[Game Update] - 645651

[cyjs]

2 minutes ago, arubaro said:

I do play wendy for that i dont want her to be ruined by a bunch of people who dont want to play the game

Good morning Mr. Arubaro, you are starting again

[Lee lol]

2 minutes ago, arubaro said:

I do play wendy for that i dont want her to be ruined by a bunch of people who dont want to play the game

You just need to tell me IF you have using Wendy to defeat all the post-rift bosses, while keeping abi alive OR NOT.

The skill tree should allow the character to better adapt to the post-rift version, not just increase their damage in front of the rift.

If you don't agree with that, there is no need for further discuss.

[Peasant]

2 minutes ago, Lee lol said:

You just need to tell me IF you have using Wendy to defeat all the post-rift bosses, while keeping abi alive OR NOT.

The skill tree should allow the character to better adapt to the post-rift version, not just increase their damage in front of the rift.

If you don't agree with that, there is no need for further discuss.

You can't expect much from someone who believes dragonpie is op, just show some tolerance

[Koomin]

1 minute ago, Fitzee said:

I understand that Gestalt Abigail and Shadow Abigail are meant to be opposites: while the former is meant to have high survivability and low maintenance at the cost of less damage, the latter is meant to have low survivability and high maintenance at the cost of more damage.

Agreed completely conceptually - just think that early game the damage is a bit too much currently.  I'm down for any changes that keep to the theme of what you said above that include weakening shadow Abigail pre-rift and strengthening it post rift.

[arubaro]

15 minutes ago, YXukun said:

You can't expect much from someone who believes dragonpie is op, just show some tolerance

When i said that? I never use dragon pie lol

So sad, you dont even know how to atack. How can we expect good feedback from you all

Edited December 7, 2024 by arubaro

[aidankocherhans]

5 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

But why go with the naughty inclination at that point? Naughty already comes with a downside of negating sanity from released souls, correct?

You can eat souls without penalty and hold a ton of them, that's really good, with souls spike you can basically get infinite food for little effort

2 hours ago, Lee lol said:

i definitely believe you are the one who don't deserve to win, btw, since you don't play Wendy i guess it's ok for you. Also, try to do some field research when giving your opinion, rather than saying something that makes people laugh at first glance

Please don't bring back the stupid "you're not a Wendy main" argument, you don't know that and it doesn't matter anyway

[djturner]

2 hours ago, Fitzee said:

I mean sure, Shadow Abigail would still do a lot of damage, but she doesn't have any built-in survivability of her own, and at least more of her damage could go through post rift, which would solve her fall-off issue in her current state. 

I understand that Gestalt Abigail and Shadow Abigail are meant to be opposites: while the former is meant to have high survivability and low maintenance at the cost of less damage, the latter is meant to have low survivability and high maintenance at the cost of more damage. Even normal Abigail works this way: you keep her alive via tanking for her, kiting with her and using elixirs, you're awarded with more damage; Shadow Abigail simply doubles down on said playstyle. 

This is it. If you enjoy the Wendy/Abi playstyle as it's been, where (unless you're breaking the game with Warly food and animation exploit) you have to micromanage Abigail's positioning, kiting, dismissing when necessary, healing pots, etc, that's Shadow Abigail. It even goes further and says "on top of all that, manage this 8 second buff by sacrificing things from your inventory." Lunar Abigail offers the player who finds that overwhelming an easy to play, "set it and forget it" alternative, only requiring some health pots at the most to keep in the fight and even protected from one shot deaths.

There is no world where, given those designs, Lunar Abigail should have damage on par with or even altogether close to Shadow Abigail. It's still enticing because it distills Abigail down to a more streamlined, easy to manage companion.

[Dingle]

5 hours ago, Bumber64 said:

But why go with the naughty inclination at that point? Naughty already comes with a downside of negating sanity from released souls, correct?

It might be better to just get what you want out of naughty branch, then take just enough nice skills to reach neutral. You'll lose sanity from eating souls, but will gain that back plus un-nerfed healing for releasing them.

You just have to give up soul decoy, of course. But you get reverb and capricious movement.

Experienced Wortox players should just avoid Naughty at this point, as long as they're playing with others. Twintailed heart teleport pushes you towards 6-7 7-8 1 builds (1 for the lunar or shadow affinity) anyway.

I was right on the border of just ignoring the nice and naughty inclinations right before this. This hotfix just makes the decision really easy.

For solo, you just kind of stumble into naughty because theres no other builds that make sense. My main criticism of the Wortox update is that the build design is really stifling.

29 minutes ago, aidankocherhans said:

You can eat souls without penalty and hold a ton of them, that's really good, with souls spike you can basically get infinite food for little effort

Please don't bring back the stupid "you're not a Wendy main" argument, you don't know that and it doesn't matter anyway

You can still get Overwhelming Greed without the inclination. The lack of sanity management from souls hurts. Eating souls not taking 5 sanity isn't this amazing thing if you were playing Wortox pre-beta.

[bransonb]

I feel like 4 mourning glory for 1 revived butterfly is a little pricey.  When you collect a butterfly, it takes 10% of a net, which is 2 silk and some easy supplies.  That's 1/5th of a silk per butterfly.  And sure, mourning glory is easier to get now with some other skill tree perks, but if anyone can get the materials for a bunch of bug nets easily, it's Wendy.  I think access to living butterflies is really neat - particularly as murder fuel for the shadow affinity, but I don't see any scenarios where I wouldn't rather get 4 sticks, a rope, and two silk just to get 10 whole butterflies.  That's the equivalent of 40 mourning glory, which would be at minimum two pipsooks.  I could see an argument for it, if it allowed you to get butterflies in winter or something, but you can't get the butterfly wings in winter either, so that's out.  It's a neat idea, and I really like it, but I just don't think I'd ever decide to farm excess mourning glory over just getting a bug net.  I'm hoping this is just one of the things where you tune it a little low because people are more receptive to it being buffed than nerfed.

Gestalt Abigail feels like it's really just a vehicle for the Vex effect now.  Which, I get that was the idea, but I don't know if I can see myself giving up farming monster swarms for it.  But not every skill tree perk needs to be for everyone, so it is what it is.

[Dingle]

14 minutes ago, bransonb said:

I feel like 4 mourning glory for 1 revived butterfly is a little pricey.  When you collect a butterfly, it takes 10% of a net, which is 2 silk and some easy supplies.  That's 1/5th of a silk per butterfly.  And sure, mourning glory is easier to get now with some other skill tree perks, but if anyone can get the materials for a bunch of bug nets easily, it's Wendy.  I think access to living butterflies is really neat - particularly as murder fuel for the shadow affinity, but I don't see any scenarios where I wouldn't rather get 4 sticks, a rope, and two silk just to get 10 whole butterflies.  That's the equivalent of 40 mourning glory, which would be at minimum two pipsooks.  I could see an argument for it, if it allowed you to get butterflies in winter or something, but you can't get the butterfly wings in winter either, so that's out.  It's a neat idea, and I really like it, but I just don't think I'd ever decide to farm excess mourning glory over just getting a bug net.  I'm hoping this is just one of the things where you tune it a little low because people are more receptive to it being buffed than nerfed.

Gestalt Abigail feels like it's really just a vehicle for the Vex effect now.  Which, I get that was the idea, but I don't know if I can see myself giving up farming monster swarms for it.  But not every skill tree perk needs to be for everyone, so it is what it is.

Gestalt abby still aoes when using the dash command. Not as strong for sure, but you don't have to give up farming swarms completely.

[CallinMash]

We NEED to condense the Wendy skill tree, Reduce the cost of mourning glory crafts and have, and possibly have the Sisturn or the Graves she decorates passively generate mourning glorys so she doesnt have to keep going on fetch quests to be up to par. Most importantly, Just condensing the skill tree in general so there isnt so much slack, some of the aspects in the skill trees should just be an update to wendy as a whole, such as haunting, the butterfly craft, and the decrease range to search for pipspooks would be my best guesses. Love that she has finally gotten a skill tree and some attention, but i pray we have more refining on hers as we see with walter and wortox. 

[bransonb]

9 minutes ago, Dingle said:

Gestalt abby still aoes when using the dash command. Not as strong for sure, but you don't have to give up farming swarms completely.

But isn't that just a single hit per dash, at 40 damage during night?  Like, sure, it could kill a bunny or something, but spiders, particularly spider warriors, are going to live.  I guess if I do a lot of kiting, I could make it work, and it's better than having no option for hunting swarms, but I just don't think it's worth the benefits that Gestalt Abigail provides, at least not to me.

[Sacco]

7 hours ago, arubaro said:

When i said that? I never use dragon pie lol

So sad, you dont even know how to atack. How can we expect good feedback from you all

As someone else did to me, they don't know how to defend themselves and start yapping about other things.

I was talking about wendy's balance and someone put in the argument maxwell from nowhere, the same happened with you bro, they add new things to the topic to make chaos and gaslight you.

What a sigma move i'd say.

Edited December 7, 2024 by Sacco

[Mr.Oshiro]

I am glad to see that my suggestion about Walter's attack speed bonus has been adopted, but I have a small request.
Change method: The Void Wrap should have two attack speed bonuses, allowing players to have a shooting interval of about 0.5 seconds. After Walter repeats shooting 4 and 9 times, the shadow magic effect will replace the white effect after the second acceleration, making the attack speed slightly faster than the current version.
Reason for change: Apart from attack speed, there is no significant difference between Void Wrap and Grip Tape. As a post rift item, it should have stronger abilities to allow players to fight against enemies behind the rift. Additionally, as a shadow item, it also needs to display magical energy to help players.

[Dingle]

31 minutes ago, bransonb said:

But isn't that just a single hit per dash, at 40 damage during night?  Like, sure, it could kill a bunny or something, but spiders, particularly spider warriors, are going to live.  I guess if I do a lot of kiting, I could make it work, and it's better than having no option for hunting swarms, but I just don't think it's worth the benefits that Gestalt Abigail provides, at least not to me.

I thought I saw it hit everything in a line now, but I could be wrong. I haven't tested her lunar stuff personally, just seen video. Shadow appeals more to me for how I play Wendy.

[Jakepeng99]

10 hours ago, KvetekSK said:

Does wendy have a good strategy or perk to deal with the planar mobs?
since the gestalt abi got nerfed

Brightshade sword.

[Mike23Ua]

5 hours ago, Dingle said:

Experienced Wortox players should just avoid Naughty at this point, as long as they're playing with others. Twintailed heart teleport pushes you towards 6-7 7-8 1 builds (1 for the lunar or shadow affinity) anyway.

I was right on the border of just ignoring the nice and naughty inclinations right before this. This hotfix just makes the decision really easy.

For solo, you just kind of stumble into naughty because theres no other builds that make sense. My main criticism of the Wortox update is that the build design is really stifling.

You can still get Overwhelming Greed without the inclination. The lack of sanity management from souls hurts. Eating souls not taking 5 sanity isn't this amazing thing if you were playing Wortox pre-beta.

Personally I think the “naughty” side should reward Wortox more healing from souls, not the “nice” side.. but that’s just me.

[Mysterious box]

1 hour ago, Mike23Ua said:

Personally I think the “naughty” side should reward Wortox more healing from souls, not the “nice” side.. but that’s just me.

Releasing souls gives default wortox sanity because letting them go is a kind act while eatting them loses him sanity because devouring souls is a evil act so I think it makes sense.

[directx]

Isn't the purpose of your redesigning characters to make future updates more challenging? Let's not even talk about future updates. Please, Mr. Jason, try to complete both main storylines using the current Wendy. She's really not strong enough to do much besides fighting spiders and bees.

[WenericMember]

2 questions if someone could check. 

1) whats Wendys current max dps compared to wolfgang, and probably more significantly, willow?

2) what is the cost of the grave and how does it differ from a meat effegy?

Edited December 8, 2024 by WenericMember

[Damlet.]

I guess that in the future, in Wickerbottom's skill tree, she can craft a single pile of ash using 4 pieces of papyrus and one log, since she was, and is, toooooo stroooonnnggg.

[CallinMash]

Can we please get a better detection system for Pipspooks? Something like a dotted line, or some glowing ghostly foot prints, would be perfect, and make the whole searching aspect much more fun and less tedious.

[Waywarbler]

4 hours ago, directx said:

Isn't the purpose of your redesigning characters to make future updates more challenging? Let's not even talk about future updates. Please, Mr. Jason, try to complete both main storylines using the current Wendy. She's really not strong enough to do much besides fighting spiders and bees.

That is just, a completely outrageous thing to say. She's absolutely capable of completing both the lunar and shadow routes of the game.

If you're saying she can't handle anything more than spiders WITH her skill tree, then she must have been completely unplayable before this beta.

[directx]

54 minutes ago, Waywarbler said:

这话说起来完全是离谱的。她绝对有能力完成游戏的月亮和暗影路线。

如果你说她只能用她的技能树处理蜘蛛，那么她在这个测试版之前一定是完全无法玩的。

The ability to complete something and being powerful are not the same. Did Wendy complete it effortlessly because she is very powerful? My experience tells me it was rather difficult. Does the power that Mr. Jason mentions simply refer to defeating spiders and bees?

 

Edited December 8, 2024 by directx

[Sapientis]

7 hours ago, WenericMember said:

2) what is the cost of the grave and how does it differ from a meat effegy?

I'd say it's pretty affordable! Unlike reviving Butterlfies *cough* *cough*

Also, the active one gives off a faint area of glowing light (other ones placed do not, sadly). You can Attune to one placed for 40 hp, the same how you can Attune to Meat Effigies.

Plus you have this cute little indicator (it's with Combined Status mod)

 

and this button when you die

And you crawl out of the ground upon using it.