Using a sail is so bad i never did it again.

[MrsBoris]

I remember when i gathered with my friend and we decided to use sails, make a true boat in dst and have fun exploring the ocean, the happiness was shortlived as even after investing a HIGH amount of recourses that sailing experience was MORE miserable than using an oar.

using 1 sail, 1 wheel and 1 anchor, during day we had to use aerial view all the time to not crash the boat and during the night getting a sail up was asking to go back to the mainland in saltwater, getting to each structure is miserably slow and turning your boat is so authentically terrible i had more fun driving a literal wheelchair. the ocean is porpusefully full of obstacles, and that should not be the case, in real sea exploration people could use big boats that took a long time to do things like turning because they could see thousands of kilometers ahead, in DST you cant see 8 tiles in front of you, its feels like driving a mustang on the autobahn with a ******* blindfold (not far from real life right?).

sailing in shipwrecked was much better because the fact you can't see things from far away is compensated by having a responsive boat, why can't klei just give us shipwrecked inspired sailing, it was so much BETTER, the sailing in dst has attended the niche of making boats able to carry structures, they made sailing in general worse because we are in an obstacle filled ocean with boats we can't rely on.

 

anyways, remember me sailing with my friend, we had 2 sails but we only used 1 since we had already crashed because even the anchor took a long time to reach the bottom of the ocean, i don't remember what we were seaching but we stood in the ocean for days, after some time having to pull down the sail, drive with terrible latency, pulling the anchor down, dodging obstacles with the oar, pulling the anchor back, and repeating that, we just stopped using the equipment and roared until we found what we wanted, and using oars was much much better.

[Mike23Ua]

Play on Xbox for 15 minutes, when you realize you don’t have an “Aerial View” you’ll understand my pains.

[Ridley]

Meanwhile here I am never using oars in modless singleplayer. What I do is keep the anchor dropped with 2 sails open. I pull the anchor up for a bit before letting go, allowing me to move in bursts of controlled speed. I don't have much problem turning because I always do it with the anchor down. Mining sea stacks so you have a straight paths from points of interests enables faster sailing.

Sailing like this still feels very clunky and I never sail to have fun. I also must always keep a few boat patches on deck in case of emergencies.

[MrsBoris]

13 minutes ago, Ridley said:

15 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Play on Xbox for 15 minutes, when you realize you don’t have an “Aerial View” you’ll understand my pains.

the clunkyness of controller dst+no mods+ the clunkyness of sailing sound terrifying...

13 minutes ago, Ridley said:

Meanwhile here I am never using oars in modless singleplayer. What I do is keep the anchor dropped with 2 sails open. I pull the anchor up for a bit before letting go, allowing me to move in bursts of controlled speed.

spending so many resources only to play edging with your boat speed sounds like the average dst sailing experience.

 

14 minutes ago, Ridley said:

Mining sea stacks so you have a straight paths from points of interests enables faster sailing.

i just hate sea stacks so much why do they exist, the rocks just fall into the sea and they take longer to mine for some reason, they are there literally to punish you for trying to sail.

[xDarkSoul18x]

39 minutes ago, Mike23Ua said:

Play on Xbox for 15 minutes, when you realize you don’t have an “Aerial View” you’ll understand my pains.

So much this. At least Solo DS is play anywhere so you can play on PC with mods.

To the OP yeah I get it 100%. I just get a bunch of shell bumpers before I do ANY significant exploration. I would like a single man boat though. I love my wooden doughnuts especially building bases on them but still! 

40 minutes ago, Ridley said:

Meanwhile here I am never using oars in modless singleplayer. What I do is keep the anchor dropped with 2 sails open. I pull the anchor up for a bit before letting go, allowing me to move in bursts of controlled speed. I don't have much problem turning because I always do it with the anchor down. Mining sea stacks so you have a straight paths from points of interests enables faster sailing.

Sailing like this still feels very clunky and I never sail to have fun. I also must always keep a few boat patches on deck in case of emergencies.

I think it is because boats are designed around multiplayer. One working the sail one working the anchor etc. Ill take a crappy raft at this rate lol 

[Dorka]

I've never had any issue with sailing with two sails, never used oars. I tend to leave them both down and just sail, if i get close to land or sea stacks i drop anchor if it's gonna be close or I Drift my boat. In my older save the Malbatross sail was way too fast, so i'd opt for two normal sails.

I also play by myself, but i have my ship setup where i can control everything within a few small spaces from one another. 

[Antynomity]

11 hours ago, Ridley said:

Meanwhile here I am never using oars in modless singleplayer. What I do is keep the anchor dropped with 2 sails open. I pull the anchor up for a bit before letting go, allowing me to move in bursts of controlled speed. I don't have much problem turning because I always do it with the anchor down. Mining sea stacks so you have a straight paths from points of interests enables faster sailing.

Sailing like this still feels very clunky and I never sail to have fun. I also must always keep a few boat patches on deck in case of emergencies.

Edgemaxxing.

[arubaro]

Only thing needed is more vision while sailing because how the camera is inclined

Other that... people comparing their lack of experience while using free hand cheap structures sailing with manually rowing

[CuteC]

Usually when I play there's one person on the steering wheel and another person making sure they do not crash (by being ready to drop the anchor), if you're by yourself though I imagine that would be quite hard to do, you can also try making shell bumpers to keep your boat safe.

[Yuuko]

I agree completely.  I have a lot of fun with the mechanics of sailing, raising and lowering the anchor and sails, using the ship's wheel to steer, and the sorta drift you get as you change directions etc.  BUT it all fails with how limited our vision is compared to our mobility restrictions, and the punishment for a mistake.  The balance is just off.  Using aerial view is so much more comfortable but I don't like using that when I am exploring b/c the extra information is kinda cheaty.  I think if they added the spyglass from Shipwrecked or gave us a crows nest mast upgrade that would let us climb the mast for an expanded view it would help a lot.

[gamehun20]

5 minutes ago, Yuuko said:

I think if they added the spyglass from Shipwrecked or gave us a crows nest mast upgrade that would let us climb the mast for an expanded view it would help a lot.

Why not both

[cybers2001]

15 minutes ago, Yuuko said:

I agree completely.  I have a lot of fun with the mechanics of sailing, raising and lowering the anchor and sails, using the ship's wheel to steer, and the sorta drift you get as you change directions etc.  BUT it all fails with how limited our vision is compared to our mobility restrictions, and the punishment for a mistake.  The balance is just off.  Using aerial view is so much more comfortable but I don't like using that when I am exploring b/c the extra information is kinda cheaty.  I think if they added the spyglass from Shipwrecked or gave us a crows nest mast upgrade that would let us climb the mast for an expanded view it would help a lot.

While I do agree with Klei about not wanting to add the shipwrecked boats, since that completely trivializes ocean traveling, I do think the complexities of sailing in DST is geared more towards multiplayer. It does allow for more players to be engaged in the experience if one is sailing, one is hoisting masts, one is providing light, fighting, etc.

Of course in practice it never goes that way. I'm either sailing alone or with people who are too intimidated about the mechanics to want to do anything at all. I did recently recall a sailing mechanic in a game that I still regard as the best implementation, though: Zelda, phantom hourglass. In that game, you chart a course on a map, and the ship sails automatically, while you're free to do other things like man cannons. I think it would be great to have something like this with DST, since we already have the nautopilots, and using the rudder or cannons might actually feel useful while we're out at sea.

[Yuuko]

22 minutes ago, cybers2001 said:

While I do agree with Klei about not wanting to add the shipwrecked boats, since that completely trivializes ocean traveling, I do think the complexities of sailing in DST is geared more towards multiplayer. It does allow for more players to be engaged in the experience if one is sailing, one is hoisting masts, one is providing light, fighting, etc.

I can see why you get that impression, but I feel sailing and rigging is entirely fine to do as a 1 person operation.  When I have multiple people on a boat the only other job that needs done is usually a cook to manage food for everyone on the trip.  Its nice when I'm sailing to not need to distract my attention to cook up dishes, call out ingredient needs, or spot schools of good fish to catch.  I think 2 people on a boat, one sailing and one cooking and managing resources is a good life.

It wouldn't be a bad idea to add more optional tasks that can be completed on boats to give more ppl something to do.  Any time I've boated with 3+ people at least 1 person got board, afk'd and starved to death (which is why a ships cook is useful lol.)  Adding stuff that is not involved in navigating, like maybe a way to capture fish and birds while the boat is on the move or if there were some task that could convert fish meat into other useful things like lamp oil and such.

[cybers2001]

The thing is, the newer additions like the boat cannon is really nice, but it is a nightmare to micro manage in a high-pressure situation, like monkey pirates charging head-on towards you. If you're sailing, you can't really stop sailing. If you're anchored, the monkeys will crash into you and put holes in your boat. If you're trying to fight with cannons, you have to make sure you're oriented in a way to be able to aim properly. Being able to fight the pirates with cannons is super rewarding, but there's too high risk of things going terribly wrong and losing a very expensive boat and more.

[MrsBoris]

4 hours ago, cybers2001 said:

While I do agree with Klei about not wanting to add the shipwrecked boats, since that completely trivializes ocean traveling, I do think the complexities of sailing in DST is geared more towards multiplayer.

it sounds pretty good on paper, dst is a multiplayer game so lets add boats that everyone can go jump on. in practice managing the boat with other players simultaneously in dst is rarely fun, sure some groups may like it, but the majority of players in multiplayer and EVERY singleplayer is left to bit the dust with big, clunky, expensive and unresponsive boats.

[Falkenpelz]

Not contributing anything helpful, but I read this as "Using a snail" and was really confused

[Zima Blue]

100% agreed, sailing is awful. If I need to sail  I just pick Woodie and use the goose form to find where I need to go and then switch to Wortox or Wanda to set teleports. I only use boats to kill CK because there's no other option. I don't even waste my time with Malbatross because he's the worst boss ever created in gaming history and his loot suck lol 

[BeeClops]

I haven't crafted a sail in like 2 years, and I constantly rush stuff like lunar/pearl/monkeys in my playthroughs. It's bad, particularly on console 

[Mike23Ua]

5 hours ago, BeeClops said:

I haven't crafted a sail in like 2 years, and I constantly rush stuff like lunar/pearl/monkeys in my playthroughs. It's bad, particularly on console 

The thing about that is… Shipwrecked boats WEREN'T bad on Console- And it wasn’t so painfully obvious that the game was built for KB + Mouse players in Mind First, with a barely working port to Controllers for Console players.

There are some functions that barely work, or worse… Do Not Work at all using a Console Controller, several things you can easily mouse over to “Inspect” and fill out your survivors journal, are significantly harder to fill in using a Console Controller.

People hate the thought of Shipwrecked Boats because they felt like “Water Shoes” to them.. and I suppose that’s valid criticisms, buttttt-

If DST had Shipwrecked Boats I would Imagine they would keep the newer steering and sailing mechanics introduced in DST.. the ADVANTAGE would be that they’re smaller boats, can fit in rivers, streams etc.. 

OH and the biggest QoL thing that would greatly benefit sailing for Console Players: Quick press Button Prompts to perform boating actions (such as D-pad Left to Raise/Lower Sail, D-pad Down to drop Anchor or raise anchor) 

I mean- As a Wendy main we have more control over ABIGAIL than we do Boat structures.

I get that Klei wanted to make multiplayer centric boats that let people on board, row, turn masts, drop anchors etc…

But not EVERYONE plays DST as a Multiplayer Game, and only having Multiplayer Centric Boats is just really really bad- Their Slow and they feel Clunky.

But of course: as long as the ocean content itself remains boring and mostly uninteresting (save for a few key areas) then I wouldn’t put a Boating QoL too high up on my wishlist.

[Frosty_Mentos]

Unless the ocean is explored I'd never use sails due to lack of vision. It's the only biggest issue imo is that no matter if the ocean is flat-ish you can't see that much beyond the few tiles you see. I say needs a change for having increased view size depending on ocean deepness.