RexySeven Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 Alright killing rabbits to get food is punished, tree cutting is punished, killing animals in general is punished. Time to step up the punish, 1. Butterfly boss that spawns after killing butterflies to punish player for relaying too much on killing innocent butterflies that cannot even attack back. 2. Moleworm boss that punishes you for relaying too much on moleworm farms. 3. Rock King boss that spawns after you mined too much rock. 4. Bee bo... alright yeah, we already have that; but she now randomly spawns by just killing bees or taking honey from bee boxes. 5. Catcoon boss to punish you for trying to get easy meat from catcoon. 6. Famine Ghost boss - boss that spawns if you keep your tummy full for long to punish eating too much. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waywarbler Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 A papa krampus that punishes you for killing too many krampi. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1825978 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 Imo, rabbit king for new players is overtuned. Too much HP, too many minions. Drops are mediocre at best. His best use is trades but that's pretty much all. Should scale down health as well as minion damage perhaps, or just killing too many to get the king should be slightly higher bar to reach. 15 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1825983 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny_Waffles Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 8 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Imo, rabbit king for new players is overtuned. Too much HP, too many minions. Drops are mediocre at best. His best use is trades but that's pretty much all. Should scale down health as well as minion damage perhaps, or just killing too many to get the king should be slightly higher bar to reach. Also let him unagro, It so annoying in the caves when your a monster character for him to fall from an earthquake then just chase you until you kill him or you die. And it's especially annoying if your fighting a boss or in the ruins 8 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1825984 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 3 hours ago, RexySeven said: Alright killing rabbits to get food is punished, tree cutting is punished, killing animals in general is punished. Time to step up the punish, 1. Butterfly boss that spawns after killing butterflies to punish player for relaying too much on killing innocent butterflies that cannot even attack back. 2. Moleworm boss that punishes you for relaying too much on moleworm farms. 3. Rock King boss that spawns after you mined too much rock. 4. Bee bo... alright yeah, we already have that; but she now randomly spawns by just killing bees or taking honey from bee boxes. 5. Catcoon boss to punish you for trying to get easy meat from catcoon. 6. Famine Ghost boss - boss that spawns if you keep your tummy full for long to punish eating too much. Krampus. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1825996 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiyss Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 2 hours ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Imo, rabbit king for new players is overtuned. Too much HP, too many minions. Drops are mediocre at best. His best use is trades but that's pretty much all. Should scale down health as well as minion damage perhaps, or just killing too many to get the king should be slightly higher bar to reach. He's not that hard. We don't need to nerf him. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826000 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexySeven Posted July 7, 2025 Author Share Posted July 7, 2025 1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said: Krampus. iirc people are currently as angry at bunny king as they were at krampus when he was released. 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826001 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jakepeng99 Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 1 hour ago, RexySeven said: iirc people are currently as angry at bunny king as they were at krampus when he was released. Krampus got overnerfed he just needed ti deplete overtime. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826017 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GimplyGoose Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 8 hours ago, Johnny_Waffles said: Also let him unagro, It so annoying in the caves when your a monster character for him to fall from an earthquake then just chase you until you kill him or you die. And it's especially annoying if your fighting a boss or in the ruins Monster characters don't upset the rabbit king anymore. Only having meat in your inventory does. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826049 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybers2001 Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 6 hours ago, RexySeven said: iirc people are currently as angry at bunny king as they were at krampus when he was released. Not really comparable, though. Krampus is completely avoidable if you listen for the warning hiss. 3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826051 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 8 hours ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Imo, rabbit king for new players is overtuned. Too much HP, too many minions. Drops are mediocre at best. His best use is trades but that's pretty much all. Should scale down health as well as minion damage perhaps, or just killing too many to get the king should be slightly higher bar to reach. You do not even have to kill rabbits to get the evil Chuck Norris bunny, all you have to do is shove 10 carrots down into a rabbit hole while also carrying pigskin or meat on you at the time. now maybe on PC this feels super obscure, but over on Xbox we quite literally have a command prompt to “give” carrots to a Rabbit hole. And what is a new player going to do? Oh yeah they’re going to think “here bunny bunny.. come on out here’s a nice carrot for you to chew on.” Its a Noob Trap from hell… and Maaaaayyyyybbbe I’m a bit too suspicious but I’m beginning to think that some of the “Uncompromising Mod” Mod Team (the folks who wanted to tune the game to be much harder) slipped through and got on to the games actual Development Team: And Maybe just maybe they’ve been creating “early game” challenges that in all honesty can be at times more difficult then even content that’s intended for “End Game” I have no problem fighting Undead Clops or Bearger they will eventually drop aggro and go away, But an Early game Chuck Norris rabbit who chases you relentlessly and has endlessly spawning bodyguards? It’s a bit much. If Klei wants my opinion on how to tune it, since it’s intended to be early game content: reduce the body guards down to a max limit (like 6 maybe) only allow TWO to spawn at a time, then once they’re cleared out: The player can focus on a 1v1 fight with Chuck Norris rabbit. That- Or significantly lower their HP & Damage so it actually feels like content you can accidentally stumble upon on day 1 by giving a rabbit hole 10 carrots. 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826052 Share on other sites More sharing options...
lowercase skye Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said: and Maaaaayyyyybbbe I’m a bit too suspicious but I’m beginning to think that some of the “Uncompromising Mod” Mod Team (the folks who wanted to tune the game to be much harder) slipped through and got on to the games actual Development Team: And Maybe just maybe they’ve been creating “early game” challenges that in all honesty can be at times more difficult then even content that’s intended for “End Game” This didn't happen. 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826053 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamePlayer42 Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 7 hours ago, astareus said: He's not that hard. We don't need to nerf him. new players would struggle alot against him and the drops arent even worth the trouble 6 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826063 Share on other sites More sharing options...
gaymime Posted July 7, 2025 Share Posted July 7, 2025 14 hours ago, RexySeven said: 5. Catcoon boss to punish you for trying to get easy meat from catcoon. i play wes x'''D catcoon already punishes me pretty good 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826068 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 18 hours ago, astareus said: He's not that hard. We don't need to nerf him. It's not him that's that hard, it's his minions. He needs a nerf to chip off either his damage, his minions or his health imo. Or at least not be an early game threat too much. 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826099 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uedo Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 15 hours ago, lowercase skye said: This didn't happen. It helps him justify why he complains, let him get it out or it'll be more posts about islands, new biomes and catmando. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826106 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiyss Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 (edited) 15 hours ago, GamePlayer42 said: new players would struggle alot against him and the drops arent even worth the trouble negative, I played with my friend last week that has no idea how kiting works, and he was playing as wortox, he just tanked him and killed him, even realising all by himself that you had to dodge to stun him. This idea that this particular boss is too hard is absolutely insane. Edited July 8, 2025 by astareus Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826119 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maxil20 Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 IMO the only real change I want for the rabbit king is for it’s mechanic to spawn it to naturally decrease overtime (it doesn’t need to be 1 per minute like krampus, but I at least want it to be 1-2 a day minimum) and also not be a global counter (instead being a local one). It still feels weird that player A can kill 28 rabbits and be perfectly fine, and then player B can kill 1 50 days later and have a rabbit king on their hands. (Maybe in doing so they could also fix the oversight where naughtiness isn’t saved, so logging out/swapping shards both resets the counter to 0 and randomizes the threshold again) 2 1 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826121 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovens Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 23 hours ago, RexySeven said: iirc people are currently as angry at bunny king as they were at krampus when he was released. Naughtiness depletes if you stop killing innocent creatures. Rabbit kill meter never depletes, only goes up, and even increases when you kill hostile masqued bunnymen which are not innocent creatures at all. And Rabbit King can fall on you from the earthquake in the form of innocent looking rabbit and immediately turn on you just for carrying meat even if you didn't kill any rabbits yourself. It's ridiculous. 4 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826123 Share on other sites More sharing options...
GamePlayer42 Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 (edited) 59 minutes ago, astareus said: negative, I played with my friend last week that has no idea how kiting works, and he was playing as wortox, he just tanked him and killed him, even realising all by himself that you had to dodge to stun him. This idea that this particular boss is too hard is absolutely insane. most non-raid bosses are tankable if u have the armor and healing neccessary so i dont get your point, the stage and certain places you can encounter the rabbit king make it wildly inconvenient to fight let alone tank, especially given the minions Edited July 8, 2025 by GamePlayer42 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826126 Share on other sites More sharing options...
RexySeven Posted July 8, 2025 Author Share Posted July 8, 2025 39 minutes ago, Lovens said: Rabbit kill meter never depletes, only goes up Lol, I didn't know that, this is legit huge bs. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826127 Share on other sites More sharing options...
cybers2001 Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 40 minutes ago, Lovens said: Naughtiness depletes if you stop killing innocent creatures. Rabbit kill meter never depletes, only goes up, and even increases when you kill hostile masqued bunnymen which are not innocent creatures at all. Didn’t they patch it so masqued bunnymen no longer counted? Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826128 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lovens Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 47 minutes ago, cybers2001 said: Didn’t they patch it so masqued bunnymen no longer counted? Oh I don't know, haven't interacted with the shadow rift content in a long while. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826138 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Semind Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 1 hour ago, cybers2001 said: Didn’t they patch it so masqued bunnymen no longer counted? June 5th patch 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826151 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Evelo Posted July 8, 2025 Share Posted July 8, 2025 I'm all for adding more challenge, just make it yknow, doable. Getting an Angry Rabbit King on day 2 can be extremely brutal, especially since the rabbit king never de-aggros. Running away should be a viable option. (See Bearger) 4 2 Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/166869-game-punishing-you-for-surviving/#findComment-1826158 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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