Conditional use for Winona's teleporter among non Winonas.

[chirsg]

I truly believe teleportation is hyper utility. It's so useful, that it's getting to become a matter of "haves and have nots."

Winona's usefulness will be so much more expanded than being able to just have a reliable mode of transport. She has a full siege unit on command and that's been a long time coming and something that definitely graduates her from switch to actual functioning day to day.

I don't think fast travel between checkpoints should be the "hook" of choosing a character. Especially with the reluctance of a legitimate in game way to redirect wormholes.

 

If exclusive fast travel is what makes a character appealing, then it's shooting fish in a barrel. Categorically, fast travel is so useful, even in the hands of Wes, such a system would be worth picking him over the rest of the cast. 

 

If a condition needs to be met for non Winonas to be able to use teleporters, so be it. I think it's the closest thing to fair we have. Even like, a permanent health penalty lol. Whatever.

Let's discuss what the condition should be for fast travel among non Winonas. 

[Swiyss]

Honestly. I think every character should be able to use her teleport. I understand that they don't wanna make her a switch character, but adding a teleporter is almost asking for people to want that in their worlds as non-winona characters.

[Copyafriend]

I could imagine the teleport pad functioning two ways: either you socket a purple gem and get teleported to another pad, or you use winonas remote (which is obviously exclusive to her)

because the teleporter is a structure i would prefer for it to be usable by others, we need more working together, and if that comes at the cost of potentially "switching" to winona for something, then maybe we just need to deal with that as a potential "problem"

[Brago-sama]

36 minutes ago, Swiyss said:

adding a teleporter is almost asking for people to want that in their worlds as non-winona characters.

See, you see that as a problem, but klei sees that as a feature

"Play winonna, she can set up teleport waystations"

As much as id love them to be usable by everyone, i highly doubt they will be come release. Best we can hope for is for them to take a look at the telelocator in the future and make it cheaper/some other improvments (like being usable in caves lol)

[Swiyss]

Just now, Brago-sama said:

As much as id love them to be usable by everyone, i highly doubt they will be come release.

Me too.

[chirsg]

1 minute ago, Brago-sama said:

As much as id love them to be usable by everyone, i highly doubt they will be come release.

It's why there are forums. We can press our case as to why things should be reconsidered. I pleaded my case. It's fast travel. So much of this game is covering distance in the shortest amount of time, and something I'd argue that's more significant than combat. 

 

[Copyafriend]

1 hour ago, SSneaky said:

why not both?

I meant both, I may have been unclear.

one or the other, as in you can do both.

[Cruvimaster]

I don't know what it will be like for Winona, but Klei created strong barriers when she brought Wanda.

Wanda needs to wait for the first winter, be lucky to get the Walrus Tusk in encounters and be even luckier to have a random biome (Triple Walrus Camp). She spends the whole winter stuck to this activity of hunting MacTusk N' Son. 

To make matters worse, she can only teleport other players by spending a precious purple gem for a single use.

Wortox, until then, was just a "The Lazy Explorer" in the game. With Wanda's arrival, Klei gave him a huge improvement and today he can teleport to any point on the map using souls (but he can't teleport anyone, unless he uses The Lazy Deserter).

The next step Klei took was the introduction of ocean teleportation (Frostjaw). It is teleportation to a cheaper group that exists, although limited to the ocean (but which is the only really relevant one). A single confrontation with the boss guarantees up to 10 teleports. 

Winona's teleportation machine is very cheap from what we saw in the preview. Let's see how Klei positions itself at the launch of the beta.

The fact is that Klei was very strict at first (Wanda), then softened (Wortox / Frostjaw). 

Winona is a portal character (players use the portal to get what she does and then switch to another character). 

If her teleportation follows the same current logic, Winona will continue to be a character just to change in the portal and then forget completely.

What draws attention is that the description of the machine talks about "teleporting items".

So maybe Winona can't teleport characters. Which justifies its low construction cost.

To teleport items, today we have Maxwell (Magician's Chest). Perhaps Winona is another alternative, but without taking up Shadow Chester's slot.

From the description in the image, my conclusion is that Winona's teleportation is an alternative to the Magician's Chest and not for Wanda / Wortox or Frostjaw.

And Winona already uses alternative versions for Sewing Kit and is already confirmed for WOBOT. So it is within the character's logic to have another alternative for Magician's Chest.

[chirsg]

1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said:

If her teleportation follows the same current logic, Winona will continue to be a character just to change in the portal and then forget completely.

 

There are unavoidable circumstances which almost any given character will be a switch character. Maxwell's Magician's chest, which I highly disagree should have been locked behind him, Woodie's treeguard idols, Wigfrid's spears and helmets, Wilson's transmutations, Wendy building sisturns, Wurt building merm houses, I honestly could go on.

But all the listed characters have a control over their tasks which other characters do not. Even if, for example, you stockpile a lot of elding spears for other characters to use, they'll never be as good as using them as Wigfrid is. 

 

Even if Winona's teleporter had conditional use for other characters, she still has a mobile siege unit which she has more control over than other characters do. And we haven't seen the rest of the perks either. 

My point is, if a character's identity is so fragile that fast travel has to be their defining trait, then there's something cheap about that given character. 

[GreenBowers]

I like the idea that Winona can use the teleporter with her remote for free, while other characters have to socket a purple gem to use it. Not completely barring the structure to be used by non-winona's but making it far easier if she just does it herself.

[Theukon-dos]

Or we could buff the telelocator. Y'know, the structure and item that everyone has access too but nobody uses becuase it sucks. Instead of making an entirely new structure to fill its niche and role.

[Frosty_Mentos]

I don't think Klei will want us to use Winona's teleporters freely among characters as to give her some sense of 'that's her thing noone else's' like it's the situation for Wanda.

If Winona's teleporters would transport players, what would be the point of Wanda at that point?

Thirdly, I believe that our best way to travel is by having rider beefalos, while it's a little bit time consuming it brings longterm benefits quite a bit to save a lot of time.

If Klei weren't willing for us to use deserters as singleplayer choice, why would we be able to use any of other options by not being those characters, yknow?

[Jakepeng99]

6 hours ago, Swiyss said:

Honestly. I think every character should be able to use her teleport. I understand that they don't wanna make her a switch character, but adding a teleporter is almost asking for people to want that in their worlds as non-winona characters.

Wanda wouod be completly outclassed.

[flamboyant wolf]

I thought about this, and, assuming it still works like a telepad mostly, would it be that bad if every character could use the platform by interacting with it, thus teleporting between them, but only Winona could use the telebrella, to teleport to the platform from a distance(telebrella could also become a gadget, like Winbots and Remote, being rechargeable at a generator). Maybe it could cost a purple gem as others have suggested, so it's not as free. Something was mentioned on stream about Winona possibly teleporting others along with herself, so that'd be a good way to go too. 

All of this does raise some questions regarding teleportation balance among survivors, but assuming it still has its range limit, assuming you still can't choose what platform to go to(as in, you teleport to the closest one available), and taking into consideration that it needs to be powered up to use(at least until you get a few spare crown shards), I think it might be fine?

Now for why I would want other characters to be able to use the platform in some capacity, I just think it fits the supportive role of an engineer. Just like she can build some spotlights and catapults to protect other survivors from stuff like darkness and hounds, she could build some useful "infrastructure" around the world. Not saying Winona shouldn't have some stuff just for herself, but I hope she still has some stuff to other to the team, even if it's not the teleporter. 

[Cassielu]

I think it's a bit reverse, just pushing Winona more in the direction of a switch character.

Why not just let all the characters can craft it, and give Winona a power to using or get it easily.

[GimplyGoose]

I don't think other characters should be able to use Winona's teleporters without a Winona present. I would be OK with something similar to Wanda's ability to share her teleports with a cost.

I think Klei should take every opportunity they can with the skill tree to incetivise staying Winona.

[Cruvimaster]

5 hours ago, chirsg said:

My point is, if a character's identity is so fragile that fast travel has to be their defining trait, then there's something cheap about that given character. 

 

From what has been shown so far and analyzing the description in the image below, I reaffirm that Winona's teleportation looks like it will be just a chest to carry items from a biome to your base or any other place of interest. 

If this is really that and Klei puts 16 space slots (the same as the new boat), it's already amazing and superior to Magician's Chest.

It doesn't look like Klei will bring fast travel to the characters. But if Klei does this, the game will have a great impact on the incentive in domesticating and maintaining a beefalo, as well as making Frostjaw out of the time. 

In two weeks we will see what the developers really will do.

 

[marshyds]

Idea: the teleporter can transport items, but not other players, only winona may do that.

even if maxwell has a similar item, he has a lot of different things going for him already.

[Cruvimaster]

I think a lot of people here will be frustrated by imagining that the Winona item will have a function of taking people, but in fact will have the function of this item:

It's too early and I may be wrong. It's just what seems to be so far.

[flamboyant wolf]

1 hour ago, Cruvimaster said:

I think a lot of people here will be frustrated by imagining that the Winona item will have a function of taking people, but in fact will have the function of this item:

It's too early and I may be wrong. It's just what seems to be so far.

I mean, that wouldn't be the worst, but it wouldn't really make sense with what said on the stream, imho. Especially with the mention of telebrella, and direct comparison to the telepad. Also when they talk about the possibility of area teleport, they say "that might allow you to bring people with you". 

Perhaps this item can transport both people and items, we'll just have to wait and see. 

Edit: Actually, it being a storage similar to shadow chest/storage capable of transporting items could be so cool if it worked with Winbots, though. 

[chirsg]

3 hours ago, GimplyGoose said:

I don't think other characters should be able to use Winona's teleporters without a Winona present. I would be OK with something similar to Wanda's ability to share her teleports with a cost.

I think Klei should take every opportunity they can with the skill tree to incetivise staying Winona.

Do you not think that Winona has a significant inadequacy if the hook of her as a character is fast travel? Shouldn't she be better as a character to not rely on fast travel as a decider as to why you'd pick her?

The flexible catapult and power generator placements is really good, and we still haven't seen everything winona is able to do yet.

Winona should hopefully have more than just the teleport to keep her relevant, especially given how important fast travel is to anyone, even more so than combat. 

[Cruvimaster]

1 hour ago, skile said:

Edit: Actually, it being a storage similar to shadow chest/storage capable of transporting items could be so cool if it worked with Winbots, though. 

Teletering large quantities to the base would certainly be an incredible utility that Winona would bring. 

If people are in groups and there is a Wortox + The Lazy Deserter they have access to a cheap teleportation to any point on the map, just having to wait for the first summer. It is very easy to accumulate desert stone. It is by far the best teleportation in the game.

If the person plays solo, this player has both Wortox and Wanda today, but also has Bootleg Getaway to any island and with any character.

Already the teleportation of resources to the base is very painful when you want to bring a lot of wood or ores in general. Having to gather everything in your inventory and put in wrapping and such. 

Maxwell even improves this task, but Winona can really make it amazing, and help Maxwell indirectly (being able to use the top hat without sharing it with the group, as the group would have better option with Winona).

It remains to be waited to really know what Klei's line of thought will be for the item we are speculating.

[Mysterious box]

As I've said previously but in my opinion Klei already solved the pick and swap problem of Winona completely the moment the fixed her base kit before even looking at the skill tree.

That being said I kinda hope Klei can find a way to avoid leaning too hard into perk overlap as it really ruins the uniqueness of the characters.

[Uedo]

13 hours ago, Cruvimaster said:

I don't know what it will be like for Winona, but Klei created strong barriers when she brought Wanda.

Wanda needs to wait for the first winter, be lucky to get the Walrus Tusk in encounters and be even luckier to have a random biome (Triple Walrus Camp). She spends the whole winter stuck to this activity of hunting MacTusk N' Son. 

To make matters worse, she can only teleport other players by spending a precious purple gem for a single use.

Wortox, until then, was just a "The Lazy Explorer" in the game. With Wanda's arrival, Klei gave him a huge improvement and today he can teleport to any point on the map using souls (but he can't teleport anyone, unless he uses The Lazy Deserter).

The next step Klei took was the introduction of ocean teleportation (Frostjaw). It is teleportation to a cheaper group that exists, although limited to the ocean (but which is the only really relevant one). A single confrontation with the boss guarantees up to 10 teleports. 

Winona's teleportation machine is very cheap from what we saw in the preview. Let's see how Klei positions itself at the launch of the beta.

The fact is that Klei was very strict at first (Wanda), then softened (Wortox / Frostjaw). 

Winona is a portal character (players use the portal to get what she does and then switch to another character). 

If her teleportation follows the same current logic, Winona will continue to be a character just to change in the portal and then forget completely.

What draws attention is that the description of the machine talks about "teleporting items".

So maybe Winona can't teleport characters. Which justifies its low construction cost.

To teleport items, today we have Maxwell (Magician's Chest). Perhaps Winona is another alternative, but without taking up Shadow Chester's slot.

From the description in the image, my conclusion is that Winona's teleportation is an alternative to the Magician's Chest and not for Wanda / Wortox or Frostjaw.

And Winona already uses alternative versions for Sewing Kit and is already confirmed for WOBOT. So it is within the character's logic to have another alternative for Magician's Chest.

To be honest, I think you just changed my mind completely. I forgot Frostjaw existed, I think Winona should have the teleporter exclusive to her. 

[Gashzer]

I think klei wants us to reuse our expensive catapults setups by using the transporting to ferry our catapults around.

Example one teleporter each at bee queen and dfly. We use our massive catapult setup at bee queen to kill her then teleport all the gear to dfly then walk over normally and resetup all the teleported gear at dfly.

This means we dont need to make a billiziom catapults or waste alot of time going back or forth to move them around.

I dont think its a people teleport.