I don't want a new character but-

[HowlVoid]

Gosh darn it I really, REALLY want a Wizard character. Maxwell is a summoner and really only has one spell-like ability and Wicker feels like- I don't know but it doesn't really feel like a wizard. More like a she's using magical relics and it feels a little bit detached from her.

One character that could still fit this role is maybe Willow when her skill tree releases.

Either way, I don't really want a new character but I really wish the archetype existed in dst. 

Anyone else want a more staff wielding caster or is there a particular archetype you wish existed? (Tamer, Archer, Monk, etc?)

[BalkanCockroach]

I don't know about monk but i wanna see our monkey man wilbur in dst. And if anyone replies saying Wonkey i say shatap.

[flamboyant wolf]

I just wanna see Winona become a proper engineer. 

[Evelo]

Willow would fit the roll of a wizard or sorceress. Given she also has a witches set of cosmetic stuffs. It suits her.

[-Variant]

24 minutes ago, Evelo said:

Willow would fit the roll of a wizard or sorceress. Given she also has a witches set of cosmetic stuffs. It suits her.

I'll bite and shoot myself in the foot here. I get that she's used in fun promotional stuff and is depicted as a Witch here and there but I think that'd be a totally lame way to go with her character! She's a woman that just happens to be immune to fire, I don't want it explained away as generic witch magic!

If anything, I'd really expect Wicker to go the witch route. She's... sorta already there, seeing as she can quite literally just bend reality to a whim with a book. And she's got an actual Witch skin. A bit disconnected, but it's there.

[Ohan]

Isnt the DnD definition of a wizard someone who attains magical powers from studying magic? (As opposed to a sorcerer who is born with magical powers)

To me wicker is a wizard. Shes not using magical relics she found somewhere, she wrote all those books and studied those topics herself. 

her character is just really cheapened and heavily undermined by the fact that maxwell can use her books too imo.

Thats why her books appear as separate from her person.  

[HowlVoid]

35 minutes ago, Ohan said:

Isnt the DnD definition of a wizard someone who attains magical powers from studying magic? (As opposed to a sorcerer who is born with magical powers)

I don't know much about the DND definition of a wizard, other than what I learned from bulder's gate. I was thinking more of the classic frontline magic slinging caster that uses a staff to cast magical bolts.

35 minutes ago, Ohan said:

To me wicker is a wizard. Shes not using magical relics she found somewhere, she wrote all those books and studied those topics herself. 

I understand she crafts the books, what I meant is she doesn't really control the effects of the books. It's more like the books have predetermined effects that occur around them in the same way a magical relic would. Not to mention most effects are environmental, like the world in the book is spewing forth, and less so like wicker has innate magical powers she can use for combat.

It's also not really told anywhere that Wicker IS MAGICAL in any form. Only that her knowledge can produce magical effects. In the same way one would produce magical charms, magic glyphs or even magical potions. But maybe the knowledge alone makes one magical, idk... The umbra seems to do that I guess.

35 minutes ago, Ohan said:

her character is just really cheapened and heavily undermined by the fact that maxwell can use her books too imo.

Thats why her books appear as separate from her person.  

I can see that, I agree but I think I was looking for something different. A character that makes great effect of the fire and ice staffs maybe. Something a little more projectile based. The game seems to be becoming a little more open to projectile type weapons so I no longer think it wouldn't fit in the game. 

[Ohan]

17 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

I don't know much about the DND definition of a wizard, other than what I learned from bulder's gate. I was thinking more of the classic frontline magic slinging caster that uses a staff to cast magical bolts.

Yeah i dont know much about dnd either but i mentioned it cuz it has influenced a lot of pop fantasy stuff i think. Pretty much all definitions of a wizard ive found describe what wickerbottom is; emphasis on knowledge, learning, books, writing spells etc as ways to do magic.

The most iconic wizard to me probably is gandalf from lotr and wicker is pretty similar; wise, old, knows a lot, a “mentor” sort of figure to others etc. 

27 minutes ago, HowlVoid said:

It's also not really told anywhere that Wicker IS MAGICAL in any form. Only that her knowledge can produce magical effects.

No definitely not, shes just an old lady librarian whos vast knowledge of things allow her to do magic in the world of the constant. 

Im not one to get into semantics/technicalities and i now know what kinda character ur imagining but i think most if not all conceptions of the wizard archetype line up with what wicker is. 

what u have in mind sounds more like a sorcerer, someone who is innately magical and can do magic without the aid of books or other trinkets. 

[Jakepeng99]

2 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

One character that could still fit this role is maybe Willow when her skill tree releases.

It should be Willow i always wanted that. I remember i made a fire caster concept with fire mana bars for each fire type for Willow but nobody peeked an eye.

[Rhovious Aran]

I would love a wizard character, someone that actually manipulates the enviroment and attacks just with pure magic & telekinesis.

I dont like the idea of Willow being a Wizard. When I think of a Wizard I think of altering space and time, not just wielding flame... that's lame

I wouldnt mind Wanda becoming more Wizard like. She is already using magic to do interdimensional travels and seems to be well versed in shadow magic. 

[Masked Koopa]

If they add a wizard they should add the battle for neighborville wizard and let him use teamup.

[Evelo]

4 hours ago, -Variant said:

I'll bite and shoot myself in the foot here. I get that she's used in fun promotional stuff and is depicted as a Witch here and there but I think that'd be a totally lame way to go with her character! She's a woman that just happens to be immune to fire, I don't want it explained away as generic witch magic!

If anything, I'd really expect Wicker to go the witch route. She's... sorta already there, seeing as she can quite literally just bend reality to a whim with a book. And she's got an actual Witch skin. A bit disconnected, but it's there.

That's totally fair. We don't know much about what Willow's deal with Maxwell was that drove her to the Constant. Assuming she even made a deal with Maxwell in that way like everyone else. She has so multiple plot threads to continue. Either way I want something with Willow's Skill Tree (I forgot what Klei officially called it, I know it isn't tree though) to involve fire. I know it will and the Fire Staff seems like something she would gravitate towards. Even if she isn't a witch just because she loves fire and well it does indeed make the fire. Even if it is something simple like double the number of uses for the Fire Staff. (Plus other fire related perks, though I would like the burn items in inventory to make a comeback. That was a really neat use of her mechanic.)

[Mike23Ua]

I’m still holding out hope that the other 6 remaining DLC characters from Solo DS make it into the game someday, and until Klei straight up says it’s never happening, I will keep hoping.

Out of those 6 DLC characters the only one that might even Sort of fit the role for a Wizard is hilariously.. Wilbur.

No I’m not joking, in the DS Lore, Wilbur was a King before he was a Monkey.. right? Now that DST has Wonkey (& the Monkey Curse) 

It tells the story of how a Former “King” could’ve ended up cursed to become Monkey.

If nothing else it sets up a story narrative in which perhaps the human version of Wilbur lost all touch with Humanity & eventually accepted being Monkey now.

I am not entirely sure what kind of skills or perks a “Wizard” should have, but I’d rather Klei continue to fine tune the existing characters and unimplemented characters, rather than New never before seen ones.

But well ya know, that’s just my opinion.

[Mr Giggio]

4 hours ago, HowlVoid said:

I don't know much about the DND definition of a wizard

That pretty much sets us for failure in the post then buddy cuz it's exactly like that

Mages get all the magic from books studying

Warlocks from a bond with the superior entities  that's gives them power

Sorcerer have natural ability born with them and that's open to even be like ease to learn from other areas but in general the common stereotype is born magical from the get go 

 

I do think both wicker and max are mages cuz they putt a lotta effort to learn their respective books and the fact max can read the wicker books as well, but he probably chosen by Umbra or had proficiency with shadows which mean sorcerer shadowmancer to be specific for Max while Wicker is more from a druid/elementalist perspective once she gets all the weather/plants/some animals perks 

[Gashzer]

A new ancient bug character is something i would love to see. It could convert into a shadow form if shadow aligned or a gestalt form if lunar aligned. 

Maybe even give it the ability to possess dead mobs in gestalt form.

[MrMNWorm]

On the topic of Willow and Wicker's skill trees...

Variant... please forgive me for what I am about to say.

I see Wickerbottom as a summoner since she can summon Tentacles, Grumble Bees, Birds, Lightning, Circles of Light, and even a Full Moon... we might even say that she can "summon" plants and crops with her gardening books. So basically it would be cool to see her get some amped up summoning/summoner books in her future Skill Tree... I have a pitch I'm working that will explain some possible options soon. Main point being Wicker is more of a summoner than a spell caster based off her current track record.

Then with Willow... I think she would really benefit from some fire spells, similar to what happened with Maxwell. V2C has already honed a new Cold Fire mechanic with the new Horror Hound attack and that seems destined for Willow in her Skill Tree. If we could also see a Magical Purple Fire spell and a Shadow Fire spell (that maybe does Planar Damage to the Lunar aligned)... I'd say now we're cooking with "fire" for Willow. She's a pyromaniac with fire resistance at the moment... and perhaps through an Isekai style transformation into The Constant, she gained fire spell casting/bending abilities.

[-Variant]

5 hours ago, MrMNWorm said:

Variant... please forgive me for what I am about to say.

I'll only settle down if, on the chance anything similar happens, it's left unexplained. Willow's fire affinity not being written off as generic magic has always been a defining character trait of her to me, it's something I dearly love about her character.

In a setting where everyone's odd quirks and perks are usually explained with magic, it stuck out that's never been a thing with Willow. I don't mind if she can ""cast"" and manipulate fires or anything in-gameplay, because seriously she needs like, literally anything right now, but I'd rather it be left vague story wise, personally. 

[Jakepeng99]

10 hours ago, Masked Koopa said:

If they add a wizard they should add the battle for neighborville wizard and let him use teamup.

I miss that game.

14 hours ago, -Variant said:

I'll bite and shoot myself in the foot here. I get that she's used in fun promotional stuff and is depicted as a Witch here and there but I think that'd be a totally lame way to go with her character! She's a woman that just happens to be immune to fire, I don't want it explained away as generic witch magic!

If anything, I'd really expect Wicker to go the witch route. She's... sorta already there, seeing as she can quite literally just bend reality to a whim with a book. And she's got an actual Witch skin. A bit disconnected, but it's there.

Witches are burned on steaks, which is ironic for Willow since she is immune so Witch fits best. I dont see what else would make her immune to fire other than magic. Steel skin?

[maradyne]

I would really like to see her able to do things with fire besides just...y'know, casting fireball and the like.
Like catching burning fires and shoving them into her lighter to refuel it, or...a wider range of explosives, since she's familiar with those? Something like that.

 

But I feel there's a sizable chance that she'll complete her transformation into Annie LeagueOfLegends.

[lenship2]

52 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Witches are burned on steaks, which is ironic for Willow since she is immune so Witch fits best.

not really ironic since witches at that time were believed to be fireproof; so they burnt people to test if they were witches or not