Drying racks, long shelflife foods (and apparently discussions about food balance and player experience; veterans vs forumites)

[Frosty_Mentos]

I've brought this up before and I'm here again to try convincing how bad the drying racks are compared to many other options, and it being good reason to give some love to them.

They take up a lot of space

A lot of resources to build

They dry single unit items

They only bring back things to full freshness, but it's not a big issue when you can get more food anyway

The food from them dried stats are mid at best

Doesn't last THAT long all things considered, for what they are supposed to mean

Warly can't eat them

Saltbox doesn't let you store the drying rack food

Can't store in Bearger bin

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Too many issues, and many possible solutions from just tinkering with values to adding new sprite and adding more drying to drying racks.

If farms can outdo them, or shroom digging to get veggies to just crockpots outdoing drying racks more and beyond - I don't see a point to drying anything that's not kelp at that point. And with drying kelp it's still annoying.

[DegenerateFurry]

It does seem a bit silly that jerky doesn't last longer than it does even when refrigerated. It's a decent generalist food and it's nice to be able to extend the lifespan of meat that was going to spoil (which is the use Warly has for it), but the whole point of jerky is that it's a meat that lasts a long time. I'd like to see it last as long as honey.

[Echsrick]

if i go into puplic servers there is a LOW chance i will see a drying rack, chances are im the one that first builds one are hight

[cropo]

They really just need to make Jerky a fast-eat item in my opinion. 

[landromat]

you're going to post same thing every week? Again, jerky is fine

32 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

They take up a lot of space

 

how that's a problem?

33 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

A lot of resources to build

 

that's one time build

 

33 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

They dry single unit items

 

sure they are

33 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

They only bring back things to full freshness, but it's not a big issue when you can get more food anyway

The food from them dried stats are mid at best

lol

34 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Doesn't last THAT long all things considered, for what they are supposed to mean

 

it does because of restored freshness and it's one of slower sploiled food in the game

34 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Warly can't eat them

 

He can cook it, so he still can use it as meat life extension.

35 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Saltbox doesn't let you store the drying rack food

 

as well as half of food items

36 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Can't store in Bearger bin

 

that's sad i agree

[Frosty_Mentos]

7 minutes ago, landromat said:

how that's a problem?

For single food units you can dry it takes a lotta time and space. They simply just suck.

[00petar00]

4 minutes ago, landromat said:

you're going to post same thing every week? Again, jerky is fine

Its not fine and doesn't make any sense. One of my favorite games lets me store food for a year If I use real life method that allows me to store said food for that long even without freezing it. (jars and drying are some of the methods)

Drying racks are one of the worst options you can go for in DST, why bother when you can get bananas and honey that don't require of you do so many actions and waste time? There's a reason no one good at the game is going to focus on building drying racks, there are much better options.

 

37 minutes ago, DegenerateFurry said:

It does seem a bit silly that jerky doesn't last longer than it does even when refrigerated. It's a decent generalist food and it's nice to be able to extend the lifespan of meat that was going to spoil (which is the use Warly has for it), but the whole point of jerky is that it's a meat that lasts a long time. I'd like to see it last as long as honey.

The thing is that if you need to dry food that will spoil it is actually your fault, food is abundant in DST and you haven't cooked or bundled in time so If you use drying racks you waste time.

[Captain_Rage]

3 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

For single food units you can dry it takes a lotta time and space. They simply just suck.

It turns Raw Fish into Jerky in a day which is super useful when sailing. If all you do is to stand in one spot inside a base with a Lureplant farm when playing most features in the game become redundant. Meh.

[Frosty_Mentos]

13 minutes ago, landromat said:

you're going to post same thing every week? Again, jerky is fine

3 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

-Snip-

I got time rn, I can make a post once in a while to tell what sucks and would be be better and more fun to use.

The person up there seems to have the issue of me wanting to post something I don't like and a good amount of players off forums had agreed with me in terms of needing change for it. When we got many other options that are cheaper and easier, why should the harder option to refine food be left out?

I don't wanna argue hard with people like that anymore, cause they don't see my point and would wanna say "no lol" to my points while avoiding addressing every paragraph of experience I give to just end up big posts of "no u lol".

Dealing with idiocy is hard when you make big posts explaining every detail as to why the thing sucks and why should we not try caring a little about something just for fun of it? Sandbox game, after all.

If it takes me to remind that something sucks once in a while eventually things get changed. Reason why we got Celestial Champion crown actually close for once and make Klei backpedal on their poor design choices. And you can thank me for that by buying a ring or chocolate.

Being constructive and annoying get changes to happen sometimes.

[landromat]

2 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

I got time rn, I can make a post once in a while to tell what sucks and would be be better and more fun to use.

The person up there seems to have the issue of me wanting to post something I don't like and a good amount of players off forums had agreed with me in terms of needing change for it. When we got many other options that are cheaper and easier, why should the harder option to refine food be left out?

I don't wanna argue hard with people like that anymore, cause they don't see my point and would wanna say "no lol" to my points while avoiding addressing every paragraph of experience I give to just end up big posts of "no u lol".

Dealing with idiocy is hard when you make big posts explaining every detail as to why the thing sucks and why should we not try caring a little about something just for fun of it? Sandbox game, after all.

If it takes me to remind that something sucks once in a while eventually things get changed. Reason why we got Celestial Champion crown actually close for once and make Klei backpedal on their poor design choices. And you can thank me for that by buying a ring or chocolate.

Being constructive and annoying get changes to happen sometimes.

calling people idiots is a big no no you know

Also most of your complains are coming from you not being good at the game, and i don't want game to get easier because of unskilled player complaints

[00petar00]

1 minute ago, Captain_Rage said:

It turns Raw Fish into Jerky in a day which is super useful when sailing. If all you do is to stand in one spot inside a base with a Lureplant farm when playing most features in the game become redundant. Meh.

It really doesn't matter, no one can say that building drying racks is more efficient and you have to go out of your way to use fish which is harder to gather compared to other meats.

What you need to do is make a drying rack, catch fish and put it there and pick it up every single time. The reason farming sucks compared to other methods is the amount of actions required from the player.

[Frosty_Mentos]

1 minute ago, Captain_Rage said:

It turns Raw Fish into Jerky in a day which is super useful when sailing. If all you do is to stand in one spot inside a base with a Lureplant farm when playing most features in the game become redundant. Meh.

It's not like staying in the sea gonna take that long to need any jerky there, and wasting fish for me to make jerky that isn't as compact as bundled Surf'n'turf till I get bearger bin I don't wanna waste too much space for jerky. It's that simple. Jerky sucks. Banana shakes and skillets will do it too and they feel like they take less effort than drying each meat on a rack.

1 minute ago, landromat said:

calling people idiots is a big no no you know

I'm not bullied that easy. Either make something of a proper post to explain why my point is poor or doesn't matter I don't see you being any more productive. Simple as that.

[landromat]

5 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

It's not like staying in the sea gonna take that long to need any jerky there, and wasting fish for me to make jerky that isn't as compact as bundled Surf'n'turf till I get bearger bin I don't wanna waste too much space for jerky. It's that simple. Jerky sucks. Banana shakes and skillets will do it too and they feel like they take less effort than drying each meat on a rack.

I'm not bullied that easy. Either make something of a proper post to explain why my point is poor or doesn't matter I don't see you being any more productive. Simple as that.

that's you who calls people idiots, not me. my points are valid, you just don't want to listen to them because your game experience differs from mine. You're new at the game and don't know how to deal with one thing or another and instead of getting good just complain on forums to make game easier. 

In most situations my suggestion is to get good 

[Frosty_Mentos]

2 minutes ago, landromat said:

You're new at the game

Yea I know better than you.

[Gi-Go]

6 minutes ago, landromat said:

 You're new at the game and don't know how to deal with one thing or another and instead of getting good just complain on forums to make game easier.

Aren't you the guy who complained that fire deals damage to players? 

[Frosty_Mentos]

Just now, Gi-Go said:

Aren't you the guy who complained that fire deals damage to players? 

He's just the guy that likes arguing than making good points. If he told so I'd just say - based, and nothing needed to be argued about. KEKW

[landromat]

1 minute ago, Gi-Go said:

Aren't you the guy who complained that fire deals damage to players? 

no, i'm the guy who suggested scale mail to not burn enemies to ashes and you're the guy who's bad at reading

[00petar00]

7 minutes ago, landromat said:

that's you who calls people idiots, not me. my points are valid, you just don't want to listen to them because your game experience differs from mine. You're new at the game and don't know how to deal with one thing or another and instead of getting good just complain on forums to make game easier. 

In most situations my suggestion is to get good 

Such an aggressive reply for no reason, how are your points valid if you have to go this far and don't even use logic?

It is obvious that drying racks are terrible and they need to be buffed anyone that can use logic can come to the conclusion that there are much better options. 

People like you just want the game to be as difficult as possible and anything that balances the game in a way you don't like, you'll argue against it even when in the current situation where you don't have anything to stand on.

[landromat]

2 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

Yea I know better than you.

so how do we know that's your account?

how do we know you just never close dst for gifts?

How do we know you don't play with easy mode mods?

that screen literally means nothing.

PS also i saw a guy with 7k hours who's complete noob because he never played without easy mods like extra equip slots etc. he was soooo bad

[Frosty_Mentos]

On 3/30/2024 at 5:45 PM, landromat said:

no, i'm the guy who suggested scale mail to not burn enemies to ashes and you're the guy who's bad at reading

Good sir, if your point is "no jerky/drying racks don't need buff" then what's your actual counter argument to mine? Cause I don't remember anything from last times I posted. I know I did, but I just move for sake of telling what is bad game design in my point of view. If we're gonna circlejerk about how I misbehaved perhaps I'm more mad of you not providing proper way to explain what's the deal and it simply pissed me off. Don't do that. It's not proper arguing. Easier for me to just say that you know nothing at this point.

 

I'm the guy that posted sometimes of my big bases and storage areas I've built. I don't need to prove you anything more. Take or leave it.

I'm a ******* DST addict for all I care to say. I like the game that much. Like League of heroes enjoyers or whatever CS:walk or whatever players play their games for many many hours.

 

[Gashzer]

I know everyone in the forums hates giving a single character perks like this but Walter could get 2-3 skills that radically boost jerky's drying speed/stats.

We see Walter eat jerky during his short and hes a character that can hunt koalefants really easy for big meat and jerky provides him the perfect mix of health and sanity healing for boss fights. Assuming you are using his pinecone hat and body armour ofc.

[landromat]

29 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

People like you just want the game to be as difficult as possible and anything that balances the game in a way you don't like

exactly. people express their opinion om forum when they like something or not

 

29 minutes ago, 00petar00 said:

you'll argue against it even when in the current situation where you don't have anything to stand on.

wdym nothing? 
My points are: 

1. you get great universal food from 1 piece of meat. for 4 pieces of meat you get 80 hp, 100 hunger and 60 sanity. Just think for a moment how op is that. And you need just meat. No honey, veggies, nothing. Just slam meat on racks and you're good

2 jerky is still one of long lasting food in the game with 20 days of spoilage time AND resets meat to fresh again. Besides drying racks there is only salt which allows you to do the same

3 besides costing "a lot of resources" it's just twigs, grass and one burnt forest. It is not very hard to build 20 racks in first autumn and get stack of jerky for your needs

4 one of the best items for early ruins due to it's universal stats and slow spoilage

5 There is not much overall good food for wigfrid, so jerky is the way until you go for veggie burgers 

One thing about all your points about better options: they're harder to obtain. Jerky is early game king. Spam some grass and twigs and bam you got a lot of great food. 

What about late game - there is better options and this is fine. jerky don't need to be good in late game because it's good in early game. it's early-mid game item

[Sir Noel]

19 minutes ago, landromat said:

1. you get great universal food from 1 piece of meat. for 4 pieces of meat you get 80 hp, 100 hunger and 60 sanity. Just think for a moment how op is that

If you have some eggs you can turn that into 4 pierogis for 160 hp without having to wait for it to dry. The hunger is way worse than any crockpot dish involving meat if you simply have filler. 

The sanity is usually not great for the length required to dry, by that point just pluck flowers lol, cactus and greencaps are much better.

My opinion is that I think it's fine if you have an abundance of meat, lets it last longer. But if you are efficient with your food this won't be a problem really. It's just "okay".

[Frosty_Mentos]

10 minutes ago, landromat said:

wdym nothing? 
My points are:

After ignoring my posts of asking you to base your points. Now not acknowledging that I've played the game a lot to have faced everything together solo and neither via cheeses.

12 minutes ago, landromat said:

One thing about all your points about better options: they're harder to obtain. Jerky is early game king. Spam some grass and twigs and bam you got a lot of great food. 

What about late game - there is better options and this is fine. jerky don't need to be good in late game because it's good in early game. it's early-mid game item

My personal point it doesn't benefit me and I'm bothered by it. It's not reliable to keep and build lategame. It doesn't provide same efficiency to many other farms I make and food items I get to cook with or eat raw. I can cook up plenty of pierogi and banana shakes and they do much better in terms of healing and sanity and pierogi last practically THE SAME amount of time spoilage wise. It may cost more to make, but food is so not a problem that jerky is a problem to keep often as it is to make, wasting time than anything.

I know my game, I usually skip drying racks and keep for lategame vanity. But they bring me very little and I kinda get distracted by them than anything. You agreed with bearger bin needing to store them, why not saltbox? Why not just make dried food a lot more reliable long lasting food? It takes up more space than any cooked items, structures take a lot of space to build for each individual meat to dry.

There's no efficiency in mind when it comes to drying racks. Same as any cooked preserved foods like jam, or leafy meatloafs. They last pierogi amount of days. It's depressing at best and are not good. Compact food > smaller bits of food. Smaller bits run that gives less hunger and health out way quicker than compact food from pots.

[landromat]

1 minute ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

It's not reliable to keep and build lategame.

same with flint tools, grass suits, even log suits and a lot of stuff that becomes obsolete in late game. if you we want some super op late game reliable jerky we probably need post rift upgrade for drying racks, or even completely different item, but racks are fine for item made of grass and twigs

5 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

You agreed with bearger bin needing to store them, why not saltbox?

because jerky is definitely not a raw food. What bothers me is that warly can eat jerky in solo ds but can't in dst. I'd make it same as any crockpot dish

 

7 minutes ago, Frosty_Mentos said:

There's no efficiency in mind when it comes to drying racks. Same as any cooked preserved foods like jam, or leafy meatloafs. They last pierogi amount of days. It's depressing at best and are not good. Compact food > smaller bits of food. Smaller bits run that gives less hunger and health out way quicker than compact food from pots.

Maybe they could reduce cost a little for lesser early game twigs and grass grind, also making them a little smaller to not take so much space but that's all. That should be enough to make it more attractive in early game