repeat: once you learn the bosses' patterns.

Wanda was the worst overall. I had to leave her at middle age. The result was that she was dealing less damage than Wilson using the same set of attack and defense items. To make matters worse, she deals less damage than Wilson and doesn't have the benefit of the food healing system (which is very OP in this game). Wanda is strongly weak to elemental damage (cold, heat, electric, etc.), and this has a greater impact against the Scion. Even with Wes only having 75 health, I could take electric damage and heal him with pierogies. With Wanda, it's death.

Wes, on the other hand, has a relatively risk-free fight against WARBOT. However, his low damage output significantly affects Scion. When he ate a Volt Goat Chaud-Froid (Wes's damage output was equal to Wilson's), the fight became possible.

However, I've faced Wanda's boss several times (since I play as her). So it's possible. But you'll find peace of mind and safety in the fight with Wigfrid or Wolfgang.

Wes:
 

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[cybers2001]

27 minutes ago, Cruvimaster said:

Wes:
 

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I see that cheeky clip edit at 5:32

[Cruvimaster]

3 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

I see that cheeky clip edit at 5:32

Yes, when it was time to pass to YT was crashing and a user commented on that. I had to cut the video so as not to post again.

 

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Edited August 8, 2025 by Cruvimaster

[lowercase skye]

12 hours ago, Capybara007 said:

if fuelweaver released today, people would complain about the imposible bone cage, toadstool, imposible mushroom trees, bee queen, imposible swarm, dragonfly, imposible kiting

All of these things happened. The Toadstool we have now was heavily nerfed after like a week.

[cybers2001]

17 minutes ago, lowercase skye said:

All of these things happened. The Toadstool we have now was heavily nerfed after like a week.

Toadstool was so ass, lol. You had to basically fight misery toadstool every time you wanted toad skin, and there was no napsack recipe, so you couldn't even dupe, and then when you had glowcaps, the spores only lasted like, what, 30 days?

Sometimes the devs are wrong

Edited August 8, 2025 by cybers2001

[Capybara007]

point still stands, scion is an easy boss, i did it after 8 tries, fuelweaver with no weather pain or dfly with no panflute are way harder bosses

making it so the tiles go away after 30 seconds would ruin the boss

[wormwood123]

On 8/7/2025 at 8:17 AM, Hi. said:

Both fights have mechanics that are way too unforgiving, the heat seeking missiles are very unforgiving but IMO im not as bothered by them as some people are, it sucks that most people just use the gloomerang to "cheese" most of the fight. The celestial sicon would've been 10x better if the tiles on the ground disappeared after a bit, that's my only complaint for the scion.

 

Idk tho maybe im just bad at the game. (to be fair I did do this fight as wanda)

I’ve done this fight many times as Wilson and I have to say once you know your preferred strategy WARBOT is a lot of fun it’s probably my favourite (but don’t tell my friend I said that) 

scion I also enjoy and is a lot less expensive to fight as I just need a lazy explorer and even then I don’t need that. 
I think that WARBOT and scion offer the challenge that all the bosses did for my first few hundred hours and I really enjoy that.

So if you struggle with them keep at it until you can beat them and although the reward isn’t that great atleast it’s a fun challenge 

[cybers2001]

Just now, Capybara007 said:

point still stands, scion is an easy boss, i did it after 8 tries, fuelweaver with no weather pain or dfly with no panflute are way harder bosses

making it so the tiles go away after 30 seconds would ruin the boss

With no rollbacks or console commands?

[Cruvimaster]

2 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

With no rollbacks or console commands?

WARBOT is very consistent once you learn the moves. The chance of losing to him is very low.

Scion's biggest challenge is the amount of damage he takes (for solo players). Wes is terrible, Wilson is somewhere in the middle, with a certain degree of risk. With Wigfrid, you're unlikely to lose the fight.

In my perception, AFW is still the hardest boss in this game.

 

[Evelo]

In a vacuum the boss fights are both fine. I think the major issue is the combat system of Don't Starve is not built for this kind of MMO style combat. The combat in dst is literally just "attack" and "don't attack" with a few exceptions (Walter and Willow's skill tree abilities are the obvious ones). The lack of abilities, cast times, etc outside of item swapping are non-existant. The scion fight in particular is very MMO like and absolutely not a problem as it is about positioning the choreographed attacks first and foremost.

If DST wants to be a Terraria, it needs to change the way combat works, like how Terraria has a significantly more movement options with grapple hooks, wings, platforms, dashes, etc. all of which are passive for the most part and do not require the player to change items constantly. However, I personally believe DST needs to go back to its roots and focus on survival, no more bosses unless they are predators that attack the helpless survivor rather than waiting to be attacked.