Can we nerf Wolfgang some more?

[abrocator]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

because why else'd you ask for him to get changed?

OP FW runs on YouTube won’t stand.

To be honest I can’t remember when I saw a FW run on YouTube where I thought to myself that the player wouldn’t be skilled enough to also beat FW as Wilson.

[Balter]

2 minutes ago, grm9 said:

people that played as characters that became worse could start asking for other characters to become worse so that if they won't be playing the game, then at least no one else'll too

What do you not get about uncompromising survival? It’s never supposed to be an easy this game was praised for its difficultly, I’m merely pointing out a flaw.

3 minutes ago, abrocator said:

OP FW runs on YouTube won’t stand.

To be honest I can’t remember when I saw a FW run on YouTube where I thought to myself that the player wouldn’t be skilled enough to also beat FW as Wilson.

Bruv I’m kinda away from my computer but fine I’ll prove it as soon as I get to it.

[grm9]

3 minutes ago, Balter said:

What do you not get about uncompromising survival? It’s never supposed to be an easy this game was praised for its difficultly, I’m merely pointing out a flaw

you still didn't say how's that going to affect you or anyone except negatively

5 minutes ago, Balter said:

Bruv I’m kinda away from my computer but fine I’ll prove it as soon as I get to it

do FW on day 4 unseeded while at it, since everything's easy when playing as wolfgang

[Balter]

6 minutes ago, grm9 said:

you still didn't say how's that going to affect you or anyone except negatively

do FW on day 4 unseeded while at it, since everything's easy when playing as wolfgang

Hilarious, no I’m just doing the fight to prove how easy it is, setting everything up is way to long to prove an argument.

[Jakepeng99]

1 hour ago, _zwb said:

sorry we only do buffs here

Buff his sainity loss 

[grm9]

5 minutes ago, Balter said:

Hilarious, no I’m just doing the fight to prove how easy it is, setting everything up is way to long to prove an argument

4 days's literally just half an hour

13 minutes ago, grm9 said:

you still didn't say how's that going to affect you or anyone except negatively

[Balter]

3 minutes ago, grm9 said:

4 days's literally just half an hour

 

If you want to talk about speed running that would be another thread.

[grm9]

7 minutes ago, Balter said:

If you want to talk about speed running that would be another thread

idk what specifically do you think that i want to talk about, i'm only suggesting for you to do that since it's easy when playing as wolfgang according to you

[ChintzyGnat]

59 minutes ago, Balter said:

What do you not get about uncompromising survival? It’s never supposed to be an easy this game was praised for its difficultly, I’m merely pointing out a flaw.

Here we go again... 

Wolfgang isn't making the game easier he just makes it less grindy, something alot of people don't like. Wolfgang saves time gathering more theulsite crowns or healing or sanity food compared to the default character, by killing what uses those resources quicker.

Wolfgang doesn't make anything easier you just hate his guts because you think dragonfly should take 20 minutes instead of 10.

[Maxil20]

Wolfgang pretty much is the designated ““easy mode”” combat character if your goal is just damage/situational harvesting with great endurance and not much else. If it isn’t your thing (which is totally fair), you always have the option of choosing the other 17 characters in the roster.

I myself don’t really use Wolf unless I need to do something like binge kill champions over and over. He has a fine role and I don’t really mind his existence. It certainly isn’t as silly as something like Maxwell being able to permanently lock down every single boss in this game spamming shadow prisons/duelists on top of all the other perks he’s got.

[Random Guy000]

3 hours ago, ChintzyGnat said:

Here we go again... 

Wolfgang isn't making the game easier he just makes it less grindy, something alot of people don't like. Wolfgang saves time gathering more theulsite crowns or healing or sanity food compared to the default character, by killing what uses those resources quicker.

Wolfgang doesn't make anything easier you just hate his guts because you think dragonfly should take 20 minutes instead of 10.

What would even be the threshhold that would make you think that the character does make the game a lot easier? Ista-killing? Entering god mode?

Every character makes the game easier, it's just that Wolfgang does it the most. Also he's boring as a stone and needs an actually interesting gimmick, maybe he'll stop being just "the OP character" then

[ChintzyGnat]

8 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said:

What would even be the threshhold that would make you think that the character does make the game a lot easier? Ista-killing? Entering god mode?

Every character makes the game easier, it's just that Wolfgang does it the most. Also he's boring as a stone and needs an actually interesting gimmick, maybe he'll stop being just "the OP character" then

Character in my books is op if it trivialize the early game portion (new to the game not early exploration), Wolfgang can make it easier but you still have to dodge the first or second hit to avoid taking massive damage. No character to my knowledge can trivialize the early game that much for the learning process, they make it easier sure but it's not overpowered.

[Mike23Ua]

11 minutes ago, Random Guy000 said:

What would even be the threshhold that would make you think that the character does make the game a lot easier? Ista-killing? Entering god mode?

Every character makes the game easier, it's just that Wolfgang does it the most. Also he's boring as a stone and needs an actually interesting gimmick, maybe he'll stop being just "the OP character" then

Klei issued an actual statement some time back ago that gave detailed descriptions of what particular “Roles” they wanted several of the characters to fall under.

Wendy + Abigail for example are designed to deal AoE damage to “Swarms” of smaller mobs, and the more of them that are attacking her, the more effective she is with her protective shields and damage. She is THE designated Swarm mobs killer.
But when it comes to fighting bosses..

Wolfgang is THE Designated Boss Killer, his entire design.. his entire existence is to make a Boss fight last half as long as it would without him.

I don’t know where to find that post to share it here, but it was neat to read that Klei actually had an overall design intent for the roles they wanted characters to fill.

[Guille6785]

implying he was ever nerfed to begin with

[Theukon-dos]

*sigh* Old habits die hard I suppose. Or in this case old opinions.

No, Wolfgang does not need nerfed. Maybe back in ye olden days you could have argued this, but in a post-powercreep world from the character refreshes, He's just kinda alright.

 

Yes Wolfgang is still really good. And yes he still does a lot of damage. But his damage is only a bit above average now, with characters like Maxwell or Wanda exceeding him. More than that though, Wolfgang has absolutely pathetic utility compared to most characters in the game. Sure he can chop/mine faster and carry heavy objects without a speed penelty, but that's it.

 

Wanda has Wolfgang's damage, magic sanity drain resistance, can infinitily revive team mates, and what was the last thing again? Oh yeah. Teleport.

And Maxwell has Wolfgang's damage, if not better, Magic sanity drain resistance, the best harvesting in the game short of Bearger, and insane crowd control with the shadow prison and shadow trap.

 

The only thing Wolfgang has going for him at this point is how little set up he needs compared to most characters. He can get his damage with only really an Alchemy engine, while the other two need a shadow manipulator before they start popping off.

[grm9]

10 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said:

the other two need a shadow manipulator before they start popping off

you'd ideally go to ruins instead of getting it when playing as maxwell

10 minutes ago, Theukon-dos said:

his damage is only a bit above average now, with characters like Wanda exceeding him

wanda has less dps

[Wormboi]

we really dont need another round of "ChArActer ToO Op1?!?!" threads again

[DegenerateFurry]

Nerf Maxwell. At least make him unable to read Wicker's books. 

Nerf Wolfgang? I'm not so sure. He's kind of always been the easy mode character. 

[Cruvimaster]

Two things you will never see: Wolfgang nerf and Wilson rework. 

[grm9]

9 hours ago, DegenerateFurry said:

Nerf Maxwell. At least make him unable to read Wicker's books

just don't use them when playing as him if that's more fun for you

[Dragonboooorn]

 "I dont like Wolfgang and I dont play him, so lets nerf him pls."

Every single character is busted as we speak, some are more some are less than the others.. But thats not the point, we still have upcoming skill trees for other character that will make them even stronger than they already are (Maxwell, Wanda and Wortox are bests examples) but yeah, lets nerf Wolfgang.

People are looking for nerfs for the sake of it. I mean, come on, every single change in recent updates makes game easier and easier, why people let that slip but are so pissed at Wolfgang? Thats a mystery for me.

[grm9]

On 7/12/2024 at 1:13 PM, Balter said:

Bruv I’m kinda away from my computer but fine I’ll prove it as soon as I get to it

how's the progress on the easy 1st try kill?

[Dragonboooorn]

On 7/12/2024 at 2:13 PM, Balter said:

What do you not get about uncompromising survival? It’s never supposed to be an easy this game was praised for its difficultly, I’m merely pointing out a flaw.

You do realize every non Wilson character is a direct upgrade to him? Wendy have no downside, she deals MORE damage with abigail buff than most of the characters, isnt she supposed to be weak in combat? Wigfrid have no downside, she can live her life on taffies for the rest of her life, and dont get me started on Maxwell or wanda. Honestly, does ANY character now have an actual downside? 

Some people just hate Wolfgang, I guess.  

[dst_lover]

2 hours ago, Dragonboooorn said:

 does ANY character now have an actual downside? 

Some people just hate Wolfgang, I guess.  

warly and wurt and wes and walter  

+ if they will nerf wolfgang they should nerf all other characters that are close or stronger then him 

[kroban]

I used to think the same about Wolfgang back when everyone was using his x2 damage as an easy ruins rush and the only thing you had to do was just eating. But after skill trees were added he fell down the "tier list" A LOT. He isnt as OP as he used to be.

All the other skill trees add way more juice to their kits and made those characters not only more fun to play with new things, but also making them more useful. While Wolfgang's entire kit is...x2 damage, thats all I guess? and some skill trees even made characters closer to his damage, like Woodie's moose or Willow's aoe + bernie, so even at that he is no longer "special". 

If anything, IMO If Klei had to nerf some characters it should be the book readers, Wicker and Maxwell. Maxwell **** up most mobs and bosses with his walls while also having afk farming and fighting, and Books are cool as a concept, but in game it completely trivialize a lot of core parts  while also having infinite uses, its insane. The fact you can make "3 autumns and 1 winter" out of just 1 book should be illegal on a survival game with seasons lmao