Renwable fossilx

[Masked Koopa]

I mean why not make normal rain regenerate stalagmites? That's more true to real-life and it means you don't have to kill FW to get the thing needed to make FW renewable.

[Evelo]

9 hours ago, landromat said:

Until exploits are fixed - yes

I believe Klei stated this was intentional and they were not going to fix it. So this moved from Exploit to Cheese.

[maradyne]

1 hour ago, Evelo said:

So this moved from Exploit to Cheese.

and occasionally something that happens at random trapping unsuspecting players in the void, but uh, feature

[Baark0]

Still don't understand why fuelweaver gear doesnt drop fossils. Bone shards make sense, but fossils should've been included as well.

[Jakepeng99]

21 hours ago, landromat said:

Allowing exploiters to create indestructible bone forts whenever they want is not a content i want  to see in the game. Changing mob pathfinding is very long awaited QOL change that will kill a lot of exploits and make game healthier, so yes im against infinite bones until exploits are fixed

I have one word which will make every single word you say invalid and send you running all the way home:

 

Statues

21 hours ago, landromat said:

you mean fossils people exploit hell out to break mob pathfinding? sure no balance reason at all

Statues are way cheaper and way more effective and easy to use... this is a bad consideration. 

[landromat]

1 hour ago, Jakepeng99 said:

I have one word which will make every single word you say invalid and send you running all the way home:

 

Statues

Statues are way cheaper and way more effective and easy to use... this is a bad consideration. 

no they aren't

[Jakepeng99]

36 minutes ago, landromat said:

no they aren't

Yes they are, people use them all the time. 1 marble/glass and 2 stone is cheap for an invincable wall. You dont need to hammer them to get past since you can pick them up and slide under.

[landromat]

23 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Yes they are, people use them all the time. 1 marble/glass and 2 stone is cheap for an invincable wall. You dont need to hammer them to get past since you can pick them up and slide under.

Nope. People use statues because bones aren't infinite. nobody will use statues if there is infinite bones (maybe one to use it as the gate to not bother with hammers as you said)

[Jakepeng99]

1 hour ago, landromat said:

Nope. People use statues because bones aren't infinite. nobody will use statues if there is infinite bones (maybe one to use it as the gate to not bother with hammers as you said)

Statues are still way easier to get than bones. Very small chance to drop from a boulder vs just using 2 rocks and marble. By the time you will get one fossil, you have enough rocks to make multiple statues. Statues look much better too and are customisable.

[landromat]

28 minutes ago, Jakepeng99 said:

Statues are still way easier to get than bones. Very small chance to drop from a boulder vs just using 2 rocks and marble. By the time you will get one fossil, you have enough rocks to make multiple statues. Statues look much better too and are customisable.

and still bones are 1 time to get, easy to transport and use. They will replace statues in a long run

[Jakepeng99]

8 minutes ago, landromat said:

and still bones are 1 time to get, easy to transport and use. They will replace statues in a long run

You dont need to move them. You set up statues maybe for a varg farm, maybe a catapult spider farm, a hound fortress, moonstone ect and never need to move them.

[Retepeter]

On 11/3/2023 at 5:57 PM, Uedo said:

Not sure the Shadow Thurible should, but i'd rather decon that than a FW helm

How would I make my healing salves if not out of Metheus' ashes?

[lenship2]

2 hours ago, landromat said:

Nope. People use statues because bones aren't infinite. nobody will use statues if there is infinite bones (maybe one to use it as the gate to not bother with hammers as you said)

the proposed method of getting bones from fuelweaver drops means you would have to kill fuelweaver multiple times to be able to make a bone fort as powerful as you make it out to be

[GuardDuty]

Why bother with renewable fossils if statues are more cost-effective and easier to use? Fossils are plentiful in the world, and you only need 8 for AFW. What reasons would there be to require more than 100 fossils in a single world?

[grm9]

6 hours ago, Dreadle said:

What reasons would there be to require more than 100 fossils in a single world?

Someone destroying the fossils on a public server, locking everyone out of doing FW, or maybe a lot of decorations, since 100 fossils is only 12 odd skeletons in the world and you might keep one of them in the atrium at all times to summon FW.

[Gashzer]

On 11/4/2023 at 12:36 PM, arubaro said:

that only you and few other users want because nobody force you 

i dont use fossils neither i fight DF with walls and i having fun with the game without thinking what other players are doing, i dont care about others life because im fine with mine

also im excited to see the next update because i know it will bring new cool stuff instead of a mayor AI change and the bugs after is implemented...

Its a coop mulitiplayer game. Of course what other people do affects you. If DST was a singleplayer game then i would understand that "nobody forces you to cheat" arguement. However if i fight dfly with a team on a public server everyone defaults to using the wall cheese. Therefore pathfinding bugs are forced on me. 

People are weakwilled and will always go for the easy path. And the people who create false challenges on DST have 5000+ hours and are beating the last bit of enjoyment they can out of the game.

Fossils are 1000x easier to carry on you and set up for pathfinding bugs compared with statues. So making them renewable is a bad idea until they fix the bugs first or simply remove collision with them.

For pc players we can spawn in more fossils in our private worlds anyway if you want more for decoration. So i dont think its a high enough priority for klei to address this issue. Console players have much bigger bugs and controller issues and general laggy issues that missin out on renewable fossils is the least of our issues.

[arubaro]

17 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Its a coop mulitiplayer game. Of course what other people do affects you. If DST was a singleplayer game then i would understand that "nobody forces you to cheat" arguement. However if i fight dfly with a team on a public server everyone defaults to using the wall cheese. Therefore pathfinding bugs are forced on me. 

People are weakwilled and will always go for the easy path. And the people who create false challenges on DST have 5000+ hours and are beating the last bit of enjoyment they can out of the game.

Fossils are 1000x easier to carry on you and set up for pathfinding bugs compared with statues. So making them renewable is a bad idea until they fix the bugs first or simply remove collision with them.

For pc players we can spawn in more fossils in our private worlds anyway if you want more for decoration. So i dont think its a high enough priority for klei to address this issue. Console players have much bigger bugs and controller issues and general laggy issues that missin out on renewable fossils is the least of our issues.

by your logic it should be a priority because you might join a server in which someone logs out with all the fossil of the server

if you don't like to play with lazy noobs dont join pubs

[Gashzer]

2 minutes ago, arubaro said:

by your logic it should be a priority because you might join a server in which someone logs out with all the fossil of the server

Thats ok. Just regen the world. Easy fix.

Public servers are not mine so anyone is free to log out with whatever they feel like. Its a communism, you dont own any base on a pub, what you own is only what you can carry in your inventory.

3 minutes ago, arubaro said:

if you don't like to play with lazy noobs dont join pubs

Ah yes its my fault for Klei not fixing bugs, sorry my bad guys ill just not play the game online ever again, im sure this is the intended gameplay experience klei had in mind for us lol

[grm9]

10 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Thats ok. Just regen the world. Easy fix.

So just throw out any progress you've done and do everything again, including the tedious parts, because someone took all fossils, which is much harder to detect within the span of a day to be able to rollback in time unlike burning the base or something of that sort. Vote to regen the world or join another server if someone is cheesing dfly with walls then.

Also, fossils aren't even related to dfly and there's hardly anything else people cheese through pathfinding usually, walls are enough for moonstone without any pathfinding abuse and seem to be the intended way to deal with the event, BQ pathfinding exploits don't include fossils (unless they were fixed at this point, which is likely with how often klei fix BQ cheeses unlike other bosses), toadstool is practically never done on public servers and even then only requires one fossil that you can take back for whatever after the fight ends if you're cheesing it by moving it with fossils, and you can still do that with anything else that can be placed that isn't fossils.

39 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

People are weakwilled

Or maybe they don't like the way things work currently. You can see a lot of people asking to rework dfly or bq or finding the entrance to the atrium on the forums, and all those three just so happen to be the things people cheese/voidwalk to find atrium most often.

[MagicalStorm]

This is giving me "something to stop Dragonfly cheese" flashbacks

 

I think having to kill Fuelweaver multiple times easily makes up for the fact you get easy to transport bone forts though??

[Gashzer]

25 minutes ago, grm9 said:

So just throw out any progress you've done and do everything again, including the tedious parts, because someone took all fossils, which is much harder to detect within the span of a day to be able to rollback in time unlike burning the base or something of that sort. Vote to regen the world or join another server if someone is cheesing dfly with walls then.

Here if a klei public server is old enough for someone to find all fossil pieces and quit with them then that server is due a reset. Dont be one of those people that try an keep a klei server going for 1000days. There is a reason klei servers fill up instantly after reset, no one enjoys playing on a world which other people have already beat every boss and done everything. 

Community controlled pubs or client pubs can simply spawn in more fossil fragments. So this is a klei pub only problem. 

25 minutes ago, grm9 said:

Or maybe they don't like the way things work currently. You can see a lot of people asking to rework dfly or bq or finding the entrance to the atrium on the forums, and all those three just so happen to be the things people cheese/voidwalk to find atrium most often.

How is the atrium hard to find? Just explore and kill a few large tentacles. How lazy are people? 

[NoodlemanNed]

On 11/4/2023 at 8:26 AM, landromat said:

Allowing exploiters to create indestructible bone forts whenever they want is not a content i want  to see in the game. Changing mob pathfinding is very long awaited QOL change that will kill a lot of exploits and make game healthier, so yes im against infinite bones until exploits are fixed

Nobody tell this individual about dreadstone pillars

[Gashzer]

2 minutes ago, NoodlemanNed said:

Nobody tell this individual about dreadstone pillars

Nobody tell this individual that you could carry 40 fossils in your backpocket for a portable invincible fort, anytime or anywhere.

Unless can you carry 40 dreadstone pillars in your backpocket? Cause that would be impressive 

[BalkanCockroach]

3 minutes ago, Gashzer said:

Nobody tell this individual that you could carry 40 fossils in your backpocket for a portable invincible fort, anytime or anywhere.

Unless can you carry 40 dreadstone pillars in your backpocket? Cause that would be impressive 

Nobody tell this individual that setting 40 fossils anywhere takes some time and isn't that trivial or practical.

Unless you can do that while getting mauled by Hounds, splumonkeys (which can squish through fossils), depthworms,  spiders, burgers, clopses. You get the idea.

 

[Maxil20]

So I’m slightly a dumb and replied to my post with a quote when I wanted to edit a minor spelling mistake, and then accidentally hid that post since I didn’t realize it merged my reply with the original post, so take two!

The reason people want renewable fossil fragments is because just about every other resource in DST is renewable, from the world itself, character crafts, or even the world settings (endless regrowth allows normal saplings/grass tufts to be renewable). The only exception to this is fossil fragments, and anenemies.

While you can use fossil fragments as a way to trap mobs and it’s an effective way of doing so, I do not see a lot of people use it for basing purposes. The reason why is fossils don’t really look the nicest for this purpose. The reason people like using sculptures for this is you have many types of sculptures you can use, while also having 3 different color variances to suit the build you want to make (I personally really like pawn sculptures for this, as they look the closest to walls when you have many of them, but rook ones are nice for this purpose too).

And yes, I know you can spawn in fossil fragments with the console, but I don’t think anyone wants to do this to get more of them. It feels cheap, and doesn’t really fix the core problem that fossils are still unrenewable.