grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 Atm CC quest line's really boring imo, you only need to do the moon stone thing that doesn't even require fighting even if you aren't using pathfinding bugs, go to a biome without any things that can realistically deal damage to you since you can just run through archives and break all husks that're close enough to the puzzle circle to aggro onto you after becoming able to attack, do a boring random puzzle that anyone can do, simply go in a line that a thing shows to you, bring 2 things that could be very far from each other and lunar and require having a beefalo onto a boat and go to lunar in a line that a thing'll show to you, do tasks that just require bringing specific stuff and either hoping for RNG rain, fishing RNG, getting a shadow manipulator even though you might not need anything else from it and could've skipped it otherwise to save time or waiting for spring, do a really boring, easy and simple boss, wait for things to spawn and mine them for a day, do the wagstaff mini game thing and do another really long and boring fight It's obvious that CC could get reworked to not be as boring, but how specifically? It doesn't have many anims to use for reworking it through a mod and idk how to even make it good, and what could be done with the rest? It's just bringing stuff from places to other places for multiple days Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/ Share on other sites More sharing options...
flamboyant wolf Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 idk, I find it quite fun. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732731 Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopuleasa Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 the only way is to megabase and not rush CC if you rush CC you will suffer Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732735 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 Just now, loopuleasa said: the only way is to megabase and not rush CC the only difference that that makes's being able to do pearl stuff without fishing and rain, the rest sucks in both cases imo and even just bringing specific stuff to crabby hermit isn't much fun Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732737 Share on other sites More sharing options...
loopuleasa Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 1 minute ago, grm9 said: the only difference that that makes's being able to do pearl stuff without fishing and rain, the rest sucks in both cases imo and even just bringing specific stuff to crabby hermit isn't much fun Pearl should have always been optional content, not a gate to the end game Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732739 Share on other sites More sharing options...
ADM Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 Maybe. We need to know the ideas for it before anything because even if it's not the most engaging of things there are only more ways to make the whole worse than better. At least the cycle to repeat CC got sequential improvements which were super healthy, but I'd say those were easier to bring than restructuring the initial questline. Depending what's done I could look forward it but I also have another problem with this whole thing and that's the replayability and freshess of the places that were required for CC. The Archives, Crab King, even the Crabby Hermit and the whole Lunar Island fall rather flat once you've done the stuff, they're not exactly useless and they aren't all on the same scale of emptiness, but certainly all deserving of more content we could return for that isn't just us megabasers building in here. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732741 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 8 minutes ago, ADM said: We need to know the ideas for it before anything well yes, the point of the post was asking for ideas, i doubt that klei'll change it much but i could make a mod if i would've had ideas Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732743 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike23Ua Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 My suggestion is to move the alter piece somewhere else so you don’t have to fight Crab King to obtain it or do any of Hermit Granny’s RPG quest grind. Im not exactly sure how it should be changed, maybe it can be the only celestial part you’ll need to go down into caves and bring back to the surface idk, Idc.. I just don’t like having to fight a Pearl socketed crab king to get the thing. Ive never fought CC, but I have done all the steps right up to actually summoning it. And I’ve enjoyed the new global rifts stuff that’s suppose to happen after fighting it. I strongly feel like that if our characters are getting these skill trees to unlock shadow and lunar powers from day 1, that it probably wouldn’t hurt for the content those powers are suppose to go hand in hand with to not be tied to such late game progress anymore. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732749 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 Well, either get three opal crab king or do pearl's quest could be an option. I like pearl's quests due to it being different. It brings some life to the world and being able to do it for some character. Sometimes it's less about rushing but appreciating the gameplay we get as experience. Not everything should ever revolve around fighting and kiting, that's what is making the game kinda boring. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732755 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 6 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Well, either get three opal crab king or do pearl's quest could be an option 3 opals take up 3 slots instead of 1 unlike pearl so it'll be easier and faster to do so everyone'll do that since even if you want a harder fight, spending many days on getting pearl probably wouldn't be worth it 7 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Sometimes it's less about rushing but appreciating the gameplay we get as experience i don't in case of CC questline either way, it's boring 7 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Not everything should ever revolve around fighting and kiting, that's what is making the game kinda boring kiting isn't the main thing about fighting and nah, quest line definitely would've been much better if at least CK and CC were more fun to fight Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732757 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, grm9 said: 3 opals take up 3 slots instead of 1 unlike pearl so it'll be easier and faster to do so everyone'll do that since even if you want a harder fight, spending many days on getting pearl probably wouldn't be worth it i don't in case of CC questline either way, it's boring kiting isn't the main thing about fighting and nah, quest line definitely would've been much better if at least CK and CC were more fun to fight I mean, just sounds like a personal problem than an issue I guess. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Help grandma or suffer not accomplishing CC's defeat. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732758 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 2 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said: Help grandma or suffer not accomplishing CC's defeat ? 3 opals'd be easier in comparison to pearl Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732761 Share on other sites More sharing options...
arubaro Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 It isnt Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732763 Share on other sites More sharing options...
FluffyBun Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 Pearl is fine Be Wortox, Wanda, or Winona Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732767 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 7 minutes ago, FluffyBun said: Be Wortox, Wanda, or Winona how're they even related to it? wortox or winona could be useful for rain during autumn but that's it Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732768 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 3 hours ago, grm9 said: ? 3 opals'd be easier in comparison to pearl more boring tho :T Personal opinion. It is how it is tho. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732792 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 Just now, Frosty_Mentos said: more boring tho doing crabby hermit quest line for the boss to become slightly harder probably wouldn't be worth it assuming that you don't like crabby hermit quest line Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732793 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frosty_Mentos Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 5 minutes ago, grm9 said: doing crabby hermit quest line for the boss to become slightly harder probably wouldn't be worth it assuming that you don't like crabby hermit quest line as said, personal opinion, but I enjoy it. Not that hard, not easy, but fine enough to be done during the several days of end and start of two seasons Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732795 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guille6785 Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 6 hours ago, loopuleasa said: the only way is to megabase and not rush CC if you rush CC you will suffer having a megabase does not affect in any way the sequence of events he just described other than having to deal with less RNG Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732811 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Well-met Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 6 hours ago, grm9 said: Atm CC quest line's really boring imo, you only need to do the moon stone thing that doesn't even require fighting even if you aren't using pathfinding bugs, go to a biome without any things that can realistically deal damage to you since you can just run through archives and break all husks that're close enough to the puzzle circle to aggro onto you after becoming able to attack, do a boring random puzzle that anyone can do, simply go in a line that a thing shows to you, bring 2 things that could be very far from each other and lunar and require having a beefalo onto a boat and go to lunar in a line that a thing'll show to you, do tasks that just require bringing specific stuff and either hoping for RNG rain, fishing RNG, getting a shadow manipulator even though you might not need anything else from it and could've skipped it otherwise to save time or waiting for spring, do a really boring, easy and simple boss, wait for things to spawn and mine them for a day, do the wagstaff mini game thing and do another really long and boring fight It's obvious that CC could get reworked to not be as boring, but how specifically? It doesn't have many anims to use for reworking it through a mod and idk how to even make it good, and what could be done with the rest? It's just bringing stuff from places to other places for multiple days anything can be reduced to straight forward actions like you describe. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732815 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 Just now, Well-met said: anything can be reduced to straight forward actions like you describe the point was that doing all of that's boring Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732820 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiyss Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 7 hours ago, grm9 said: Atm CC quest line's really boring imo, you only need to do the moon stone thing that doesn't even require fighting even if you aren't using pathfinding bugs, go to a biome without any things that can realistically deal damage to you since you can just run through archives and break all husks that're close enough to the puzzle circle to aggro onto you after becoming able to attack, do a boring random puzzle that anyone can do, simply go in a line that a thing shows to you, bring 2 things that could be very far from each other and lunar and require having a beefalo onto a boat and go to lunar in a line that a thing'll show to you, do tasks that just require bringing specific stuff and either hoping for RNG rain, fishing RNG, getting a shadow manipulator even though you might not need anything else from it and could've skipped it otherwise to save time or waiting for spring, do a really boring, easy and simple boss, wait for things to spawn and mine them for a day, do the wagstaff mini game thing and do another really long and boring fight It's obvious that CC could get reworked to not be as boring, but how specifically? It doesn't have many anims to use for reworking it through a mod and idk how to even make it good, and what could be done with the rest? It's just bringing stuff from places to other places for multiple days Do you just hate the game? You described the whole playthrough to cc being boring. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732821 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 1 minute ago, Swiyss said: Do you just hate the game? no, only CC quest line and some other stuff Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732822 Share on other sites More sharing options...
Swiyss Posted July 5, 2024 Share Posted July 5, 2024 4 minutes ago, grm9 said: no, only CC quest line and some other stuff If I'm being completely honest with you, I agree with it having a lot of rngs and it being "boring". I don't think the game was ever made for speedrunners, but Klei even changed the way moonstorms worked and now made cbking easier. Touching Pearl is just overkill my guy. They can already beat cc before winter, so asking for it to be intentionally less of a hastle even will affect the player who likes for it to take time to do. I assume you're talking about being boring because you're either focusing too much on the end goal and not enjoying the trip or speedrunning, which mean the same thing, but frustration is a big part of it anyways so. Maybe I just didn't understand. Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732823 Share on other sites More sharing options...
grm9 Posted July 5, 2024 Author Share Posted July 5, 2024 24 minutes ago, Swiyss said: Klei even changed the way moonstorms worked and now made cbking easier old CK was the only thing about CC quest line that i've liked 24 minutes ago, Swiyss said: Touching Pearl is just overkill my guy it's not specifically that 24 minutes ago, Swiyss said: They can already beat cc before winter that isn't about how much time that requires 24 minutes ago, Swiyss said: asking for it to be intentionally less of a hastle i'm asking for ideas about how to make that fun through a mod since i don't really expect klei to change that much 24 minutes ago, Swiyss said: I assume you're talking about being boring because you're either focusing too much on the end goal and not enjoying the trip or speedrunning no, because there're only a few strats for doing the quest line and we aren't getting more through updates unlike e.g. for fighting some bosses and you'd execute most parts of that about as efficiently as possible on 1st few tries so there's very little to improve at Link to comment https://forums.kleientertainment.com/forums/topic/157962-how-to-make-cc-quest-line-not-boring/#findComment-1732829 Share on other sites More sharing options...
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