Can we nerf Wolfgang some more?

[Balter]

After playing him once I found how easy it is to kill bosses without any skill.

I think we should magnify his downsides such that they actually become downsides. Because Wolfgang is supposedly cowardly I think it makes sense that after his sanity lowers to a certain level he would be affected with periodic panic attacks similar to FW’s psychosis  attack.

Because of his weakened mental state players would be more encouraged to keep their sanity up or to stay away from monsters.

[Jakepeng99]

He can kill nightmares in 3 hits his downside is non existant.

 

I think he should have a 25% hunger drain when mighty.

[Keigo]

He isnt that bad i tried him a couple times and his dmg isnt something i miss when im playing with other chars, to me the actual strenght of wolfgang is the mining, chopping in one hit. 

[grm9]

he only has x2 damage and x1.5 work unlike most other characters that got perks for fighting and other stuff e.g. AoE, teleportation, resource gathering, light and heat in case of winona, he could go back to old wolfgang to simply make him more fun so that there'll be management instead of simply standing still for 5 seconds before a fight but they probably aren't going to simply remove most of the rework

7 minutes ago, Keigo said:

He isnt that bad i tried him a couple times and his dmg isnt something i miss when im playing with other chars, to me the actual strenght of wolfgang is the mining, chopping in one hit.

maybe play as maxwell, 6 clones break a boulder after all hitting it once at the same time too with a guarantee instead of a chance

29 minutes ago, Balter said:

After playing him once I found how easy it is to kill bosses without any skill

when making the fight twice as short through playing as a character that only has perks for fighting and 2 perks for resource gathering makes the fight easier (shocking)

you aren't going to do minimal gear FW without skill when playing as wolfgang or something and you don't need skill for doing dfly with a flute, a wall and tanking or BQ with minions or flute without a damage multiplier either

[marshyds]

His damage output could decrease with sanity loss, making the downside actually matter.

[grm9]

21 minutes ago, marshyds said:

His damage output could decrease with sanity loss, making the downside actually matter

forcing people to eat cactus during early game won't be fun gameplay and that'd make fighting bosses and nightmares at the same time less efficient in comparison to only fighting bosses and increasing sanity even though that's easier

would you play as him if they would've done that?

[Tranoze]

Wolfgang is small and weak pls dont nerf him more.

[Balter]

51 minutes ago, grm9 said:

you aren't going to do minimal gear FW without skill when playing as wolfgang

Yes you are and he doesn’t even need any endgame gear just a hambat and 3 marble suits is more than enough.

10 minutes ago, grm9 said:

forcing people to eat cactus during early game won't be fun gameplay and that'd make fighting bosses and nightmares at the same time less efficient in comparison to only fighting bosses and increasing sanity even though it's harder

Forcing wigfrid to eat only meat is an actual downside but you never hear that being not fun.

Wolfgang doesn’t need more compensation to add to his stupidly op strength.

[grm9]

14 minutes ago, Balter said:

Yes you are and he doesn’t even need any endgame gear just a hambat and 3 marble suits is more than enough

sure, record a video, tell how many attempts, considering that minimal gear means only magi, armor, healing and a weapon, no AoE, teleportation, nightmare amulet etc., it's possible and you can use sanity and insanity food for more consistency because nightmares if you want, wouldn't expect average player to easily do that though

14 minutes ago, Balter said:

Forcing wigfrid to eat only meat is an actual downside but you never hear that being not fun

because most people already eat mostly only meat except during early game?

14 minutes ago, Balter said:

Wolfgang doesn’t need more compensation to add to his stupidly op strength

what compensation and what do you want to get out of that specifically? would you start playing as him if he would've had x1 damage when insane and x2 when at full sanity? he has no perks for farming, base building, worse at resource gathering in comparison to most other characters with perks for resource gathering etc., he's only good for bosses and you don't even need to interact with them

[abrocator]

Don’t worry. In two years when all the skilltrees are done we’re gonna get a new round of updates where each character gets a new downside.

“Oh man I can’t wait to see what Warly’s new downside is”

Then the devs will hand out downsides too evenly so Wolfgang will still be “OP” relatively speaking but hey. Like sawing off one table leg to make it even.

[Balter]

5 minutes ago, grm9 said:

sure, record a video, tell how many attempts, considering that minimal gear means only magi, armor, healing and a weapon, no AoE, teleportation, nightmare amulet etc., it's possible and you can use sanity and insanity food for more consistency because nightmares if you want, wouldn't expect average player to easily do that though

because there's more meat stuff in comparison to amount of stuff that you'd realistically use for increasing sanity?

what compensation and what do you want to get out of that specifically? would you start playing as him if he would've had x1 damage when insane and x2 when at full sanity? he has no perks for farming, base building, worse at resource gathering in comparison to most other characters with perks for resource gathering etc., he's only good for bosses and you don't even need to interact with them

It’s called tanking Wolfgang can easily tank FW with marble suits. No where did I mention healing or magic items and teleportation. You are only calling it hard because you don’t like the fact that I think people who “main” Wolfgang have no skill.

[_zwb]

sorry we only do buffs here

[marshyds]

10 minutes ago, grm9 said:

because there's more meat stuff in comparison to amount of stuff that you'd realistically use for increasing sanity?

taffy - a bunch of honey

banana shake - bananas and twigs

banana pop - ice banana and twigs

fancy spiraled tubers - a single potato and twigs

leafy salad - leafy meat and honey, easy to do post spring.

cooked cacti - wear a helmet to only take 1 damage or use a bramble husk then cook the thing.

dried kelp, jerky and small jerky - shove a food item onto a drying rack

cooked green cap - grab a green cap and cook it

blue mushroom - cook it, minor health loss

most crockpot dishes give a small ammount of sanity.

surf and turf - fishing, a lot easier with a wickerbottom

sleeping in a tent for sanity.

being near followers gives sanity.

bee queen crown inverses sanity, giving wolfgang sanity from being near FW

and some more

even if its painful earlygame, thats how progression is supposed to work, get stronger over time to the point where it becomes less of an issue.

[grm9]

2 minutes ago, Balter said:

It’s called tanking Wolfgang can easily tank FW with marble suits

no, you can't simply tank the boss after it becomes invincible, if it's that easy record a video and send it

3 minutes ago, Balter said:

You are only calling it hard because you don’t like the fact that I think people who “main” Wolfgang have no skill

no, i'm saying that it's hard because most people never did that and would require a lot of practice to do that consistently, if you think that it's easy, do that and show a video

Just now, marshyds said:

even if its painful earlygame, thats how progression is supposed to work, get stronger over time to the point where it becomes less of an issue

then who's going to be an early game character? we already got wanda as a character with high dps and relatively high amount of time required for set up

2 minutes ago, marshyds said:

taffy - a bunch of honey

banana shake - bananas and twigs

banana pop - ice banana and twigs

fancy spiraled tubers - a single potato and twigs

leafy salad - leafy meat and honey, easy to do post spring.

cooked cacti - wear a helmet to only take 1 damage or use a bramble husk then cook the thing.

dried kelp, jerky and small jerky - shove a food item onto a drying rack

cooked green cap - grab a green cap and cook it

blue mushroom - cook it, minor health loss

most crockpot dishes give a small ammount of sanity.

surf and turf - fishing, a lot easier with a wickerbottom

sleeping in a tent for sanity.

being near followers gives sanity.

bee queen crown inverses sanity, giving wolfgang sanity from being near FW

and some more

yeah you'd only realistically use cactus and green shrooms unless you want to waste some time for the fun of it or someone else already did and set something up and you get them from a lot less places in comparison to meat and monster meat

also, you didn't respond to another message

[W0l0l0]

17 minutes ago, abrocator said:

Don’t worry. In two years when all the skilltrees are done we’re gonna get a new round of updates where each character gets a new downside.

“Oh man I can’t wait to see what Warly’s new downside is”

Then the devs will hand out downsides too evenly so Wolfgang will still be “OP” relatively speaking but hey. Like sawing off one table leg to make it even.

I'd actually really like to see character downsides increase across the board.

I'd probably even prefer the Planar section of the game to instead be replaced with character downsides becoming more intense in those worlds (but adding proper downsides to begin with would likely already suffice).

[abrocator]

1 hour ago, Balter said:

I think we should magnify his downsides such that they actually become downsides.

 

56 minutes ago, marshyds said:

His damage output could decrease with sanity loss, making the downside actually matter.

 

5 minutes ago, W0l0l0 said:

I'd actually really like to see character downsides increase across the board.

Or we can add a third alignment Actually Downsides for you guys.

[Balter]

10 minutes ago, grm9 said:

no, you can't simply tank the boss after it becomes invincible, if it's that easy record a video and send it

no, i'm saying that it's hard because most people never did that and would require a lot of practice to do that consistently, if you think that it's easy, do that and show a video

then who's going to be an early game character? we already got wanda as a character with high dps and relatively high amount of time required for set up

yeah you'd only realistically use cactus and green shrooms unless you want to waste some time for the fun of it or someone else already did and set something up and you get them from a lot less places in comparison to meat and monster meat

also, you didn't respond to another message

Yeah sure just go on YouTube, there’s already 100s of those videos what’s the point in proving that Wolfgang is op another time? 
 

Regardless your argument doesn’t stand in proving that Wolfgang doesn’t need a nerf.

[grm9]

4 minutes ago, abrocator said:

Or we can add a third alignment Actually Downsides for you guys

they probably won't even play as the character if they'll get added, what's the point?

2 minutes ago, Balter said:

Yeah sure just go on YouTube, there’s already 100s of those videos what’s the point in proving that Wolfgang is op another time?

i'm asking you specifically to do that, since you've probably got no practice with that and since you say that that doesn't require any skill, go do that

2 minutes ago, Balter said:

Regardless your argument doesn’t stand in proving that Wolfgang doesn’t need a nerf

why? saying that's just pointless, "what you said's wrong because i think that"

would you play as him if he would've got it? a lot of people said that they would during wolfgang rework beta but didn't

[abrocator]

1 minute ago, grm9 said:

they probably won't even play as the character if they'll get added, what's the point?

The complaints won’t stop until insert thing I don’t like (and won’t use) is optionally nerfed. Might as well get it over with.

Then it’s just a coin toss whether there will be forever threads about how the optional nerf should be made mandatory.

[grm9]

10 minutes ago, abrocator said:

The complaints won’t stop until insert thing I don’t like (and won’t use) is optionally nerfed. Might as well get it over with.

Then it’s just a coin toss whether there will be forever threads about how the optional nerf should be made mandatory

getting people to stop playing the game through adding their ideas'd be funny but hopefully won't get to that

@Balter would you start playing as wolfgang if his damage would've started depending on his sanity? are you currently able to do FW without AoE, teleportation, nightmare amulet and sanity and insanity food 1 cycle when playing as wolfgang, since playing as him makes everything extremely easy and not require skill?

[Balter]

@grm9 Nah, but his abilities stick out like a sore thumb. Any reasonable person knows he is way too OP

[grm9]

1 minute ago, Balter said:

@grm9 Nah, but his abilities stick out like a sore thumb. Any reasonable person knows he is way too OP

didn't you previously say that you can? how'd him becoming worse affect you, considering that the game isn't competitive so someone else playing as him most likely won't negatively affect you? what does 

4 minutes ago, Balter said:

OP

even mean specifically and how do you get to know that something's objectively that, considering that there's no goal in the game and someone that only does farming and base building wouldn't even consider him as good?

[Balter]

Nah as in Im not gonna start playing as him, why would I?

[abrocator]

20 minutes ago, grm9 said:

getting people to stop playing the game through adding their ideas'd be funny but hopefully won't get to that

 

No they’d still play the game, just not with the characters they dislike (of course).

[grm9]

8 minutes ago, Balter said:

Nah as in Im not gonna start playing as him, why would I?

because why else'd you ask for him to get changed? what's the point of changing something that doesn't and won't affect you?

also, you still didn't record a video of you doing minimal gear FW when playing as him 1st try, do it if it's that easy

6 minutes ago, abrocator said:

No they’d still play the game, just not with the characters they dislike (of course)

people that played as characters that became worse could start asking for other characters to become worse so that if they won't be playing the game, then at least no one else'll too